Oklahoma City, In the Press

[gopokes88]

Or maybe it's to provide contrast to the ones who seemingly ignore the negatives like they don't exist. You're one of the worst offenders on this and reasons why you take the prize of being the only poster on here in my ignore list.

Did you just quote me and also tell me I’m on the ignore list?

[dankrutka]

By the way, the idea that posters on this board ignore problems in OKC and Oklahoma is just not true. There is absolutely no need to infuse the board with negativity in the aims of supposedly balancing things out. There's just a real difference between negative platitudes, overgeneralizations, tired stereotypes, or just obvious, widely understood issues and the type of constructive discussion that is actually helpful for addressing problems. Saying that OKC has to diversity its economy for the millionth time with adding any evidence or complaining about the Oklahoma legislature in general isn't useful.

[gopokes88]

IMO apathy is one of the reasons Oklahoma remains educationally, economically, and culturally deficient. Citizens accept poor Government even when outcomes cry for change, below average is acceptable to citizens across multiple measures of growth and prosperity. Point out the metrics and one is vilified. In my case give me something to celebrate and I will be the first to do so, but, when the State is fiscally unsound and the largest cities public school system is in shambles, politicians are criminal, and educational achievement is at the bottom, I will remain hopeful for transformational change in Oklahoma but not confident

It’s not apathy. I’m not apathetic, I do what I can.

It’s you and panda who don’t live here, but are always coming to the board to constantly tell the everyone how much OK sucks. You’re an outsider pointing out the obvious. Thanks, but it’s worthless. You don’t contribute to OK or the board in any meaningful way other than the gift of wisdom that everyone alreadys knows. “We need more economic diversification!!!” yeah thanks. Why don’t you go have a beer at Anthem? Oh you don’t live here. So not only do you point out problems, you aren’t even helpful towards fixing them. Any moron with half a brain can point out what you point out.

I do my part to help make this a great place to live, you just relentless spew negativity from afar that helps nothing.

[Celebrator]

It’s not apathy. I’m not apathetic, I do what I can.

It’s you and panda who don’t live here, but are always coming to the board to constantly tell the everyone how much OK sucks. You’re an outsider pointing out the obvious. Thanks, but it’s worthless. You don’t contribute to OK or the board in any meaningful way other than the gift of wisdom that everyone alreadys knows. “We need more economic diversification!!!” yeah thanks. Why don’t you go have a beer at Anthem? Oh you don’t live here. So not only do you point out problems, you aren’t even helpful towards fixing them. Any moron with half a brain can point out what you point out.

I do my part to help make this a great place to live, you just relentless spew negativity from afar that helps nothing.

Thank you. Tough to hear criticism lobbed from afar when we all know the challenges we face. Maybe it shouldn't, but it rubs me the wrong way, too. Most people on this board, it seems, are doing the things they can to help improve things.

[dcsooner]

If it will make you feel better, I'll post while I'm in State this week visiting family. Lol Be happy to engage in constructive conversation over a meal with anyone on this board.

[Plutonic Panda]

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[bchris02]

I think there is a difference between somebody who may have lived here, left, and doesn't retain any connections here and just wants to bitch and people who have left (perhaps because of some of the problems we discuss here) yet still retain ties here because of family or otherwise so they visit often.

[mugofbeer]

Everyone has different ways of communicating how they feel. Using a work example, there are those who see thye need for change and present constructive, positive suggestions and alternatives. Then there are others who, perhaps mean well. but dont understand how everything they say comes out as a complaint with no alternatives given. Eventually, it starts to rub people the wrong way.

[progressiveboy]

I am one who left Oklahoma City 18 years ago and moved first to Tampa Florida, and then to DFW area. I have been away for quite some time, however I still have family ties and close friends living in OKC. I do care for Oklahoma's future and especially OKC, however in some ways DC Sooner and PluPan are spot on about may of Oklahoma's shortcomings. I have posted many times that the residents of OKC and the State will determine if Oklahoma will just be OK or if it will be able to excel and surprise all of us! The motto is true for "some" with Oklahoma "Ignorance is Bliss". Here is hoping that Oklahoma will change their negative image to some of their residents but to outsiders as well!

[mugofbeer]

There is certainly room for improvement, but the point regarding the criticism is how it's done. Quality vs. quantity. Discussion vs. degradation.

[dankrutka]

I am one who left Oklahoma City 18 years ago and moved first to Tampa Florida, and then to DFW area. I have been away for quite some time, however I still have family ties and close friends living in OKC. I do care for Oklahoma's future and especially OKC, however in some ways DC Sooner and PluPan are spot on about may of Oklahoma's shortcomings. I have posted many times that the residents of OKC and the State will determine if Oklahoma will just be OK or if it will be able to excel and surprise all of us! The motto is true for "some" with Oklahoma "Ignorance is Bliss". Here is hoping that Oklahoma will change their negative image to some of their residents but to outsiders as well!

Do you think “ignorance is bliss” is a theme on *this* message board? Can you identify specific topics on which you believe this board has been ignorant and then dc or pluplan brought attention to this ignored issue? And I am not saying either poster has not contributed to the board, but I just haven’t seen them actually bring ignored issues to the board.

[Bunty]

I am one who left Oklahoma City 18 years ago and moved first to Tampa Florida, and then to DFW area. I have been away for quite some time, however I still have family ties and close friends living in OKC. I do care for Oklahoma's future and especially OKC, however in some ways DC Sooner and PluPan are spot on about may of Oklahoma's shortcomings. I have posted many times that the residents of OKC and the State will determine if Oklahoma will just be OK or if it will be able to excel and surprise all of us! The motto is true for "some" with Oklahoma "Ignorance is Bliss". Here is hoping that Oklahoma will change their negative image to some of their residents but to outsiders as well!

I think the majority of residents think Oklahoma is OK and that will be confirmed, if Oklahoma elects another Republican for governor in November. So, once again, let's bring back the Oklahoma is OK plates. They will be more visible than the current ones, which many people feel are not OK. The Oklahoma is OK plates were around for a good while. I just added a 1978 green and white one to my collection. But my favorite one will always be the one that signified OSU colors.

[bchris02]

Do you think “ignorance is bliss” is a theme on *this* message board? Can you identify specific topics on which you believe this board has been ignorant and then dc or pluplan brought attention to this ignored issue? And I am not saying either poster has not contributed to the board, but I just haven’t seen them actually bring ignored issues to the board.

My general thoughts is that a lot of stuff people complain about aren't things the general population of OKC really cares much about. OKCTalk is not a representation of the vast majority of people who live in central Oklahoma. For instance, most people probably don't give second thought to how poorly Lower Bricktown was designed nor do they realize what a wasted potential it was. They just see it as a vast improvement over what used to be down there. Things like walkable urbanism aren't things they really know or care much about. Most people are probably satisfied with BOK Park Plaza and see it as an improvement over the old dilapidated buildings it replaced. As Bunty puts it, for most people Oklahoma is OK and that is good enough for them. For some people who want to see Oklahoma be more than OK and want to see it excel, that can be rather frustrating. This is especially true for people who have moved away and/or have lived in other cities that are significantly ahead of OKC. Moving away, even if it's just temporarily, can really give a person perspective.

[dcsooner]

My general thoughts is that a lot of stuff people complain about aren't things the general population of OKC really cares much about. OKCTalk is not a representation of the vast majority of people who live in central Oklahoma. For instance, most people probably don't give second thought to how poorly Lower Bricktown was designed nor do they realize what a wasted potential it was. They just see it as a vast improvement over what used to be down there. Things like walkable urbanism aren't things they really know or care much about. Most people are probably satisfied with BOK Park Plaza and see it as an improvement over the old dilapidated buildings it replaced. As Bunty puts it, for most people Oklahoma is OK and that is good enough for them. For some people who want to see Oklahoma be more than OK and want to see it excel, that can be rather frustrating. This is especially true for people who have moved away and/or have lived in other cities that are significantly ahead of OKC. Moving away, even if it's just temporarily, can really give a person perspective.

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[PhiAlpha]

My general thoughts is that a lot of stuff people complain about aren't things the general population of OKC really cares much about. OKCTalk is not a representation of the vast majority of people who live in central Oklahoma. For instance, most people probably don't give second thought to how poorly Lower Bricktown was designed nor do they realize what a wasted potential it was. They just see it as a vast improvement over what used to be down there. Things like walkable urbanism aren't things they really know or care much about. Most people are probably satisfied with BOK Park Plaza and see it as an improvement over the old dilapidated buildings it replaced. As Bunty puts it, for most people Oklahoma is OK and that is good enough for them. For some people who want to see Oklahoma be more than OK and want to see it excel, that can be rather frustrating. This is especially true for people who have moved away and/or have lived in other cities that are significantly ahead of OKC. Moving away, even if it's just temporarily, can really give a person perspective.

While I agree with you, this just furthers Dan’s point from the post below that this board is far from ignorant to the major issues affecting OKC and Oklahoma as a whole and that the overly negative posts aren’t in anyway constructive. Also you don’t necessarily have to move away to have perspective, I think most of us here are pretty aware of what’s going on in other cities whether we’ve lived here for most of our lives or not.

By the way, the idea that posters on this board ignore problems in OKC and Oklahoma is just not true. There is absolutely no need to infuse the board with negativity in the aims of supposedly balancing things out. There's just a real difference between negative platitudes, overgeneralizations, tired stereotypes, or just obvious, widely understood issues and the type of constructive discussion that is actually helpful for addressing problems. Saying that OKC has to diversity its economy for the millionth time with adding any evidence or complaining about the Oklahoma legislature in general isn't useful.

[Jake]

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[Jake]

Another fun little article from Dallas:

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[PhiAlpha]

Another fun little article from Dallas:

https://www.dmagazine.com/arts-enter...risingly-punk/

Don’t let those articles fool you though. The legislature, schools, unsubstantiated lack of economic diversification and overly religious people all suck rendering the city and state with no redeeming value...why would anyone want to come here.

[stjohn]

While I agree with you, this just furthers Dan’s point from the post below that this board is far from ignorant to the major issues affecting OKC and Oklahoma as a whole and that the overly negative posts aren’t in anyway constructive. Also you don’t necessarily have to move away to have perspective, I think most of us here are pretty aware of what’s going on in other cities whether we’ve lived here for most of our lives or not.

There are many posters here on the opposite side, who gloss over issues or see things as sunnier than they are. Some of them are very influential posters. The two have to balance out. Personally, for all of the griping about negative posts, there's no real downside to keeping our shortcomings top of mind (other than "gosh! I'm tired of hearing that!"), whereas on the other hand, there is major downside to downplaying real problems.

As stated, PLENTY of OKC's general population is unengaged and apathetic on these issues. If this board is the most concerned populace, what good is it for us to downplay these things too?

[jonny d]

There are many posters here on the opposite side, who gloss over issues or see things as sunnier than they are. Some of them are very influential posters. The two have to balance out. Personally, for all of the griping about negative posts, there's no real downside to keeping our shortcomings top of mind (other than "gosh! I'm tired of hearing that!"), whereas on the other hand, there is major downside to downplaying real problems.

As stated, PLENTY of OKC's general population is unengaged and apathetic on these issues. If this board is the most concerned populace, what good is it for us to downplay these things too?

Yes, there needs to be a balance. Unfortunately, those who are negative are ALL NEGATIVE! As if there is not 1 good thing about this city. There are problems, yes. And OKC should not ignore them. But it is not all doom and gloom, and death to all non-Christians, as some on here would want you to believe.

[stjohn]

I don't have an issue with that. Some people are also all positive. The balance of the two paints an accurate picture, which is somewhere in between. We shouldn't be shouting down either side.

[bchris02]

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[Bunty]

Don’t let those articles fool you though. The legislature, schools, unsubstantiated lack of economic diversification and overly religious people all suck rendering the city and state with no redeeming value...why would anyone want to come here.

Why would anyone want to come here? Tongue in cheek or not, to come and see to believe for themselves the weird stores that come out of Oklahoma. Remember the judge who got in trouble for masturbating while holding court? Or the woman who sat nearly nude at the airport to protest security regulations? It's not just for the insane politics at the State Capitol.

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