CFB Top 25 Rankings - Week 6

[venture]

Updated polls are starting to come out...AP isn't out just yet.

Coaches Poll
1 Oklahoma
2 LSU
3 Alabama
4 Wisconsin
5 Stanford
6 Boise State
7 Oklahoma State
8 Clemson
9 Oregon
10 Michigan
11 Arkansas
12 Georgia Tech
13 South Carolina
14 Nebraska
15 Illinois
16 West Virginia
17 Virginia Tech
18 Kansas State
19 Michigan State
20 Arizona State
21 Texas
22 Houston
23 Texas A&M
24 Baylor
25 Penn State

Others Receiving Votes: Florida(4-2) 72; Washington(4-1) 52; North Carolina(5-1) 43; Auburn(4-2) 33; Notre Dame(4-2) 31; South Florida(4-1) 30; Wake Forest(4-1) 22; Georgia(4-2) 15; Southern Methodist(4-1) 11; Texas Tech(4-1) 9; Rutgers(4-1) 8; Southern Mississippi(5-1) 7; TCU(4-2) 4; Hawaii(3-2) 1

[MDot]

What time does the AP normally come out?

[venture]

One BCS computer is out so far, the Sagarin poll. OU has moved up from 6th to 3rd. - http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm

We'll probably see continued weakness in the computers until the rest of the schedule fills out. We win out, we go to New Orleans. However, as of right now we've only played 1 Top 30 team (by Sagarin's rankings) compared to LSU and Alabama which have played 3. Florida State has fallen to 51st in the Sagarin ranking, so they don't count as much anymore.

[venture]

What time does the AP normally come out?

Should be at any time.

[dave1983]

New AP Poll is out (October 9, 2011):

1. LSU (40 1st Place votes)
2. Alabama (10 1st Place votes)
3. Oklahoma (8 1st Place votes)
4. Wisconsin
5. Boise State (1 1st Place vote)
6. Oklahoma State
7. Stanford
8. Clemson
9. Oregon
10. Arkansas
11. Michigan
12. Georgia Tech
13. West Virginia
14. Nebraska
15. South Carolina
16. Illinois
17. Kansas State
18. Arizona State
19. Virginia Tech
20. Baylor
21. Texas A&M
22. Texas
23. Michigan State
24. Auburn
25. Houston

Others Receiving Votes:
Florida 86, Washington 71, Notre Dame 64, Georgia 61, Penn State 22, USC 17, North Carolina 13, South Florida 11, Wake Forest 7, Southern Miss 4, SMU 3, Texas Tech 2, Cincinnati 1

[venture]

OU probably won't jump either LSU or Bama until they play each other in November.

[betts]

Boise State probably got that first place vote from a sportswriter in Idaho. I'd love to see Boise play LSU or Alabama in a BCS bowl. I think they caught a lackadaisical OU by surprise, but I'm not sure that would be the case again.

[MDot]

The only reason OU didn't fall to #4 is cause Wisconsin didn't play.

[MikeOKC]

Boise State probably got that first place vote from a sportswriter in Idaho. I'd love to see Boise play LSU or Alabama in a BCS bowl. I think they caught a lackadaisical OU by surprise, but I'm not sure that would be the case again.

What do they have to do? They are 63-5 over the past 5 seasons. They beat Georgia on the road a few weeks ago. Beating any SEC team on the road is never easy. Their QB is a top contender for the Heisman, he's 3 games away from being the winningest Quarterback in NCAA history. Year before last they played a great TCU team in the Fiesta Bowl - finished the season at 14-0, many thought thehy deserved the national title -- and still there are naysayers. Boise State just says, "Bring 'em on!"

By the way, that nationally televised Boise State-Georgia game shocked me with an incredibly racist comment. When Kellen Moore's photo was shown on the screen with his stats, etc., one of the commentators said, "Look at him - he looks like he walked out of 'Leave It To Beaver" and they both laughed. Yeah. Because the kid isn't black with 50 tattoos and dreadlocks he is made to sound like some putz. Incredibly insensitive and racist. Can you imagine someone on ESPN, when OU's Kenny Stills pic is on the screen, saying, "He looks like someone out of MSNBC's 'Lockup'?

[venture]

What do they have to do? They are 63-5 over the past 5 seasons. They beat Georgia on the road a few weeks ago. Beating any SEC team on the road is never easy. Their QB is a top contender for the Heisman, he's 3 games away from being the winningest Quarterback in NCAA history. Year before last they played a great TCU team in the Fiesta Bowl - finished the season at 14-0, many thought thehy deserved the national title -- and still there are naysayers. Boise State just says, "Bring 'em on!"

It is the typical elitist attitude that we complain about other schools/conferences having. Boise State has done everything they can to get where they are. Their only negative is being stuck in a mid major conference...yet they've gone to what 2 or 3 BCS bowls so far? Say what you will about them, but they are fun to watch and win on the field. They will be in another BCS bowl this year...and likely won't have another mid major to go against. What is going to be said when they beat an AQ school?

[MDot]

Boise State is a great team. Now we're happy.

I'm actually a little surprised OSU didn't move spots. I figured they might have a chance to jump Boise State or Wisconsin fall to #6 and OSU move to #5. But it's no big deal, I'm just sayin.

[bluedogok]

Put Boise in a major conference and they don't have the same win percentage because right now no one in their conference is good enough to challenge them and it is much easier to only have to get up for a game or two a season and a bowl game with 5 weeks to prepare for your opponent. They go into every one of those BCS games with an attitude that they have nothing to lose, because they don't, if they lose they were supposed to lose. When you have week after week of that you can't pull it off all the time. In the Big 12 I do think they would be one of the better teams but as we have seen in most years teams lose games you don't think they would because there are typically good teams that can beat you, especially when you go on the road and everything doesn't fall right. Their win over OU came against arguably the worst OU team under Stoops up to that point since the 99 season with a converted wide receiver as the QB. OU wouldn't have been in the Fiesta Bowl without every other team in the South crapping their bed and screwing up their path the B12CCG.

There is no doubt they have done a tremendous job and have done what they had to do but I still don't think they are at the same level because they don't have to face the same level of competition week in and week out like most schools in the Big 12, SEC, Big 10 or Pac 12 have to face. When you look at the WAC and what will be the new MWC most of those teams they face would be bottom feeders in most the BCS conferences making teams like KU this season look decent.

[venture]

Don't disagree Bluedog. Each team has to start somewhere though and eventually take the opportunity (or be given it) to move up. I look at teams that moved out of Mid Majors, or at least just around to other Mid Majors. Central Florida was dominate in the MAC one season, announced they were leaving and had a horrible final season in the MAC. Since they left they have been very sub par. Marshall much the same thing with them. They were dominate in the MAC for several years and then left and fell apart. Sometimes I think schools look for the better and brighter and end up killing themselves simply because the culture of their new conference doesn't fit or they were overvalued.

I agree BSU in the Big 12 would probably be on par to say Texas Tech most seasons. They would win their 8 or 9 games, lose to at least one of OU/OSU/TX and go to a nice bowl game.

[venture]

Harris Poll - This is the other human component to the BCS.

Rank - School - Record - Points - Previous (ending of last season in this case)
1 LSU (71) 6-0 2813 11
2 Alabama (17) 6-0 2728 16
3 Oklahoma (24) 5-0 2714 9
4 Wisconsin (1) 5-0 2432 4
5 Boise State (1) 5-0 2353 10
6 Oklahoma State 5-0 2300 15
7 Stanford (1) 5-0 2297 5
8 Clemson 6-0 2090 NR
9 Oregon 4-1 1898 2
10 Michigan 6-0 1723 NR
11 Arkansas 5-1 1691 8
12 Georgia Tech 6-0 1621 NR
13 Nebraska 5-1 1292 17
14 Illinois 6-0 1255 NR
15 South Carolina 5-1 1195 20
16 West Virginia 5-1 1121 21
17 Kansas State 5-0 1018 NR
18 Virginia Tech 5-1 945 12
19 Arizona State 5-1 731 NR
20 Texas 4-1 562 NR
21 Baylor 4-1 560 NR
22 Michigan State 4-1 495 7
23 Texas A&M 3-2 346 18
24 Houston 6-0 274 NR
25 Florida 4-2 206 NR

Others receiving votes: Auburn 192, South Florida 89, Penn State 88, Notre Dame 87, Washington 67, Wake Forest 40, North Carolina 33, Georgia 32, Southern Methodist 30, Texas Tech 19, TCU 15, Rutgers 10, Cincinnati 8, Louisiana-Lafayette 2, Southern Miss 2, Florida State 1,

[Just the facts]

Top 9 Reason Boise St is 63-5 over the last 5 years.

1) Toledo
2) Nevada
3) Freson St
4) Colorado St
5) Air Force
6) UNLV
7) San Diego
8) Wyoming
9) New Mexico

[MDot]

Air Force can be good when they want to be.

[venture]

Air Force can be good when they want to be.

Any one of those teams can be good when they want to be. Toledo is where I believe former OSU Def Coordinator went to take over. They normally give the AQ schools a battle. Nevada is back and forth, but had a really good season recently. Fresno use to be another Boise but has just collapsed. Colorado State isn't horrible. Air Force, like MDot said can be really good when they want. The last 4...yeah nothing memorable coming from them.

[MDot]

Toledo gave Ohio State a run at the beginning of the season but ultimately lost 27-22. Even though Ohio State is having one of their worst seasons, a win over Ohio State would have given them so much confidence and may have had more of a chance at beating Boise State this season, probably not though.

[venture]

Yeah that was rough on them. Being from that region originally I always root for MAC schools, especially over the Big Ten. Finally getting OSU at Ohio Stadium would have been great for them, even though OSU sucks this year. It is kinda like beating Michigan a couple years back at the Big House. More of a moral/mental victory if anything since those players were passed over by the Big Ten schools.

[Just the facts]

The point is I can pick 30 teams that given the exact same schedule as Boise St could also go 63-5, and probably better. Over the last 4 years Alabama has gone 40-5. Does anyone think for a second that Boise St would go 40-5 playing the exact same schedule Alabama has played over the last 4 years?

[venture]

The point is I can pick 30 teams that given the exact same schedule as Boise St could also go 63-5, and probably better. Over the last 4 years Alabama has gone 40-5. Does anyone think for a second that Boise St would go 40-5 playing the exact same schedule Alabama has played over the last 4 years?

Yeah I see what you are saying. We also have to look at the fact that some of the mid majors have some really good schools that when given the chance to step up can improve even more. Will they go unbeaten in the Big 12 their first year? Doubtful. It may take a few years to get things together to go for a conference title and such. Well unless they are stuck in the North. LOL

[betts]

I suspect it will take more than a few years. Of course, we don't even have a conference title game anymore. Who has won conference titles since the inception of the Big Twelve? It's not a situation where everyone eventually wins one, much less a few. Maybe over a 50 year period, but I suspect TCU is more hopeful than certain. But in the meantime, they're in a league with a lot more gravitas than their previous leagues, even if considered only the third or fourth best league. And, if they should get lucky and win, they've got an automatic BCS bid.

[MDot]

What gets on my nerves is Alabama beat Florida 38-10 to leap frog Oklahoma to #2 in the nation. No biggy. Oklahoma dismantles Texas 55-17 and they say Texas was overrated, which I believe, and OU stays #3. My only complaint is, Florida was overrated as well? I mean it's whatever now, but why call Texas overrated when Florida is just as bad.

[venture]

BCS Rankings are updated...we finally got some love in the computers.

Final component rankings for the week...
- Coaches: 1
- Harris: 3
- AH: 1
- CM: 2
- JS: 3
- KM: 3
- RB: 3

Comp Average: 2

2011 BCS STANDINGS (SIMULATED) - WEEK 6
Bold = Big 12 schools (including TCU), Red = Schools OU has already played

Rank Team BCS Conf
1 Alabama 0.9591 SEC
2 Oklahoma 0.9487 B12
3 LSU 0.9446 SEC
4 Oklahoma State 0.8206 B12
5 Boise State 0.8006 MWC
6 Wisconsin 0.7431 B10
7 Clemson 0.742 ACC
8 Stanford 0.6847 P12
9 Michigan 0.5878 B10
10 Arkansas 0.5496 SEC
11 Georgia Tech 0.5399 ACC
12 Illinois 0.4988 B10
13 Oregon 0.4783 P12
14 Kansas State 0.4358 B12
15 South Carolina 0.3918 SEC
16 Nebraska 0.3681 B10
17 Virginia Tech 0.3011 ACC
18 Texas 0.2601 B12
19 West Virginia 0.2593 East
20 Arizona State 0.2589 P12
21 Baylor 0.1734 B12
22 Michigan State 0.1548 B10
23 Houston 0.1336 CUSA
24 Texas A&M 0.1082 B12
25 Auburn 0.0831 SEC
26 Penn State 0.0809 B10
27 North Carolina 0.0802 ACC
28 Florida 0.0535 SEC
29 Notre Dame 0.0204 Ind
30 Washington 0.0195 P12
31 South Florida 0.0171 East
32 Rutgers 0.013 East
33 Wake Forest 0.0096 ACC
34 Georgia 0.0071 SEC
35 SMU 0.006 CUSA
36 Texas Tech 0.0042 B12
37 TCU 0.0026 MWC
38 Southern Miss 0.0018 CUSA
39 Cincinnati 0.0009 East
40 UL-Lafayette 0.0002 Sun
41 Hawaii 0.0002 WAC
42 Florida State 0.0001 ACC

[MDot]

The only surprise for me is it's Alabama at #1 and not LSU.