Three Oklahoma Teens Allegedly Murder Baseball Player Out Of Boredom

[GoOKC1991]

http://deadspin.com/three-oklahoma-t...r-o-1170062814


One of the worst things I have ever heard, wow

[ljbab728]

I agree. It is extremely sad for everyone involved. I saw the interviews with the parents earlier on the news and that has to be excruciating for all of them.

[catch22]

This is completely awful and heartbreaking.

[Plutonic Panda]

That video doesn't look like actually ABC news footage and I'm surprised this hasn't been in News 9 or Newsok.com. Needless to say, I'm very skeptical of this story.

[RIVERRAT99]

Do you not watch the news, it's been on local tv , the past 2 days......

[Wambo36]

It was on the 10 pm news, along with pictures of the 3 kids and a talk with one of their mothers. She said they're in a "pretend" gang, not a real one. Too bad that doesn't bring the victim back.

[Plutonic Panda]

It was on the 10 pm news, along with pictures of the 3 kids and a talk with one of their mothers. She said they're in a "pretend" gang, not a real one. Too bad that doesn't bring the victim back.

What news channel?

[Fantastic]

That video doesn't look like actually ABC news footage and I'm surprised this hasn't been in News 9 or Newsok.com. Needless to say, I'm very skeptical of this story.

What news channel?

NewsOK
KFOR
KOCO
KWTV
Washington Post
ABC News
Fox News
News.com.au
Duncan Banner
KSWO
Daily Journal
Cumberland Times-News
KJRH
Lawton Constitution
The Australian

I could go on... still skeptical?

[Plutonic Panda]

NewsOK
KFOR
KOCO
KWTV
Washington Post
ABC News
Fox News
News.com.au
Duncan Banner
KSWO
Daily Journal
Cumberland Times-News
KJRH
Lawton Constitution
The Australian

I could go on... still skeptical?

Jeeze, ok. You got me. Didn't see it on News9 or Newsok last night, guess I didn't look hard enough.

[Bellaboo]

What news channel?

I saw it on channel 9 and channel 4.

[Achilleslastand]

It was on the 10 pm news, along with pictures of the 3 kids and a talk with one of their mothers. She said they're in a "pretend" gang, not a real one. Too bad that doesn't bring the victim back.

Whats a "pretend" gang?
The 3 ruffians should be drawn and quartered.

[Snowman]

It was on the 10 pm news, along with pictures of the 3 kids and a talk with one of their mothers. She said they're in a "pretend" gang, not a real one. Too bad that doesn't bring the victim back.

It sounds like someone was pretending to them-self what the group was but it was not the teens

[Wambo36]

KWTV if I'm not mistaken. We were watching Under the Dome and the lead in's were right after the show.

[andrew3077]

Australian News

Duncan News

[kwhey]

Strap them to a wall and let rottweilers go wild on the nuts until there is nothing left . In fact if you would do that for all major crimes, it would be a great deterrent.

[kevinpate]

Strap them to a wall and let rottweilers go wild on the nuts until there is nothing left . In fact if you would do that for all major crimes, it would be a great deterrent.

And were the police flawless and prosecutors all above board, and all judges unbiased. all defense counsel competent, and eye witnesses beyond error and malice, you might be on to something.

However, we do not live in Imaginationland. Thus nad chomping dawgs, half starved feral cats, pits of angry snakes, stonings and videos of brutal beheadings will all be more appropriately remains means employed in less enlightened nations.


on edit: I'm addressing the "all major crimes' notion, not this or any other single incident.

[kwhey]

And were the police flawless and prosecutors all above board, and all judges unbiased. all defense counsel competent, and eye witnesses beyond error and malice, you might be on to something.

However, we do not live in Imaginationland. Thus nad chomping dawgs, half starved feral cats, pits of angry snakes, stonings and videos of brutal beheadings will all be more appropriately remains means employed in less enlightened nations.


on edit: I'm addressing the "all major crimes' notion, not this or any other single incident.

Because throwing them in prison where they have TV, 3 meals a day and get to hang out in the yard is such a brutal punishment. If we would get serious with punishments here, maybe just maybe crime would downturn. Plus it is not like we are sentencing them to death. Just removing the chance for them to futher dilute the population pool.

[BBatesokc]

Because throwing them in prison where they have TV, 3 meals a day and get to hang out in the yard is such a brutal punishment. If we would get serious with punishments here, maybe just maybe crime would downturn. Plus it is not like we are sentencing them to death. Just removing the chance for them to futher dilute the population pool.

I was of the same mindset years ago - until I took some criminal justice classes, interviewed some individuals who had either spent considerable months in Oklahoma County Jail or in prison. I also correspond with a couple of people in prison now. Not to mention I've participated in countless interviews/depositions at several prisons/transfer centers/federal holding facilities/pre-release centers throughout the state.

The 'country club', lap of luxury hang out with your peeps and watch TV and lift weights prison lifestyle is 99.9% a fallacy. Do prisoners 'adapt'? Mostly. But confinement is not to be taken lightly.

If by 'serious with punishments' you mean torture or severe isolation/deprivation for those we know we will eventually return to society, then you are sadly fooling yourself.

Also, how many studies do we need to prove that harsh prison sentences and the death penalty are punishments only - not preventative.

I'm all for shorter sentences for most non-violent crimes if the sentence entails labor balanced with rehabilitation.

As for these 'pretend gang members' - If the charges prove true then very long prison sentences are in order or possibly even the death penalty. However, both possible punishments were in place long before these kids turned into killers and apparently that fact had zero impact on their decision making ability.

[kevinpate]

...
As for these 'pretend gang members' - If the charges prove true then very long prison sentences are in order or possibly even the death penalty. ...

If the lads are under 18, then the DP is off the table. Life, either with or without possibility of parole would be the two available sentences on a murder I charge. If there are other charges laid, upon conviction those sentences could run consecutively to the murder sentence (somewhat pointless on a LWOP, but would make a difference if the MI was life, and another charge was 50 and still another 50, with the three sentences running wild as it were.

[kelroy55]

Because throwing them in prison where they have TV, 3 meals a day and get to hang out in the yard is such a brutal punishment. If we would get serious with punishments here, maybe just maybe crime would downturn. Plus it is not like we are sentencing them to death. Just removing the chance for them to futher dilute the population pool.

Yeah spending the next 60 years in an 8X10 cell being told when to eat, sleep and everything else is a piece of cake.

[Plutonic Panda]

Yeah spending the next 60 years in an 8X10 cell being told when to eat, sleep and everything else is a piece of cake.

It comes at your expense to, don't forget that. You're paying to keep someone behind a wall for the rest of his life that won't ever be fit for society again.

[RadicalModerate]

Because throwing them in prison where they have TV, 3 meals a day and get to hang out in the yard is such a brutal punishment.

This is the only "hanging out in the yard" that should be done in this case . . .

[Plutonic Panda]

Strap them to a wall and let rottweilers go wild on the nuts until there is nothing left . In fact if you would do that for all major crimes, it would be a great deterrent.

I have an idea that I will withhold, but I do generally agree with you. This is an interesting case as they are minors and their brain isn't fully developed yet, assuming it ever will develop. In the end, people that commit these kinds of acts should be put down. I don't agree with physically torturing someone unless it is to get info that could save lives.

In all, I think our prison system is a joke and it needs to be focused more on rehabilitating people to get them back in society. No one, should spend life in prison. If they are a threat to society and burden to the state, they should be put down. A lot of things are illegal that shouldn't be and that is just my opinion, but would keep a lot of people from getting in trouble with that law.

[BBatesokc]

...No one, should spend life in prison. If they are a threat to society and burden to the state, they should be put down. ...

And in the numerous cases where people are exonerated years (even decades) after a conviction - what would you say to them (well, to their families, since they'll be dead under your reign)? "Oh well, we have a policy of 'putting down' those we convict of violent crimes that would otherwise result in a long prison stay."

Our justice system is an imperfect one. To take life lightly knowing the flaws within our system makes us no better than the criminals you'd seek to extinguish.

[Plutonic Panda]

And in the numerous cases where people are exonerated years (even decades) after a conviction - what would you say to them (well, to their families, since they'll be dead under your reign)? "Oh well, we have a policy of 'putting down' those we convict of violent crimes that would otherwise result in a long prison stay."

Our justice system is an imperfect one. To take life lightly knowing the flaws within our system makes us no better than the criminals you'd seek to extinguish.

So you want to just lock people up for life knowing they will never be able to function in society again? Nothing will ever be perfect and mistakes will be made, thats life.