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    I know we've discussed this various times, but here's a new Lackmeyer article on the subject.



    OU architects see new center anchoring Core-to-Shore development
    By Steve Lackmeyer
    The Oklahoman

    Forget about simply making a new convention center “iconic.”
    College students studying to become tomorrow’s architects say Oklahoma City should set its sights high as it begins to consider a new convention center as part of planning for “Core to Shore.”

    Brent Gathright, Kim Monroe and Kyung Namgoong, all fifth-year architecture students at the University of Oklahoma, spent their past year designing proposals for what they all agree will be an important anchor of the blighted area between Reno Avenue, Shields Boulevard and the Oklahoma River.

    While the timing for a MAPS III has been delayed due to improvements at Ford Center, Mayor Mick Cornett and leaders at the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber say a convention center is the next priority for the city.

    A final report on “Core to Shore,” meanwhile, suggests the best location for a new convention center should be just south of Ford Center adjoining a new boulevard that will replace the current alignment of the Interstate 40 Crosstown Expressway.

    “It’s at the top of the scheme of things with Core to Shore,” agreed Gathright. “It’s a foundation for the whole development because of what it can do for the whole boulevard, which will be finished before you know it.”

    The students agree that ideally, the current Cox Convention Center site, north of Ford Center, is best situated for downtown’s existing hotels. But they say it’s a site that is no longer adequate if the city wants to grow its convention business.

    “With what Oklahoma City needs, it just won’t fit there,” Gathright said. “There isn’t enough space. And another problem with that site is the space for loading docks. You take up so much of the street frontage with what should be a very pedestrian friendly part of downtown.”

    With the site south of Ford Center, the loading docks could be located along Shields Boulevard, preserving the new boulevard as a pedestrian corridor.

    Gathright’s plans call for that new corridor to be more than a place for out-of-towners. His designs call for retail all along the first floor of the convention center facing the boulevard. With ample curbside parking on the new boulevard and 1,000 parking spaces in the complex itself, he sees no problem making the convention center a 24/7 attraction with or without visitors.

    “We could fill the street up with people even when there isn’t (anything) going on,” Gathright said. “You visit convention centers now and it’s almost a dead zone sometimes because of the lack of retail.”

    Monroe, meanwhile, sees a new convention center as an opportunity to battle old stereotypes of Oklahoma. She noted a front page story in the New York Times last week, while complimentary of the city’s development of the Oklahoma River, still managed to start off with references to the Dust Bowl and the ‘Grapes of Wrath.’

    “It’s burned in everybody’s mind, that ‘Grapes of Wrath’ image,” Monroe said. “A convention center is a great opportunity to change that — it can draw so many visitors.”

    Monroe’s plans directly challenge those stereotypes by creating a roofline that will funnel rainwater into an interior courtyard. Glass bridges will then connect to the sunken courtyard.

    “It would be lush with an ivy screen that stretches from the bottom of the courtyard to the top of the roof,” Monroe said. “We would be encouraging images that are opposite of stereotypical Dust Bowl Oklahoma.”

    Namgoong, meanwhile, pursued another set of imagery, drawing her inspiration from the city’s diverse terrain.

    “Oklahoma has a very diverse topography,” she said. “So I applied this topography to the convention center ... it would create memories to come back for tourists and the businessmen visiting. I see it like an art museum – as a traveler, I can go back and see their ideas, their culture, their community.”

    Professor Hans Butzer, who designed the Oklahoma City National Memorial, said Core to Shore was a good exercise for his students, who also looked at arena designs, an intermodal transportation hub and housing. He recalled that previous classes provided early glimpses of how Bricktown and Deep Deuce might evolve after the passage of the original Metropolitan Area Projects.

    “The fact Core to Shore has a master plan recently issued, but also continuing to evolve, is the perfect backdrop for these students and their education,” Butzer said. “It teaches that things like Core to Shore are living documents. This is real life. You put things out that make good sense, but as you put them out, other items come out that make sense as well. You play leap frog with ideas as they are evolving.”

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    I wish we had pics of their designs.

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    So I can poop on them!

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    I will post them on my blog shortly

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    Here's one:


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    Pete, that was my favorite rendering, I call it the "iceburg". Now that would turn some heads for OKC!!!!!

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    Amateur, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuatrodeMayo View Post
    Amateur, IMO.
    Hardly Amateurish, although from what I can see it does it does not look big enough. I HOPE we are talking here about a really large facility that could take any size of convention. If OKC could swing it, we should consider a Calatrava-designed convention center. Gehry would be good as well, but, frankly he has almost become too cliché.

    After this facility is online, the perimeter of Cox center should be canibalized and turned into retail/hotel facilities. I proposed this for the Maps III plan. Think there are royalties involved?

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    sheesh, at first glance I thought it was a cruise ship ( the stairs) running into an Iceberg! lol

    I hate this.
    " You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

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    I like it..its different and it would be unique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karried View Post
    sheesh, at first glance I thought it was a cruise ship ( the stairs) running into an Iceberg! lol

    I hate this.
    Let's free our minds OKC! Otherwise we derserve the moniker of dust bowl capital! Iceberg maybe, but how did Gehry's museum in Bilbao come over at first? Shocking, and then amazing, and then.... icon!

    Why not a Syndney Opera House or a Calatrava Aquarium in Valencia? OKC used to have some really innovative architecture. Think the Goff House or the Stage Center, (old Mummer's Theatre). If we REALLY want to be world class, we have to be prepared to take some architectural risks.

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    There were three designs pictured in paper, the first one you've seen in previous post. One of the other two was pretty plain, looks like a warehouse. The third one is a little more modern, kinda like the CHK boathouse.

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    Here is the link to the story:

    [URL="http://newsok.com/ou-architects-see-new-center-anchoring-core-to-shore-development/article/3237321/?tm=1209642520[/URL]

    They have a link to each of the students design, but no picture comes up. Don't know if it's just me, but you might try.

    Sorry, can't seem to get the link to work.

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    Let's free our minds OKC!
    My mind is free.

    I still don't like it .... it looks ridiculous... but that's just my opinion.
    " You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

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    You go to newsok.com and go to the business section.

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    In my opinion it looks AWESOME!

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    " You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

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    Amateurish not because it is crazy, but because it is poorly designed. Like a 1st or 2nd year student designed it.


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    I don't think we really have to look to the venacular for a convention center. It could indeed be interesting if done well and with local materials, but my greatest fear is that it would be some cozy suburban style box with "classic" columns and forest green porticos!

    An expanded form of the new Native American Museum in Washington D.C. could be a direction we would want to go for an OKC convention center. Maybe a Gehry-type structure covered in local red sandstone instead of titanium?

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    Luckily, these students will not be designing the real deal.

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    Wouldn't be so sure of that. We are talking a couple of years in the future. Besides, let's make use of their talent and ideas for something that really works for OKC!

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    The design by Monroe, IMO is the best start for a possible new convention center. The ice cube and the warehouse don't trip my switch.

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    I still must be missing something. I can click to the article, but can't find any link to the actual renderings.

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    For all you complainers of the "iceberg concept", go to the OKC Central blog and check out the rest of the concepts.

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