mheaton. I'm sorry if my suggestions did not set well with you as I was only trying to get to the urban human density you seek. As to beating a dead horse I can assure you I feel the same frustation. I would like to ask two more questions concerning the pictures you recently posted. Do you know an area in downtown OKC where those scenes depicted could easily and quickly be replicated? If Sandridge drops their proposal and does nothing with the properties like Kerr McGee did for the last - I do not know how many years, will OKC urbanists feel they accomplished something by opposing those plans?