Here are the two KTOK interviews, Swinton first, Shadid second. Since some of Shadid's comments are responsive to what Swinton had said, it would be best to listen to them in the same sequence.
Here are the two KTOK interviews, Swinton first, Shadid second. Since some of Shadid's comments are responsive to what Swinton had said, it would be best to listen to them in the same sequence.
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