Gay marriage ban in California

[Midtowner]

I'm actually for a serious rollback on our "War on Drugs" which has been an abject failure and cost us countless lives and tax dollars... But that's another thread.

The difference between homosexuality and incest, bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia is that homosexuality (when practiced within the confines of what a normal heterosexual relationship works) is between two consenting adults. Incest is different because children who are the products of incestuous relationships often suffer from birth defects, something that is unfair to them. Actually, the potential damage to society from homosexual relationships is far less than the risk to society when heterosexual relations occur -- homosexual relationships cannot produce unwanted children.

Also, your term "lifestyle" is incorrect, and as nurfe stated is offensive to many gay people. It is not a "lifestyle" as there are both homosexual and heterosexual individuals out there that are overly promiscuous. To say that one is worse than the other is trying to do God's job and compare the grieviousness of sins.

I agree with you that sexuality has no place being advocated one way or the other by the government. They should allow families, churches, social groups to do that. People are smart enough to figure out what truth about the matter that they like the most. When the government starts to favor one over the other, they are co-opting someone else's agenda. I don't believe that's the government's place.

I don't hate people who choose this lifestyle. I treat everyone how they treat me regardless of race, sex, or sexuality.

I do find this statement to be curious in light of your comparison of this "lifestyle" to incest, bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia. Would you treat a known necrophiliac the same as anyone else? How about a pedophile?

You can quote Constitution, The LA Times, The New York Times or Jesus himself. I'm not changing my point of view. Certain things are illegal for the reason of protecting society from moral decline. In my eyes legalizing homosexual marriage would be about as senseless as legalizing the use and abuse of all drugs.

One man's "moral decline" is another man's progress. The Constitution mediates between those ideas in our society. It makes certain that neither is able to gain absolute momentum. That's what has kept our Republic free for so many years. That's what tries to keep either group from having their way in forcing their morals onto the other group.

[nurfe75]

Once more, as when someone finally admitted that he "doesn't care what the constitution says, " the outright hostility of the Christian "right" makes itself known.

I'm glad you think a monogomous relationship between me and another adult male is right on par with molesting kids. And I'm glad you state the case so proudly. It only serves to show the middle-of-the-road folk how ridiculous your point of view is.

Keep up the rants, my friend; your arguments are working for the other side!

[nurfe75]

This is exactly why I will continue to support the efforts of people like Fred Phelps (you know, the wacko who holds up signs like "God Hates ***s" at the funerals of known homosexuals). Aside from the fact that--as a Libertarian--I will fight for freedom of speech in ALL cases (not just those i agree with) and the fact that he and his group of wackos have the right to picket wherever they want, extreme groups like that serve an important purpose.

Every time someone who rides the fence sees a guy like Fred Phelps hold up a "God Hates ***s" sign. Every time an undecided voter hears a so-called Christian equate same sex adult couples with child molesters. Every time a moderate sees someone make the statement that they "don't care what the constitution says."

Each one of these things brings another vote to my side. And I'm grateful for it.