Tribe Casinos Regulate Themselves

[WATCHER]

It is just amazing that the State of Oklahoma would not have any control over the Indian Casinos in this state. The casinos are totally self regulated. I can imagine the huge profits that they have bragged about over the last several years when they regulate the amount of money that they take from customers. I started this new thread because my other threat suddenly disappeared. Maybe some of the posters were casino employees and didn't want the truth getting out about the low payouts in these casinos. No oversight and no regulation.

[blangtang]

I think you are right, there is something fishy going on here!

[Midtowner]

They're run by sovereign nations.

If you don't think casinos are good entertainment options for you, don't go. If you think you can make a career out of gambling, you're a moron. These are entertainment options, period. Of course they're going to make money. The only reason they should have any payouts at all is to entice folks to play. If you're running a casino, you want to pay out as little as possible without injuring your business. If the construction cranes surrounding damn near every casino around are evidence of the success or failure of these payout policies, then I guess they don't need WATCHER's help on how to run their businesses.

[WATCHER]

They're run by sovereign nations.

If you don't think casinos are good entertainment options for you, don't go. If you think you can make a career out of gambling, you're a moron. These are entertainment options, period. Of course they're going to make money. The only reason they should have any payouts at all is to entice folks to play. If you're running a casino, you want to pay out as little as possible without injuring your business. If the construction cranes surrounding damn near every casino around are evidence of the success or failure of these payout policies, then I guess they don't need WATCHER's help on how to run their businesses.

[QUOTE=Midtowner;539731]They're run by sovereign nations.



That is an interesting comment. Enticing people to play?? How is this done? They entice them to play by saying they have the largest payouts and more winners when in fact they have very low payouts and a very poor chance of anybody winning anything. Nobody walks into a casino to lose and the only entertainment is winning. When nobody is winning the entertainment value disappears and the scam begins. These casinos have been successful because they were drawing lots of people to their casinos because they were playing fair and the payouts were good. That isn't the case anymore. You are the moron if you think that casinos are just entertainment and the people who run those casinos are morons if they think it is just entertainment. The State of Oklahoma needs to intervene and regulate these Indian Casinos for the people they represent or just say they represent the casinos so the citizens understand which side the state government is on.

[Swake2]

Nobody walks into a casino to lose and the only entertainment is winning.

This is what you are missing. EVERYBODY that walks into a casino is going to lose eventually, there are no winners except the house, ever. Anyone that thinks otherwise is the moron.

State government has little to no say here. The casinos are regulated by NIGC, if you want payouts published petition the feds.

[WATCHER]

This is what you are missing. EVERYBODY that walks into a casino is going to lose eventually, there are no winners except the house, ever. Anyone that thinks otherwise is the moron.

State government has little to no say here. The casinos are regulated by NIGC, if you want payouts published petition the feds.

Soon the state will have everything to say about it because the courts are getting involved with the low payouts. State regulation is coming to Indian Country. Oklahoman's have figured out the scheme and changes are coming soon. As far as everyone losing when they play in a casino? I have a friend that turned in 80,000 dollars to the IRS in gambling winnings two years ago. Last year he turned in 40,000 dollars and so far this years he has only won around 5000 dollars. Can you see the trend son?

[Larry OKC]

Soon the state will have everything to say about it because the courts are getting involved with the low payouts. State regulation is coming to Indian Country. Oklahoman's have figured out the scheme and changes are coming soon. As far as everyone losing when they play in a casino? I have a friend that turned in 80,000 dollars to the IRS in gambling winnings two years ago. Last year he turned in 40,000 dollars and so far this years he has only won around 5000 dollars. Can you see the trend son?

Depends on which court and if they have jurisdiction. Don't forget as sovereign nation status, tribes have their own governments, including governors, judiciary, legislators etc.

How much did he put in of his own money? Is that amount in gross winnings or net? Sure someone can be in the right place at the right time and win big. Most gamblers I know (myself included) will talk about the jackpot they hit but rarely tell you about the 100s or 1,000s of dollars they put into the machine of their own money to get that jackpot. There are even professional gamblers out there that really do make a living at such things. They may exist, but I have never heard of a professional slot machine player. Poker, video poker etc, but not slots. But over the lifetime, things are going to eventually turn to where the house wins. In virtually every casino game, the odds are in the houses's favor. Some games have higher percentages than others but the fact remains, you may win 1 year, 2 years or even more, but eventually you are going to lose. To quote you: "can you see the trend?"

[WATCHER]

If the tribes can't self regulate they will need some help in the future. The gaming contract with the state will have to be amended to protect the citizens of the state. I think that the tribes are running out of time to regulate themselves because so far they have failed. Intervention may be on the way for Oklahoman's.

[Midtowner]

[QUOTE=WATCHER;539877]

They're run by sovereign nations.



That is an interesting comment. Enticing people to play?? How is this done? They entice them to play by saying they have the largest payouts and more winners when in fact they have very low payouts and a very poor chance of anybody winning anything. Nobody walks into a casino to lose and the only entertainment is winning. When nobody is winning the entertainment value disappears and the scam begins. These casinos have been successful because they were drawing lots of people to their casinos because they were playing fair and the payouts were good. That isn't the case anymore. You are the moron if you think that casinos are just entertainment and the people who run those casinos are morons if they think it is just entertainment. The State of Oklahoma needs to intervene and regulate these Indian Casinos for the people they represent or just say they represent the casinos so the citizens understand which side the state government is on.

Well then, maybe everyone will realize it's a scam and say home?

You can't fix stupid.

And your buddy who turned in all those winnings... how much did he lose? Sounds like someone has a serious problem.

[WATCHER]

[QUOTE=Midtowner;539979]

Well then, maybe everyone will realize it's a scam and say home?

You can't fix stupid.

And your buddy who turned in all those winnings... how much did he lose? Sounds like someone has a serious problem.

Not sure how much he invested. The guy makes about 500,000 a year with his ignorance. How are you doing with yours?

[Roadhawg]

[QUOTE=WATCHER;540014]

Not sure how much he invested. The guy makes about 500,000 a year with his ignorance. How are you doing with yours?

Guess it's you then since your friend seems to be winning. Maybe you just suck at gambling and are looking for an excuse.

[CuatrodeMayo]

I started this new thread because my other threat suddenly disappeared.

Don't surprised if this one follows a similar path.

[Pete]

That other thread didn't disappear, it was closed.

Had nothing to do with "truth getting out", it was more a matter of someone registering and posting for the exclusive purpose of bashing Indian casinos.


As stated, the whole reason these casinos operate in the first place is because the properties they sit on are self-governing. If you don't like the payouts, don't go.

Otherwise, what is there to discuss?

[WATCHER]

That other thread didn't disappear, it was closed.

Had nothing to do with "truth getting out", it was more a matter of someone registering and posting for the exclusive purpose of bashing Indian casinos.


As stated, the whole reason these casinos operate in the first place is because the properties they sit on are self-governing. If you don't like the payouts, don't go.

Otherwise, what is there to discuss?

Hey Pete!! There isn't anything wrong with talking about these unregulated casinos. People need to know about it. How long do you allow threads to be open here? Just because someone calls them out on the way they play isn't bashing these casinos. If anything it would make them play fair with our citizens and the tourist that pass through the state. I started that threat and was attacked by other posters that had nothing to add but berating me. I am sure that their are others that feel the same way I feel. Let's be fair to the posters here.

[WATCHER]

That other thread didn't disappear, it was closed.

Had nothing to do with "truth getting out", it was more a matter of someone registering and posting for the exclusive purpose of bashing Indian casinos.


As stated, the whole reason these casinos operate in the first place is because the properties they sit on are self-governing. If you don't like the payouts, don't go.

Otherwise, what is there to discuss?

It may be time to end the self governing status of the tribes in this state because citizens of this state are getting involved. I stopped playing several months ago because I caught on to the low payouts but I do like to play when playing is fair. Self governing or not a person should expect to be treated fairly on Indian Land and if it isn't fair then The State should get involved. This is America and not Indian Country anymore. These tribes should have to live under our laws and our rules.

[Garin]

How can a gas station be self governing Pete? Remington Park wasn't self governing until the Indians bought it.....

[Pete]

Remington Park is a different matter and required specific government exceptions.

[WATCHER]

Remington Park is a different matter and required specific government exceptions.

Remington Park only has the Class III machines. The same as the machines in Las Vegas. The Class II machines are being called bingo games at this point but that could change in 2014 if the courts decide in favor of the state. The Class II machines are the bread and butter of the casinos.

[Garin]

Pete the Indians purchase land from farmers and or individuals throw up a building and call it Indian land, it is what it is that's all.

[Pete]

Actually, I over-simplified the nature of Indian Gaming regulation.


For Class III gaming (slot machines, etc.) each state has it's own tribal-state agreements.

You can read more about Oklahoma's compact here:

http://ok.gov/OSF/faqs.html#c252

Indian tribes are the primary regulators of Class II gaming. Regulation of Class III gaming may be addressed in Tribal-State compacts and varies by state with tribes remaining the primary regulator in most states. In Oklahoma, the tribes are the primary regulators of both Class II and Class III gaming. Both Class II and Class III gaming are subject to the provisions of the IGRA and oversight by the NIGC.

[WATCHER]

Actually, I over-simplified the nature of Indian Gaming regulation.


For Class III gaming (slot machines, etc.) each state has it's own tribal-state agreements.

You can read more about Oklahoma's compact here:

http://ok.gov/OSF/faqs.html#c252

You are correct about them regulating the Class II games and for some reason the State of Oklahoma decided not to regulate their payout percentages so in reality they can set their machines to zero payout if they choose to do so. That isn't fair to the citizens of Oklahoma that play in their casinos and most of them are retired elderly people. From what I understand the citizens are getting angry about the payouts and I have heard that there is a lawsuit pending in Tulsa over those payouts. I guess we will see how it turns out in court. It doesn't hurt anything for people to be aware of how these casinos operate.

[BDK]

Pete, as part of the updates to the site, can you install a kook filter?

[WATCHER]

Pete, as part of the updates to the site, can you install a kook filter?

Why would you want to be filtered out. I like this website.

[RadicalModerate]

Ye Olde General Rule of Gaming on Ye Thresholde of the Cusp of The Colonial American Frontier (c.1663):
Wisdom does not dictateth f*****king around with The Natives fishing rightes.
Including the suckers who play slot machines.
When the Natives have enough money sell them derivitives
In a Market-place without walls or streets.

[Roadhawg]

I started this new thread because my other threat suddenly disappeared.

That's hard to believe