No Indictment in Staten Island Officer-involved Death

[Tigerguy]

Something you may or may not have heard about what with all of the Ferguson stuff floating around.

NYPD cop in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted - NY Daily News

An interesting angle to this one: there's video of the incident. Now, there's no question that Mr. Garner resisted arrest. There's also no question that the officer performed a disallowed maneuver on the suspect. See the video, and you be the judge...

[bradh]

to me this is more messed up than the Ferguson deal.

[Jersey Boss]

Capital punishment for resisting arrest and selling loose cigarettes.

[Plutonic Panda]

I agreed with the decision in the Ferguson case. I disagree with this.

[kelroy55]

This surprises me. I would have thought there would be one.

[Filthy]

Hate to sound like a broken record........but "Play stupid games...win stupid prizes."

If you are in the act of doing something, illegal or not.....and an officer of the law tells you to stop, or requires you to give them your undivided attention... Then you better stop right where your at, shut your bitch lips, and do what he/she asks you to do. At that point in time, your only responses should be yes sir, or no sir, and cooperate in any way possible. In all of the (Officer involved deaths) over the years, it would be safe to say that 99% of them are caused by the suspect/individual in question not cooperating. Now, I am smart enough to realize, that just by not cooperating, or giving an officer a hard time, that it does not give an officer the green light to shoot you. But, I do believe that once you decide that you are not going to cooperate...that all bets are off in regards to you being treated "fairly." Basically saying, that by doing so...you are waiving your rights....and you might end up taking a bullet to the dome.

And I 100% support it.

[Stew]

Hate to sound like a broken record........but "Play stupid games...win stupid prizes."

If you are in the act of doing something, illegal or not.....and an officer of the law tells you to stop, or requires you to give them your undivided attention... Then you better stop right where your at, shut your bitch lips, and do what he/she asks you to do. At that point in time, your only responses should be yes sir, or no sir, and cooperate in any way possible. In all of the (Officer involved deaths) over the years, it would be safe to say that 99% of them are caused by the suspect/individual in question not cooperating. Now, I am smart enough to realize, that just by not cooperating, or giving an officer a hard time, that it does not give an officer the green light to shoot you. But, I do believe that once you decide that you are not going to cooperate...that all bets are off in regards to you being treated "fairly." Basically saying, that by doing so...you are waiving your rights....and you might end up getting a bullet to the dome.

And I 100% support it.

What if the cop demands sexual acts? Does that advice still hold? Eh, of course that's silly. Cops would never act in such a way.

[Filthy]

What if the cop demands sexual acts? Does that advice still hold? Eh, of course that's silly. Cops would never act in such a way.

In that situation, that might account for the 1% of the time that an officer instigates the trouble, you would have to do whatever you can to get out of the situation to survive. So, once again..you might have your life taken. But your odds would be exactly the same, as it would be for some random person to break into your house and sexually assault you. Maybe you live...maybe you die.

[Jersey Boss]

In that situation, that might account for the 1% of the time that an officer instigates the trouble, you would have to do whatever you can to get out of the situation to survive. So, once again..you might have your life taken. But your odds would be exactly the same, as it would be for some random person to break into your house and sexually assault you. Maybe you live...maybe you die.

Wonder what part of that 1 %, Daniel Holtzclaw, was responsible for?

[Stew]

Wonder what part of that 1 %, Daniel Holtzclaw, was responsible for?

I'm sure some how it was the women's fault for being in close proximity to a cop. However I'm not going to protest too much because I dont want the local FOP demanding an apology from Pete.

[bradh]

Yeah the end result in these cases are unfortunate, but breaking the law and resisting authority tends to not end well for the agitator. Anything else is strawman BS

[Jersey Boss]

Yeah the end result in these cases are unfortunate, but breaking the law and resisting authority tends to not end well for the agitator. Anything else is strawman BS

But yet it seems when the police break the law there are no consequences. (Edit** It seems as if there are no consequences, in many cases)

[bradh]

But yet it seems when the police break the law there are no consequences.

As for this case, I agree. But again, why put yourself in this situation? Why physically fight authorities when you broke the law and know it's not going to end well for you?

[Jersey Boss]

As for this case, I agree. But again, why put yourself in this situation? Why physically fight authorities when you broke the law and know it's not going to end well for you?

The issue as to whether or not he had broken the law was debatable. His family claimed there were no smokes on his person or in his car. Again even if true we are talking about a misdemeanor here and the death of a human being.

[bradh]

The issue as to whether or not he had broken the law was debatable. His family claimed there were no smokes on his person or in his car. Again even if true we are talking about a misdemeanor here and the death of a human being.

I'm not justifying the officers action. Never said I did. The end result here was terrible.

His family claims that. Michael Brown's best friend's story is the only view the media wants anyone to know. What do the facts, the evidence, say?

Again, this dude didn't deserve to lose his life. Not arguing that point.

[Jersey Boss]

This incident clearly shows why putting cameras on cops won't solve the problems of reckless use of power by the police. This incident was clearly caught on camera.
From the Federalist:
Hands Up, Don't Choke: Eric Garner Was Killed By Police For No Reason
( NY statutes)
§ 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
1. He recklessly causes the death of another person; or
2. He commits upon a female an abortional act which causes her death,
unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three
of section 125.05; or
3. He intentionally causes or aids another person to commit suicide.
Manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony.

The second-degree manslaughter charge requires only two factors: 1) the person charged must have caused the death of the victim, and 2) the perpetrator must have caused the death of the victim via reckless means.

As the video shows, the officer clearly caused the death of Eric Garner, who was alive until the officer put him in a chokehold, a move which is banned by the NYPD for good reason. And why did the police department ban chokeholds? Here’s an article on the subject from 1993, when a previous police chief banned the practice:


The New York City Police Department has issued an order banning the use of choke holds, the restraining maneuvers that cut off the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain and have been blamed in the deaths of suspects here and around the nation.

So an officer used a banned practice that is known to lead to the deaths of people who are subjected to it? That certainly seems to satisfy the second condition of a second-degree manslaughter charge. And again, I have to stress that the entire incident was caught on tape. The evidence is unequivocal. And yet, no indictment.

It is incidents like these that will lead to civil insurrection.

[bradh]

What sucks is, once you're in the position Mr. Garner was in, it ends in two ways:

you fight, and possibly lose your life
you go to jail, and live (hopefully) and let the system take it's course

Is what it is, if you choose number one you're clearly on your own and know it. (Jersey...this is not an endorsement of this cop's brutality)

[adaniel]

The great irony is that police brutality is most likely to happen to people dealing with the police, who are probably engaging in some sort of shady behavior. But their guilt and punishment is for the justice system to sort out, not the police.

These things are only going to become more common with the spread of social media, phone cameras, Youtube, etc.

We'll have to agree to disagree,

[Mel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtQj8O92eI

[Jersey Boss]

From Daniel Pantaleo To Darren Wilson, Police Are Almost Never Indicted

Tamir Rice was 12 years old when police shot and killed him last month within two seconds of their car's approaching him. The story they have told since does not match the video.

Akai Gurley also died last month, shot by a New York officer in what the police say was an accident.

Just a few days ago, a grand jury in Jasper, Texas, declined to indict two white officers who had brutally beaten a black woman on video. They had arrested her for an unpaid ticket, though she had been making monthly payments.

[ylouder]

I dont agree with Ferguson protesters but these other cases that have been caught on tape make me sick.
Shooting 12 year old kids playing in the park within 1.5 seconds of the car coming up, strangling people for petty crimes...

This isn't justice.

If you cant do your job without killing the people you are supposed to protect you belong in prison.

[Jersey Boss]

Another thing that makes the SI case so egregious is that the selling of untaxed cigarettes is a tax code violation and not a criminal action. i wonder how many tax cheats on Wall Street are subjected to this sort of justice?

[Anonymous.]

Are American citizens going to finally wake up? The system is broken.

We have clear unbiased video evidence and clear rules and laws being broken by officers - and there is NO trial. This is a reason to take to the streets. I hope downtown NYC is at a standstill for the rest of the week. NYPD have specific policy for no choke holds, and the officer statements are claiming there was no choke hold and there was no sign of the "criminal" struggling (to live).

Now let me say it again, we have video evidence of both of these things occurring that the police are claiming did not occur.

Police body cameras are just the start, we need reform in this justice system.

[adaniel]

Going to leave this here. From April of this year:

Knox County cop fired immediately after photos show brutal choking of student - The Washington Post

[boitoirich]

To those who explain away disparate and excessive cop behavior by focusing on the actions of the accused, I give you #CrimingWhileWhite

#Crimingwhilewhite is a mind-blowing view into white privilege and the law - Vox