Kd's Restaurant / Legacy Grill

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[category=]Bricktown[/category]
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[category=]Lower Bricktown[/category]
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Address: 308 Johnny Bench Drive Phone: (405) 701-3535 Hours: Mon-Thu 4 pm - 10 pm Fri-Sat 11 am - 11 pm Sun 11 am - 10 pm Development: Lower Bricktown Status: Opened Dec 2013 Links: Official Website Menu Facebook Page Yelp Urban Spoon Eat Around OKC

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Operated by the Hal Smith Group
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[Spartan]

This is what was supposed to go there:

[catch22]

1 story?

Odd.... Steve?

[Pete]

Yes, one story.

And 10,200 square feet is a lot. Toby Keith's is 14,000.

[Chicken In The Rough]

Suburbanization of Bricktown?

[Just the facts]

Suburbanization of Bricktown?

It will just be less that has to be torn down when we get around to fixing Lower Bricktown.

[kevinpate]

perhaps a small dining spot, and an even smaller pub, and a bit of retail? Nice thing about shells, they are flexible little boxes.

[onthestrip]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

[jedicurt]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

my thoughts as well... i was hoping for at least two stories... but was really thinking a 3/4 story, with the upper level (2 levels if it's 4) be residential, and the lower two floors be low end retail and restaurant

[Watson410]

Seems like a bit of a waste to only go one story

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

[Just the facts]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

The main problem with LB is that the buildings are too wide. Instead of a single building with 100 feet of canal frontage they should of had 5 to 7 individual storefronts covering the same space. The volume should come from depth and height, not width.

Like this except with a canal, not a street.

[BoulderSooner]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

toby keith's has a second floor ..

[CuatrodeMayo]

toby keith's has a second floor ..

More like a small mezzanine.

[onthestrip]

Do you consider Toby Keith's a waste of space only being one story? Seems pretty successful to me... There wouldn't be much foot traffic on the second floor either, IMO, since the second level from Earl's Rib Palace wouldn't be connected to it. I don't see many people walking up stairs to go to one store...

Toby Keith's does have a sort of second story but it's a giant themed restaurant that also is a concert hall. So some heighth is needed. And Of course you wouldn't put retail on the second floor of this new building. Office or residential is what the second floor would be used for.
Seems like a waste of canal frontage for wide, expansive, one story, single use buildings to be placed there. But hey, that's just me.

[catch22]

Toby Keith's does have a sort of second story but it's a giant themed restaurant that also is a concert hall. So some heighth is needed. And Of course you wouldn't put retail on the second floor of this new building. Office or residential is what the second floor would be used for.
Seems like a waste of canal frontage for wide, expansive, one story, single use buildings to be placed there. But hey, that's just me.

That's lower bricktown for you. Harkins, Sonic (albeit multi story), Toby Keiths, Bass Pro...

[wschnitt]

Curious, how is that building in the picture that Nick posted one story? Sure looks two to me.

I read that caption as being "this was what was originally planned"

[CuatrodeMayo]

Curious, how is that building in the picture that Nick posted one story? Sure looks two to me.

It's a fake second story (fake architecture in Bricktown, imagine that). Spring Creek Plaza in Edmond is the same way.

[Spartan]

It's a fake second story (fake architecture in Bricktown, imagine that). Spring Creek Plaza in Edmond is the same way.

So that rendering is still accurate? I just recalled when that was originally proposed in 2008...

[Ginkasa]

Supposedly its another restaurant from the Hal Smith group. Word on the street says its going to be a steak house with another celebrity name attached, but that name hasn't been decided yet.

[Pete]

Toby Keith's is 26 feet high and this one will be 22.

[Spartan]

I wasn't really following the TK Warrior responses, but did that one slip past the general past consensus that TK's I Love This Bar and Grill is in fact precisely a big EIFS waste of space?

[Spartan]

What do any of you guys expect for Lower Bricktown though, honestly?

I'm curious where exactly any of us are getting these expectations that quality development should be happening around downtown. What makes us feel like we have the right to demand development that doesn't harm our public investment in downtown areas? On what basis are we wanting to tell a private property owner what they can do with their property when there isn't even a political will in City Hall or BUDC or DDRC to do so?

This is just the exact same crap from the last 10-20 years. Are you all not just over it by now? Face the facts. Stop pretending this isn't Oklahoma City.

[catch22]

What do any of you guys expect for Lower Bricktown though, honestly?

I'm curious where exactly any of us are getting these expectations that quality development should be happening around downtown.

Exactly. As long as suburban OKC continues to build itself around the automobile, we will see half-baked attempts at downtown development. Although lately, we have been getting better developments....

Without sending this thread off on a tangent, Bricktown's success and uphill struggle is it's tourism. We could probably get better development if it weren't for the tourist aspect and creating parking spaces for all of those tourists. But Bricktown's lifeline is also it's tourist traffic.

Bricktown is good, I just think it could be a lot better.

[Urbanized]

Exactly. As long as suburban OKC continues to build itself around the automobile, we will see half-baked attempts at downtown development. Although lately, we have been getting better developments....

Without sending this thread off on a tangent, Bricktown's success and uphill struggle is it's tourism. We could probably get better development if it weren't for the tourist aspect and creating parking spaces for all of those tourists. But Bricktown's lifeline is also it's tourist traffic.

Bricktown is good, I just think it could be a lot better.

I disagree with the assessment that the big swaths of parking in Bricktown are primarily for "tourists." I interact with tourists, out-of-town business people, Bricktown workers and locals on a daily basis, and have for 10 years. "Tourists" mostly use the district the way many on here would like to see it used; IF THEY ARE IN A CAR AT ALL, they find a parking lot somewhere - anywhere - get out of their cars, and WALK the district. They are now the largest users of the Power Alley garage (hotel guests), followed by Bricktown employees. Locals mostly can't be bothered to use the garage, because they see it as an inconvenience and want surface parking instead.

Many tourists have told me they like downtown OKC and Bricktown specifically because they feel they don't even need a car at all when here.

Tourists are the ONLY people who utilize the trolleys, as far as I can tell. They don't gripe about walking, ever (and also never gripe about paying to park; in fact most of them think it's funny that Okies get riled up over $5 parking).

The giant swaths of parking in Bricktown are there to satisfy suburban OKC visitors who pack the place on weekends and event nights, want parking as close to their venue as possible, of course want this strip-mall style parking for nothing or next to it. They want to roll in for lunch, park a few feet away, and roll right back out. Those are the people who have created the demand, and many of those are the people who have griped about a "lack" of parking for years to anyone who would listen, creating a relatively baseless perception that drove development of even more spaces.

OKC folks should really get over viewing "tourists" or visitors in a negative light. While I agree that "tourist-Y" is not good (we need authenticity in downtown, which oddly enough most tourists would prefer anyway), touristS are just people who drop off new money in our economy without asking that much in return.

[Larry OKC]

I disagree with the assessment that the big swaths of parking in Bricktown are primarily for "tourists." I interact with tourists, out-of-town business people, Bricktown workers and locals on a daily basis, and have for 10 years. "Tourists" mostly use the district the way many on here would like to see it used; IF THEY ARE IN A CAR AT ALL, they find a parking lot somewhere, get out of their cars, and WALK the district. They are now the largest users of the Power Alley garage (hotel guests), followed by Bricktown employees. Locals mostly can't be bothered to use the garage, because they see it as an inconvenience and want surface parking.

Many tourists have told me they like downtown OKC and Bricktown specifically because they feel they don't even need a car at all when here.

Tourists are the ONLY people who utilize the trolleys, as far as I can tell. They don't gripe about walking, ever (and also never gripe about paying to park, in fact most of them think it's funny that Okies get riled up over $5 parking).

The giant swaths of parking in Bricktown are there to satisfy suburban OKC visitors who pack the place on weekends and event nights, want parking as close to their venue as possible, of course want this strip-mall style parking for nothing or next to it. Those are the people who have created the demand, and those are the people who have griped about a "lack" of parking for years to anyone who would listen, creating a relatively baseless perception.

OKC folks should really get over viewing "tourists" or visitors in a negative light. While I agree that "tourist-Y" is not good (we need authenticity in downtown, which oddly enough tourists would prefer anyway), touristS are just people who drop off new money in our economy without asking that much in return.

Funny how that "perception" is quickly becoming reality (even the City admits this now in recent articles by Steve)