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    The United States Geological Survey (USGS) issued a press release yesterday indicating that the magnitude 5.7 earthquake that struck Prague, Oklahoma in 2011 was unintentionally human-induced.

    The USGS claims that the magnitude 5.0 earthquake triggered by waste-water injection the previous day “trigger[ed] a cascade of earthquakes, including a larger one, [which] has important implications for reducing the seismic risk from waste-water injection.”


    U.S. Geological Survey confirms: Human activity caused 5.7 quake in Oklahoma | The Raw Story

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    "Despite this risk, authorities in Oklahoma continue to allow waste-water injection near the Wilzetta fault."(from above referenced article)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Heaton View Post
    "Despite this risk, authorities in Oklahoma continue to allow waste-water injection near the Wilzetta fault."(from above referenced article)
    I wonder what the governor's response will be if an earthquake turns stronger than 5.7 and kills people? Oil companies better work closer with scientists to better figure out what's going on in the earth and make adjustments to what they're doing, if necessary. If not, a more damaging earthquake could happen, and the oil companies could get sued out of existence.

    I think Gov. Fallin was in Stillwater this morning when two earthquakes happened nearby. If she was, I wonder if she noticed them. The stronger of the two was 3.4. She is in Stillwater this afternoon to have a private meeting with the Stillwater Chamber of Commerce members and guests, which to me shows what type political interest she wants closer connections. I wonder if she will be asked if the state should do more about the earthquakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkjeeves View Post
    The United States Geological Survey (USGS) issued a press release yesterday indicating that the magnitude 5.7 earthquake that struck Prague, Oklahoma in 2011 was unintentionally human-induced.

    The USGS claims that the magnitude 5.0 earthquake triggered by waste-water injection the previous day “trigger[ed] a cascade of earthquakes, including a larger one, [which] has important implications for reducing the seismic risk from waste-water injection.”


    U.S. Geological Survey confirms: Human activity caused 5.7 quake in Oklahoma | The Raw Story
    This story was taken a bit out of context from the original. The original story from USGS said it "may have" caused the quake.

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    Shocking!

    /s

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    USGS story with "may have" and a link to the paper


    PASADENA, Calif. — In a new study involving researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey, scientists observed that a human-induced magnitude 5.0 earthquake near Prague, Oklahoma in November 2011 may have triggered the larger M5.7 earthquake less than a day later. This research suggests that the M5.7 quake was the largest human-caused earthquake associated with wastewater injection.

    USGS Release: 2011 Oklahoma Induced Earthquake May Have Triggered Larger Quake (3/6/2014 5:00:00 PM)

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    Hmmmmm...so, The Raw Story intentionally omitted the word "may." Wonder why they did that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Heaton View Post
    Hmmmmm...so, The Raw Story intentionally omitted the word "may." Wonder why they did that?
    I was going blame it on an editor coming up with a more exciting title for the article, but then I read the article itself and changed my mind. The author is either pushing an agenda or isn't enough of a hard science person to know the difference between the original report and what he wrote. Then again, you'd think a guy with a Ph.D. in English Literature would know that leaving out "may have" substantially changes the story.

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    So it might have been a fracking earthquake instead of a fricking earth quake? You're all shook up either way I suppose.

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    Pretty sure Raw Story is not the hot news item but feel free to knock yourself out talking them. Might as well work the USGS are all biased scientists and/or academics too while you're at it. Perhaps even toss in a "Thanks, Obama!" too. It's his watch.

    The way I read it, the news is the USGS builds on a previous report expanding the events possibly related to the injection well activity...activity at the well happened, a quake happened, a second larger quake happened. Their opinion after study is they all may have been related, one event leading to the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinpate View Post
    So it might have been a fracking earthquake instead of a fricking earth quake? You're all shook up either way I suppose.
    On BSG, yes, it's a fracking earthquake.

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    I read this thread and blew a 7 Up through my nose. It hurt. It hurt very
    much.

    Who can I sue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prunepicker View Post
    I read this thread and blew a 7 Up through my nose. It hurt. It hurt very
    much.

    Who can I sue?
    Why is that? Because you quite strongly feel only a poorly informed idiot would think Oklahoma oil field operations are causing the earthquakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Why is that? Because you quite strongly feel only a poorly informed idiot would think Oklahoma oil field operations are causing the earthquakes?
    I think it is because he knows all of this is premature and no official results have been finalized and nearly every person conducting any kind of study has a bias and we sit on a very large fault line and earthquakes are NOT foreign to Oklahoma and this report is made to look like it has been decided that earthquakes are the result of fracking when it CLEARLY says it MAY have been the result, yet people are jumping to conclusions.

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    Link to the official report.

    USGS Release: 2011 Oklahoma Induced Earthquake May Have Triggered Larger Quake (3/6/2014 5:00:00 PM)

    Edit: My bad, didn't notice it was already posted.

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    well, things do move more freely when lubed

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    The thing more troubling than the earthquakes is how fast these new wells are drying up. Apparently they don't hold near the reserves as previously believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    The thing more troubling than the earthquakes is how fast these new wells are drying up. Apparently they don't hold near the reserves as previously believed.
    Are these new wells being drilled in existing explored areas?
    Are some wells new depths at existing sites?

    I used to deal with an oil man named Nelson Guyer with a company called Thermodyne.
    He didn't do water injection fracking but rather he collected a field of dribblers then he set off
    underground explosions.

    He had investors from around the country but his largest partner was Major Riddle, the owner of
    the Sands and the Dunes Casino in Las Vegas. Back in the late 70s Riddle would come into Norman
    and meet with Guyer at Legends and they would laugh about the capacity of his underground bomb
    where they would drill down about 2000' to set off charges. The fields were east and south of OKC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Silliman View Post
    Are these new wells being drilled in existing explored areas?
    Are some wells new depths at existing sites?

    I used to deal with an oil man named Nelson Guyer with a company called Thermodyne.
    He didn't do water injection fracking but rather he collected a field of dribblers than set off
    underground explosions.

    He had investors from around the country but his largest partner was Major Riddle, the owner of
    the Sands and the Dunes Casino in Las Vegas. Back in the late 70s Riddle would come into Norman
    and meet with Guyer at Legends and they would laugh about the capacity of his underground bomb
    where they would drill down about 2000' to set off charges. The fields were east and south of OKC.
    I think what he is referring to is the wells drilled in the new found shales, (accomplished by fracking) have most of their production occur up front and rapidly deplete in comparison to more traditional wells that produce less up front and more over time (by my understanding.) I don't think that has much to do with the overall reserve estimates contained in the shales as being less, but there is some talk around the web saying all the shale activity constitutes a short lived drilling bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkjeeves View Post
    I think what he is referring to is the wells drilled in the new found shales, (accomplished by fracking) have most of their production occur up front and rapidly deplete in comparison to more traditional wells that produce less up front and more over time (by my understanding.) I don't think that has much to do with the overall reserve estimates contained in the shales as being less, but there is some talk around the web saying all the shale activity constitutes a short lived drilling bubble.
    How I am understanding it is that there is big volume of oil up front but that the wells go dry quickly. Not unlike water rights calculations in the early 20th century, the volume predictions are made during flood stage, not at average flow stage (to use the water analogy). In the end it doesn't matter what the predictions were, it only matters what really happens. When I saw Cramer yesterday hocking the **** out of fracking I suspected something was fishy. I think he has some energy stocks he needs to unload before this revelation hits the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    How I am understanding it is that there is big volume of oil up front but that the wells go dry quickly. Not unlike water rights calculations in the early 20th century, the volume predictions are made during flood stage, not at average flow stage (to use the water analogy). In the end it doesn't matter what the predictions were, it only matters what really happens. When I saw Cramer yesterday hocking the **** out of fracking I suspected something was fishy. I think he has some energy stocks he needs to unload before this revelation hits the masses.
    Yes, like we both said, the up front volume is high and the wells go dry quickly. A comparison is illustrated here along with a little other discussion. I'm not sure why you think predictions for reserves would be based on long production times and figures of older technology when the current methods with short production/high volume have had some time to have been studied and understood somewhat. Got some information where estimate methodology is fouled up?



    The Oil Drum | Horizontal and Vertical Well Production

    When I went looking for that link, I tripped across this story too, which is part of the question of the above link from 2007. Are companies getting better at extracting?

    Companies drilling in the Marcellus and other shale formations across the country are getting better at what they do, according to a report released today by the federal Energy Information Administration.
    "Increasing precision and efficiency of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing" has resulted in each well producing more natural gas, on average, than seven years ago, according to the report.
    And that is changing the way production estimates for the United States are being calculated.
    According to the government data, the report says: "a Marcellus Shale well completed by a rig in April 2014 can be expected to yield over 6 million cubic feet of natural gas per day more than a well completed by that rig in that formation in 2007."

    Fracking efficiently: Government changes how it calculates future oil and gas production because wells are producing more than before | PennLive.com

    Surely there's someone in the oil and gas business who reads this forum?

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    I once had a debate with my buddy about the possibility of fracking causing most of the recent earthquakes in Oklahoma and other areas around the country, needless to say the discussion became a shouting match! My buddy works for a certain large oil and gas company headquartered in dt OKC and He has been with them for 20 years or so, and when I brought up the possibility of fracking causing earthquakes, He lost His mind! Towards the end of the fiery debate He called me a left wing nut job Liberal that wants to see the oil and gas companies fail, also He went on to say that bad mouthing His lively hood and what puts food on His children's table was unacceptable! I have had many debates with many people about this and this was the first that turned very quickly! I thought it was quit funny to see someone so heated over a debate!

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