Newsom/Christian murders

[MadMonk]

This is beyond all comprehension. Makes you wonder about people in this country/world.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian

[Tim]

Horrific. Even a bleeding heart liberal like me has to reconsider my position on the death penalty.

[Easy180]

Let me go one further...Torture for years on end sounds pretty reasonable to me

[jbrown84]

And people are basically good at heart, right Tim?

[kmf563]

This is absolutely horrific.

Glad to see I'm not the only one that uses snopes, btw! I love that site.

[PUGalicious]

This is beyond all comprehension. Makes you wonder about people in this country/world.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Murders of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian

I agree. This is beyond all comprehension. Leaves me sick to my stomach.

[Tim]

he's dredging up posts from another thread. And yes, jbrown, I believe people are inherently good. For a guy who claims to be a Christian you sure are angry!

[PUGalicious]

And people are basically good at heart, right Tim?

Did he say that, jbrown? I didn't see that anywhere in his post. Is this just another unprovoked preemptive attack?

[jbrown84]

He said it in the "Does Hell Exist" thread.

[PUGalicious]

*******

[jbrown84]

Where did I display anger? I'm just using this to back up my argument from the other thread.

[Tim]

It sounded like an attack to me, but I could be wrong. Anybody?

[Easy180]

Well I guess those guys could just use the Satan made me do it defense...Not sure why that isn't a valid defense in our Christian society...Should someone even be punished if they simply couldn't withstand the sheer power of Satan?

[Tim]

Oooohhh...I like it! I'm gonna try that one on my wife next time I do something stupid!

[PUGalicious]

It sounded like an attack to me, but I could be wrong. Anybody?

That was my initial impression as well, which is why I said something. Now that I look at the other thread and re-read the comments here, I stand by my original objection.

[jbrown84]

I never said anything about Satan.

Human nature.

[jbrown84]

I also never said it was an excuse. Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Easy180]

Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth jbrown..That's why I didn't quote you

Just wonder why that can't be a valid defense for these guys since Satan obviously had to be involved in...Or is that only in certain instances?

[SoonerDave]

Did not sound like an attack to me. Sounded like an effective counterpunch to a previously offered argument.

Keep in mind that the same hideous, incomprehensible evil that manifested itself in this circumstance is the same one that overtook Cho at Virginia Tech, McVeigh in OKC, the murderers at Columbine....

Rest assured that some sociopathic attorney will defend these monsters, and try to explain away their evil in light of a "terrible childhood" or a "psychological problem." That's all it takes these days.

And no, we are absolutely not all "good at heart." That's because the heart of man is fundamentally corrupt and unable to comprehend "good." And just between you, me, and the grand piano, our mutual definition of "good" is really just nothing more than being better than the "least bad" we see anywhere else.

When we combine that into a single definition, being "good" doesn't mean a thing. That's why saying "people are good" is a hideous, misguided trap.

-soonerdave

[jbrown84]

Did not sound like an attack to me. Sounded like an effective counterpunch to a previously offered argument.

Keep in mind that the same hideous, incomprehensible evil that manifested itself in this circumstance is the same one that overtook Cho at Virginia Tech, McVeigh in OKC, the murderers at Columbine....

Rest assured that some sociopathic attorney will defend these monsters, and try to explain away their evil in light of a "terrible childhood" or a "psychological problem." That's all it takes these days.

And no, we are absolutely not all "good at heart." That's because the heart of man is fundamentally corrupt and unable to comprehend "good." And just between you, me, and the grand piano, our mutual definition of "good" is really just nothing more than being better than the "least bad" we see anywhere else.

When we combine that into a single definition, being "good" doesn't mean a thing. That's why saying "people are good" is a hideous, misguided trap.

-soonerdave

Well said Dave.


I did not mean to take this off topic, although this is a lot closer to topic than a lot of threads.


When you do something bad, like lie to your boss or say something rude to a coworker, is it because of the way your momma raised you or is it an instinctive move of self-preservation?

[MadMonk]

There's no way that I can equate what these animals did to "human nature". There are - obviously - evil people in the world, but I don't think people are generally evil by nature. I think ones upbringing has a lot more to do with it.

Since we are dragging other threads into this one. I wonder if it would have made any difference if one or both of these two poor kids had a concealed weapon? They may have died anyway, but it would seem to be better to go down fighting than to just meekly submit and put your fate into the hands of animals.

[PUGalicious]

Nice try. Not gonna take the bait.

[Tim]

Sorry Monk, I'm not gonna bite either. I already feel bad about helping jbrown hijack your thread!

[writerranger]

What's sad is Snopes had to be the reference point for this story. It is so little-known that people don't know if it's an urban legend or not. Sad. But, to report is as it should be would be called "racist." The point of the email that circulated with this story is, to me, valid on all counts. Had it been reversed and a nice, young black couple were out on a dinner date and four white men and a white woman committed these horrific crimes, there is no question it would have been headline news and yes, Reverend Al and Jesse would have been calling for new laws to protect minorities from hate crimes. The simple fact is, and I know this is not politically correct, BUT, white people are victims of black perps in such numbers, that it simply isn't news; it couldn't be or there would be nothing left to report. I refer any and all skeptics to the "Color of Crime" report, which has been discussed before in this forum. It is accurate and it is the truth. We, as a nation, cannot deal with problems unless we are willing to honestly discuss them.

By the way, I found a place where the report, linked to above, can be viewed online in "Flash Paper" or in HTML. It can also be downloaded as a .pdf, .txt .doc or even listened to as an mp3 (text to speech, but it works). I encourage everyone to read at least the first few summary pages.

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[MadMonk]

Nice try. Not gonna take the bait.

Sorry Monk, I'm not gonna bite either. I already feel bad about helping jbrown hijack your thread!

Meh, we'll save it for another day (or another hijacked thread).