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    Over the last couple of years I've noticed a slew of demolition permits for a small stretch of 49th Street at the intersection of NW Expressway and Classen.

    Further investigation shows the majority of properties on that block have been recently acquired by 49th Street Rentals LLC, which tracks back to Dusty Burchfield and Burchfield Commercial Real Estate.

    Not sure what is planned here but obviously the property would have to be rezoned for anything other than single family homes.

    Great corner... Keep your eyes on it.


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    I would KILL for another high rise right here. Oh my God would I.

    Downtown isn't going to win every business development, and if there's anywhere else other than downtown that I think would not be a total waste for that type of development, it would be right here.

    Also Pete, this is technically Urban Core development...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teo9969 View Post
    I would KILL for another high rise right here. Oh my God would I.

    Downtown isn't going to win every business development, and if there's anywhere else other than downtown that I think would not be a total waste for that type of development, it would be right here.

    Also Pete, this is technically Urban Core development...
    Heck no. No high rise here. It is far too close to the existing single family neighborhood. Maybe a good spot to highlight 3 story mixed use that integrates well into the neighborhood, but in no way should a high rise go here.

    The next best place for high rise development would be an extension of the core in Core to Shore. See http://www.batesline.com/archives/20...velopment.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafeboeuf View Post
    Heck no. No high rise here. It is far too close to the existing single family neighborhood. Maybe a good spot to highlight 3 story mixed use that integrates well into the neighborhood, but in no way should a high rise go here.
    i think this would make an awesome place for a high rise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    i think this would make an awesome place for a high rise
    Why? Explain more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafeboeuf View Post
    Why? Explain more.
    i think it would look really cool there. Sure one could look cool elsewhere, but I wouldn't be opposed to one here at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafeboeuf View Post
    Heck no. No high rise here. It is far too close to the existing single family neighborhood. Maybe a good spot to highlight 3 story mixed use that integrates well into the neighborhood, but in no way should a high rise go here.

    My cynical prediction is suburban-style strip mall completely seperated (by a high wall, say) from the surrounding single-family homes. This spot is over a quarter mile from a CVS/Walgreens, so that is a safe bet. I just hope it turns out as a CVS/Starbucks/Chipotle and not a CVS/Dollar General.

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    Yeah another high rise on NW Expressway will likely face significant NIMBY opposition. I wouldn't mind seeing 10-15 story glass office buildings though. Either that or a true lifestyle center anchored by H&M or Belk. I think it could be a great compliment to Penn Square Mall which is a very small mall as far as malls go.

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    Whatever the project is it will have to justify prohibitively high land assembly costs. So probably office.

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    The absolute main reason why is because it would be another high-rise to view from my porch. Love sitting out smoking a cigar and staring at Valliance...Although, maybe another high rise would block Valliance :-O.

    I don't pretend to think that's going to happen, but I do think a 10 to 15 story building would be a really good deal here. Would be a great place for a large facility, and surely, with the amount of land it looks like this developer will be amassing, it is going to be such. It's certainly not big enough for a big strip center with a sea of parking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teo9969 View Post
    The absolute main reason why is because it would be another high-rise to view from my porch. Love sitting out smoking a cigar and staring at Valliance...Although, maybe another high rise would block Valliance :-O.

    I don't pretend to think that's going to happen, but I do think a 10 to 15 story building would be a really good deal here. Would be a great place for a large facility, and surely, with the amount of land it looks like this developer will be amassing, it is going to be such. It's certainly not big enough for a big strip center with a sea of parking.
    Belle Isle was supposed to have several 10-20 story towers in its original plan before it became a Wal-Mart Supercenter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchris02 View Post
    Belle Isle was supposed to have several 10-20 story towers in its original plan before it became a Wal-Mart Supercenter.
    do you know that never happened???? That area would be so much cooler. I love this, but man sometimes I think of it could be today and I just shake my head.

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    I would like to see some of the developments North Dallas is getting(like the State Farm Regional Facility in Plano. HALF A BILLION DOLLARS!!!!! It is huge and I think it tops out somewhere in the 15-20 stories range although most is shorter. I'll see if I can find a rendering) and place them along NW Expressway, C2S and hopefully Memorial and Penn will someday be widened to 6 lane roads and we will see huge infill projects like the regional manufacturing and managing complexes N Dallas seems to be getting announced on a weekly basis.


    I would love to see the GE research facility in C2S. That would jump start that area like no other and might get us something like the C2S renderings.

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    1) What kind of vacancy rates are there in the NW burbs and

    2) Maybe is in prep for some sort of expansion/interchange of Classen and NW Hiway to make it more high speed?

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    This area has been ideal for a scrape 'n build for years.

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    Interesting. Who was doing that development with multiple towers and why didn't they proceed? Guess I had missed that proposal. All the office I saw proposed was the residential style offices that are there between the shops and the cemetery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Interesting. Who was doing that development with multiple towers and why didn't they proceed? Guess I had missed that proposal. All the office I saw proposed was the residential style offices that are there between the shops and the cemetery.
    And don't forget Pearl's Graveside.

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    It was an epically botched urban development. We don't even talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    It was an epically botched urban development. We don't even talk about it.
    Thunder, I don't think it was ever intended to be an "urban development". That term wasn't even talked about much at the time. It just didn't happen as was originally presented.

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    Even with towers, it likely wouldn't have been particularly urban. The area where Wal-Mart currently rests would have been a great area for a lifestyle center and some 10 to 20 story towers, both residential and office, with a variety of entertainment and shopping options, not to mention the Mall being right there. The location is unparalleled on the NW side...It really is .the connection between the core and the NW burbs...you can get anywhere in the city in 20 minutes or les.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teo9969 View Post
    Even with towers, it likely wouldn't have been particularly urban. The area where Wal-Mart currently rests would have been a great area for a lifestyle center and some 10 to 20 story towers, both residential and office, with a variety of entertainment and shopping options, not to mention the Mall being right there. The location is unparalleled on the NW side...It really is .the connection between the core and the NW burbs...you can get anywhere in the city in 20 minutes or les.
    Lifestyle centers haven't been a popular concept here. Actually, Aubrey was working towards it at 63rd and Western area. And, one was blocked at 36th and Bway Extension. Until the urbanized lifestyle is shown and adopted here, downtown is the best and seemingly only area where it is totally embraced. As people see the value in it they will be more understanding and accepting of the quasi urban suburban life centers. But, rather than artificially create one, I think they will come from places like Capitol Hill, Britton, Bethany, 63rd, and May, etc., where there is already a concentration of people and business. While I agree Belle Isle would have been a great location for one, I don't really think one was ever planned for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Lifestyle centers haven't been a popular concept here. Actually, Aubrey was working towards it at 63rd and Western area. And, one was blocked at 36th and Bway Extension. Until the urbanized lifestyle is shown and adopted here, downtown is the best and seemingly only area where it is totally embraced. As people see the value in it they will be more understanding and accepting of the quasi urban suburban life centers. But, rather than artificially create one, I think they will come from places like Capitol Hill, Britton, Bethany, 63rd, and May, etc., where there is already a concentration of people and business. While I agree Belle Isle would have been a great location for one, I don't really think one was ever planned for.
    Wish someone would replace Shepherd Mall with one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Lifestyle centers haven't been a popular concept here. Actually, Aubrey was working towards it at 63rd and Western area. And, one was blocked at 36th and Bway Extension. Until the urbanized lifestyle is shown and adopted here, downtown is the best and seemingly only area where it is totally embraced. As people see the value in it they will be more understanding and accepting of the quasi urban suburban life centers. But, rather than artificially create one, I think they will come from places like Capitol Hill, Britton, Bethany, 63rd, and May, etc., where there is already a concentration of people and business. While I agree Belle Isle would have been a great location for one, I don't really think one was ever planned for.
    What makes OKC different from smaller markets like Wichita, Tulsa, Little Rock, etc that have all embraced the lifestyle center concept? That's not even considering what similar-sized cities have. Memphis, Louisville, Birmingham, Charlotte, etc have lifestyle center developments that are but a pipe dream in OKC. Personally, I don't think its OKC's fault for not embracing that type of development, but its developers' fault for not getting anything proposed until shortly before the 2008 crash, which of course resulted in the proposed projects being cancelled. Lifestyle centers aren't being built in the numbers they were built before 2008 anywhere. I wonder if maybe OKC missed its chance to ever have a real one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Lifestyle centers haven't been a popular concept here. Actually, Aubrey was working towards it at 63rd and Western area. And, one was blocked at 36th and Bway Extension. Until the urbanized lifestyle is shown and adopted here, downtown is the best and seemingly only area where it is totally embraced. As people see the value in it they will be more understanding and accepting of the quasi urban suburban life centers. But, rather than artificially create one, I think they will come from places like Capitol Hill, Britton, Bethany, 63rd, and May, etc., where there is already a concentration of people and business. While I agree Belle Isle would have been a great location for one, I don't really think one was ever planned for.
    I don't know if I agree with this. The Outlet shoppes is an outdoor lifestyle center. Classen Curve is an outdoor lifestyle center. Spring Creek Plaza and Spring Creek Village in Edmond are upscale lifestyle centers. Your outdoor shopping centers like Quail Springs MarketPlace and Belle Isle Station are outdoor strip centers.Then you have all of the new lifestyle centers in Moore (Riverwalk crossing) and the new one in Norman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    I don't know if I agree with this. The Outlet shoppes is an outdoor lifestyle center. Classen Curve is an outdoor lifestyle center. Spring Creek Plaza and Spring Creek Village in Edmond are upscale lifestyle centers. Your outdoor shopping centers like Quail Springs MarketPlace and Belle Isle Station are outdoor strip centers.Then you have all of the new lifestyle centers in Moore (Riverwalk crossing) and the new one in Norman.
    Lifestyle centers are not the same as shopping centers. And those areas you mention are not designed like lifestyle centers even in their retail areas. They are just shopping centers. Big difference. OKC has no lifestyle centers, in any way.

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