OHP to Okla. women; Want to avoid getting raped by the police? Don't break the law.

[BBatesokc]

In a head-scratching WTH moment, apparently a member of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol (on way too long of a leash) told a reporter that if the women of Oklahoma want to best avoid being sexually assaulted by a member of Oklahoma law enforcement then obey all traffic laws and 'don't get pulled over.'

Seriously? That's the opinion of law enforcement on how to avoid getting raped by one of their own.

And, in case you're keeping count, the article cites three law enforcement officers being accused of being rapists in recent days - in reality its at least 4 and if you broaden the timeline the numbers grow quite a bit....... And we are not talking about single accuser incidents - we are talking about serial rapes with multiple victims per officer.

As reported at HuffingtonPost.com.

Cop's Tip For Not Getting Raped By A Cop: 'Don't Get Pulled Over'


Love the troopers other suggestions;

1.) Keep your door locked and speak to the officer through a cracked window.

2.) Ask the trooper why you should get out of your car.

100% guarantee, if you refuse to pull over in an isolated location and instead drive to a public one, and then only lower your window while keeping your door locked you're gonna get yanked out of the vehicle and slammed to the ground. And when it happens, I hope the defense attorney kept a copy of this article to read to the jury.

Also hope this is thrown in DA Prater's face during the Pear Pearson trial.

What's is going on with our local law enforcement?

[Plutonic Panda]

You should always keep your door locked and only crack your window when dealing with police. I've never had any issues with that.

[zookeeper]

That really is just unbelievable. Heads should roll at OHP and new leadership brought in from the outside.

As for local law enforcement, troubles almost always begin at the top. OCPD's Chief (Bill Citty) should never have had the office in the first place.

[adaniel]

That really is just unbelievable. Heads should roll at OHP and new leadership brought in from the outside.

As for local law enforcement, troubles almost always begin at the top. OCPD's Chief (Bill Citty) should never have had the office in the first place.

I don't know what your issue is with Bill Citty. He is one of the more progressive law enforcement figures in the state. In a locale with so many hang em high/Barney Fife types, OKC is lucky to have him.

[zookeeper]

I don't know what your issue is with Bill Citty. He is one of the more progressive law enforcement figures in the state. In a locale with so many hang em high/Barney Fife types, OKC is lucky to have him.

Well, for starters, read this post from Brian Bates - http://www.okctalk.com/politics/3886...tml#post824604

[Jersey Boss]

Well, for starters, read this post from Brian Bates - http://<b>http://www.okctalk.com/pol...post824604</b>

I believe this to be a more insightful than "he's a friendly guy."

[zookeeper]

I don't know what your issue is with Bill Citty. He is one of the more progressive law enforcement figures in the state. In a locale with so many hang em high/Barney Fife types, OKC is lucky to have him.

I'm really curious....you base that on what? You obviously don't know Bill Citty. A "progressive law enforcement official" who has successfully kept dash cams out of this city's patrol cars. He doesn't want the accountability. Anybody who really knows him knows this!

[adaniel]

Almost certain this is not true:

Fact-check: Did Oklahoma Hwy Patrol Captain George Brown Blame Police Assaults On Victims?

[Plutonic Panda]

Almost certain this is not true:

Fact-check: Did Oklahoma Hwy Patrol Captain George Brown Blame Police Assaults On Victims?

It is true

from your source

There’s an image that claims Oklahoma Highway Patrol Captain George Brown made the statement that if women didn’t want to be assaulted by police officers, they shouldn’t do things that would cause them to be pulled over in the first place.

- See more at: Fact-check: Did Oklahoma Hwy Patrol Captain George Brown Blame Police Assaults On Victims?

The police work for us... not the other way around. I'm not saying we can tell them what to do, but they need to remember their place. Saying "if women didn’t want to be assaulted by police officers, they shouldn’t do things that would cause them to be pulled over in the first place." is absolute insanity.

[kelroy55]

It is true

from your source



The police work for us... not the other way around. I'm not saying we can tell them what to do, but they need to remember their place. Saying "if women didn’t want to be assaulted by police officers, they shouldn’t do things that would cause them to be pulled over in the first place." is absolute insanity.

Wasn't this also from his source?

"Here’s the problem: the quote “then follow the law in the first place so you don’t get pulled over” comes from the newscaster at the end of the video, not the Highway Patrol captain. This quote pulls two parts of the entire news story together completely out of context. Captain George Brown’s appearance on the video tells people about what they should expect when dealing with law enforcement when pulled over and offers safety tips. However, the deputy who was arrested for assaulting women was responding to a call at a residence, not making a traffic stop. The “then follow the law in the first place so you don’t get pulled over” quote is also not only not uttered on the video by the officer, but it’s at the end of the video when the anchor is talking about traffic stops, and not directly in regards to the story about the accused deputy. -"

[Mel]

Besides if the cop really wants to pull someone over they will. No matter how well you are driving. Dash cams NOW!

[Plutonic Panda]

Besides if the cop really wants to pull someone over they will. No matter how well you are driving. Dash cams NOW!

The OHP has dash cams in all of their cars, if I remember correctly.

[Mel]

The OHP has dash cams in all of their cars, if I remember correctly.

Did not know that. I try VERY hard to stay off any LEO's radar.

[kevinpate]

The OHP has dash cams in all of their cars, if I remember correctly.

Yes, Plu, they do. However, each one has a switch that permits the trooper to turn it on and off.

It's rather difficult to see how a dash cam which can be easily overridden by a trooper (and apparently this has happened in time frames which match up to some of the allegations) is of much use to the motorist.

[Jersey Boss]

Yes, Plu, they do. However, each one has a switch that permits the trooper to turn it on and off.

It's rather difficult to see how a dash cam which can be easily overridden by a trooper (and apparently this has happened in time frames which match up to some of the allegations) is of much use to the motorist.

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[bluedogok]

Besides if the cop really wants to pull someone over they will. No matter how well you are driving. Dash cams NOW!

If they are anything like the Austin PD dash cameras they always seem to "fail" at the most inopportune times or all action happens just outside of camera view. It's amazing how easily video of critical incidents just happens to "disappear" off the devices.

[bombermwc]

If they are anything like the Austin PD dash cameras they always seem to "fail" at the most inopportune times or all action happens just outside of camera view. It's amazing how easily video of critical incidents just happens to "disappear" off the devices.

Well with a dash cam, there are some inherit problems. One being, all you have to do is go out of view of the camera and you're able to do whatever you want without a record. Not every officer does this, but it seems to be the case when some bad crap goes down (funny that). The worn cameras will alleviate that. The ability of the officer to turn the camera off is another problem. If they choose to have a private conversation in the patrol car (which why shouldn't they expect to do this), then there's no reason that should be recorded. There is such thing as an officer's right to privacy...they didn't lose it just because they are driving a patrol car that day. But there's the sticker....how do you balance the two? Do you tie it to the lights so if they have them on, it records (and continues to record for X minutes after they are shut off...in case they try to turn them off to avoid capturing something). Do they get any indicator that it is recording? I'm not going to pretend to have the answers, but just pointing out this it's a bit more complex than just turning it on and leaving it running all day without any questions.

[ylouder]

Bomber - about the officers right to privacy?

I get your general post but I wonder why the deserve a right that none of us are afforded. By that I mean almost all employees are monitored through emails, phone calls, cameras hidden or not and it's completely legal because they are on company/ government time. In alot of cases people are getting in trouble and now responsible for their actions outside of work too.

So why should an officer be afforded the right to privacy while performing their tax payer paid duties when the rest of us arent?

I don't understand the reasoning of assuming all police officers have some sort of executive privilege when you can look at any single month period and find numerous instances of rape, murder, drugs, and corruption.

My general thoughts are let's make it easier for good cops to excel through the ranks by removing the dead and toxic wood we all know is present.

[Urbanized]

Completely agree about Bill Citty. I've worked with and interacted with him on multiple occasions, and I think the guy is pure class. Very impressive from an enforcement standpoint, and yet not at all tolerant of misbehaving cops.

[zookeeper]

Completely agree about Bill Citty. I've worked with and interacted with him on multiple occasions, and I think the guy is pure class. Very impressive from an enforcement standpoint, and yet not at all tolerant of misbehaving cops.

I would take major issue with that. But, I will leave it alone. Friendly guy, I will say that.

[Urbanized]

All I can say is that I have been in a number of meetings with the man and he has struck me as genuinely concerned about the issues that a few people here have suggested he is UNconcerned with. I'll leave it at that.

[BBatesokc]

All I can say is that I have been in a number of meetings with the man and he has struck me as genuinely concerned about the issues that a few people here have suggested he is UNconcerned with. I'll leave it at that.

Obviously your perspective is valid within the scope of its foundation - his public face at public meetings.

I'd argue to the contrary that he is an unprofessional man who forwards his own agenda when the public isn't watching.
Brown vs. Oklahoma gives an Oklahoma judge's perspective of him. An interesting twist is that records indicate that racial slurs were used while violating the citizen's rights (the victims were black). Records also indicate that there were depositions and transcripts that provide all the details of Citty's rights violations and possible racist attitude. However (and conveniently), if you request those records, they will tell you the record files have disappeared. I know, its been requested.

Chief Citty is also a hypocrite and is not blind when it comes to justice. He covered up his own step-daughter's crimes of possession of a fake ID and obstruction. She sent a text to her friend that their upscale home was getting ready to be raided by police with a search warrant after Chief Citty told his daughter about it. Citty has had other officers fired and criminally prosecuted and convicted for the exact same thing. His daughter's actions not only obstructed justice but also placed the officers in unnecessary danger by tipping the alleged offenders off. His daughter was never charged with anything.

Last year Chief Citty told a local high profile non-profit that if I was allowed to attend their fundraising banquet or if I was acknowledged in any way that he nor OCPD would participate in their event. This, even though we were both in attendance the year before without issue and I provided thousands of dollars in donors that were personal friends. What did Chief Citty provide? He and his entourage attended (for free), insisted on their own reserved private table (paid for by a close friend of mine at my request) and they provided a single auction item (ride in Air1).

Chief Citty has insisted on GPS for OCPD patrol cars but regularly avoids the installation of dash cams because that footage he knew would eventually be deemed a public record. Though he is all for GPS on patrol cars and the recording of record searches by individual officers - because those items are not public record and he can use them to target officers that cause problems for the department - like whistle blowers.

This thread isn't about Chief Citty, but I felt the need to throw in my two-cents. I literally have dozens of specific examples of how corrupt and unprofessional Citty is. I receive correspondence from police officers on a somewhat regular basis and he is not well-liked within the department by patrol officers - at least based on my perspective.

[Tritone]

"Don't break the law" is not the best response. While OHP does have dash cams, was there not a discussion that the video shot by them is exempt from public record (pardon my non-lawyer terminology)?

[kevinpate]

"Don't break the law" is not the best response. While OHP does have dash cams, was there not a discussion that the video shot by them is exempt from public record (pardon my non-lawyer terminology)?

That changes in a few weeks.

[TheTravellers]

That changes in a few weeks.

Good! Should never been allowed to be non-public.