Streetcar Route

[Pete]

Official route, approved 2/16/17 by City Council:

[Urban Pioneer]

Yep! Here is the video of the route that Catch 22 helped me put together.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLnZIQ0tNKg

[Pete]

^

Thanks!

I added the vid to the article as well.

[Plutonic Panda]

Just curious, will it ever be expanded to the southside as in a citywide streetcar or will stay primarily around the core?

[Urban Pioneer]

I believe it will be expanded from Capitol Hill all the way to 63rd street as that route is currently being adopted by our Regional Transit System Plan. So the downtown Phase 1 is probably just the beginning. On a personal note, I would like to see the Plaza District and OCU our next Phase of major expansion.

[NWOKCGuy]

Would that run up 16th? Would it stop at Penn or just carry up to May? May to 10th could give a connection the Fairgrounds.

[okclee]

Shouldn't the planning start now for phase 2? ..... It seems like once the planning begins that there are many years to actually get it up and running.

Also I kept thinking that this route was going to go along 13th street and actually interact with the Edge development. Did Heritage Hills not want it running along their neighborhood boundaries?

[Buffalo Bill]

Shouldn't the planning start now for phase 2? ..... It seems like once the planning begins that there are many years to actually get it up and running.

Also I kept thinking that this route was going to go along 13th street and actually interact with the Edge development. Did Heritage Hills not want it running along their neighborhood boundaries?

Heritage Hills doesn't extend to 13th Street.

[LakeEffect]

Heritage Hills doesn't extend to 13th Street.

Not physically, but politically...

[DoctorTaco]

Shouldn't the planning start now for phase 2? ..... It seems like once the planning begins that there are many years to actually get it up and running.

Also I kept thinking that this route was going to go along 13th street and actually interact with the Edge development. Did Heritage Hills not want it running along their neighborhood boundaries?

I was told the route turns around short of 13th because of costs.

[Urban Pioneer]

Shouldn't the planning start now for phase 2? ..... It seems like once the planning begins that there are many years to actually get it up and running.

Also I kept thinking that this route was going to go along 13th street and actually interact with the Edge development. Did Heritage Hills not want it running along their neighborhood boundaries?

I think that "a Phase 2" is entirely possible through the next MAPS. However, which area gets it depends on who fights for it. I think that the Plaza District and Uptown are likely easy candidates. That being stated, I haven't seen them fight for it or press city officials to meaningfully plan for it however.

There is this line that is now part of the Regional System Plan which was drawn in by the consultants several weeks ago. It is expansive and probably presumes some Federal Funding.

And yes, the "original" MAPS 3 Phase 1 System Map did go up to 13th. It was shifted to 11th as the Dewey/11th intersection was thought to be a better transition point to xpand the system to the NW. And yes, Heritage Hills did regularly have people come to our meetings and protest 13th.

[soonerguru]

I think that "a Phase 2" is entirely possible through the next MAPS. However, which area gets it depends on who fights for it. I think that the Plaza District and Uptown are likely easy candidates. That being stated, I haven't seen them fight for it or press city officials to meaningfully plan for it however.

There is this line that is now part of the Regional System Plan which was drawn in by the consultants several weeks ago. It is expansive and probably presumes some Federal Funding.

And yes, the "original" MAPS 3 Phase 1 System Map did go up to 13th. It was shifted to 11th as the Dewey/11th intersection was thought to be a better transition point to xpand the system to the NW. And yes, Heritage Hills did regularly have people come to our meetings and protest 13th.

Oy vey. Ridiculous.

[TheTonte]

Oy vey. Ridiculous.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I like it going down 11th Street better than 13th. Closer to all the action in Midtown.

[OKCisOK4me]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I like it going down 11th Street better than 13th. Closer to all the action in Midtown.

Agreed. Plus it's closer to the sex shop on the SE corner of The Edge so less of a walk...

[Bullbear]

Watching the video I really like the proximity it comes to some areas. making more things walkable. that is another adjustment everyone will have to make. Public transportation isn't about dropping you on the doorstep of everywhere you want to go.. it gets you close enough to walk. when you have been car dependent you don't get that ( que people circling in parking lots to get 30 feet closer to the door )

[CuatrodeMayo]

I agree. 13th is mostly lined with low-density, suburban-style development so I doubt it would be a good candidate for the streetcar anyways.

[Buffalo Bill]

[QUOTE=Sid Burgess;The north side of 13th should have 3 story buildings, south side 3-5. And from then south, MidTown should be free to densify. 13th street TOD gives the city a really good way to manage this important boundary. I'd even be in favor of the city buying up anything it could on 13th to make this easier.[/QUOTE]

The area on the north side of NW 13th is limited to 35 feet or 2 stories.

http://www.okc.gov/planning/downtown..._6_22_2011.pdf

[cg3md]

Sorry if this is a dumb question,but is the phase 2 extension listed part of maps 3, and if so has it been decided? Thanks.

[OKCisOK4me]

Sorry if this is a dumb question,but is the phase 2 extension listed part of maps 3, and if so has it been decided? Thanks.

I don't think it is a part of MAPS 3. I think that Phase 2 would be implemented on its own terms based on the success of Phase 1. Urban Pioneer would know best.

[shawnw]

I was under the impression MAPS3 included phases 1 and 2, but welcome correction.

[LakeEffect]

I was under the impression MAPS3 included phases 1 and 2, but welcome correction.

Phase I only - there was/is some hope that it might be able to help provide a match for Federal funds for Phase II, if I understand correctly.

[BoulderSooner]

Phase I only - there was/is some hope that it might be able to help provide a match for Federal funds for Phase II, if I understand correctly.

There is a phase 1 and phase 2 in the maps budget. And schedule

[shawnw]

Thanks for the correction

[Urban Pioneer]

When I refer to "Phase 2", I am referring to an second major phase to the system funded through some other future initiative. "Phase 2" in MAPS 3 was a way to break the streetcar project up to allow better cash flow and programming for all of the MAPS 3 projects. At the time that this was approved, there were also hopes that we would be elligible for Federal Funds. We have since received significant Federal Funds for both the streetcar and the Intermodal Hub. "Phase 2" has turned out to be completely irrelevant in those matters.

Because of delays on the streetcar due to the wired versus wireless issue and better than expected sales tax revenue collections, I expect that the "Phase 2" in the MAPS 3 Implementation Plan will simply cease to exist. Those discussions are actually ramping up. Phase 1 is running into Phase 2 and available money is not a problem.

[David]

We've gotten federal funds for the streetcar? For some reason I thought we had only gotten any for the hub.

Also, am I reading you correctly in that once construction actually starts, it's possible we're going to see both phase 1 and phase 2 go in at the same time? That would be downright awesome, the synergy in building the park and running a streetcar line alongside it at the same time would be fantastic. Not to mention the benefits the system would get by running it down 4th.