Evil Apple

[Thunder]

Who here have any iCrap devices? All those that does should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm surprised no discussion was started on this topic. Anyone aware of what Apple is attempting to do? Well...attempting...and actively doing. Apple has been bullying many other companies. Why? Apple believe they should be the only one to sell iCrap devices such as smartphones (iCrap) and those mini-computers "iPad" which is also iCrap. Apple want to terminate the production of superior Android, Tablet, and the list goes on and on.

Apple want the consumers to have only one option. To buy from Apple. HELL NO!!!

[Bunty]

If Apple is far superior to Microsoft Windows, then why the hell doesn't it rule? It seems plenty of people think Windows is a far, far inferior operating system, yet it still easily rules.

[Wishbone]

If Apple is far superior to Microsoft Windows, then why the hell doesn't it rule? It seems plenty of people think Windows is a far, far inferior operating system, yet it still easily rules.

That's easy, cost.

[BBatesokc]

That's easy, cost.

and more available 3rd party access to integration.

[kevinpate]

Was Franklin considered an Apple clone? I seem to recall my small juco had a Franklin or four in its com lab in the mid-80's

[Larry OKC]

Was Franklin considered an Apple clone? I seem to recall my small juco had a Franklin or four in its com lab in the mid-80's

Only familiar w/Power Computing. As far as I know they were the only authorized computer maker other than Apple that used the Mac OS. Can't say I have heard of Franklin. My first exposure to computers was at the juco too. Took a Basic programing class on Wang computers (1984ish). LOL

And IIRC at that time those weren't "personal computers" yet, but just terminals connected to a central mainframe computer. When my Metrotech class toured the Oklahoman Tower, the only personal computers we saw even then were the Macs in the ad dept (92 or 93). The reporters were still using terminals and a massive mainframe computer that we got to give a gander.

[ctchandler]

Bunty,
Cloning, and IBM (which threw their support behind the PC) drove prices down. Apple wouldn't allow cloning and they had a lot of problems hanging on in the 80's. But don't forget, Windows was Microsoft's crummy attempt to do what the Apple products have done for many years. It's taken a long time but Windows 7 is a pretty good product.
C. T.

If Apple is far superior to Microsoft Windows, then why the hell doesn't it rule? It seems plenty of people think Windows is a far, far inferior operating system, yet it still easily rules.

[BBatesokc]

Bunty,
Cloning, and IBM (which threw their support behind the PC) drove prices down. Apple wouldn't allow cloning and they had a lot of problems hanging on in the 80's. But don't forget, Windows was Microsoft's crummy attempt to do what the Apple products have done for many years. It's taken a long time but Windows 7 is a pretty good product.
C. T.

I still have a Power Computing Apple clone in my attic. What a nightmare that company was to deal with. While the lack of cloning and 3rd party integration stifled Apple's market penetration, I feel it helped them produce a superior product.

[ctchandler]

I was an IT professional and kept up with a lot of this but I really don't remember an Apple clone. Thanks for the info. I always compared Apple's problems versus PCs to Sony's Betamax versus VHS. They both had quality on their side (although Betamax had a few problems with things like limited recording time on a cartridge) but Sony limited the manufacturers that could produce and sell the Betamax player/recorder. Since VHS could be manufactured by anybody, their inferior product became the standard and Betamax tucked it's tail between it's legs and went away. At least Apple survived.
C. T.

I still have a Power Computing Apple clone in my attic. What a nightmare that company was to deal with. While the lack of cloning and 3rd party integration stifled Apple's market penetration, I feel it helped them produce a superior product.

[TaoMaas]

Since VHS could be manufactured by anybody, their inferior product became the standard and Betamax tucked it's tail between it's legs and went away.

Beta only went away as a home format. It kinda morphed a bit and became the industry standard for professional video news gathering up until digital came along.

[HewenttoJared]

As someone who sells every kind of tablet, I can assure that Android tablets are not exactly dominating our sales right now.

[BBatesokc]

I call "iCrap" on your assertion Thunder. What Apple IS doing is protecting their patents. Seems they do all the innovation and then other companies come along and try and steal their work. And, the Android tablet has yet to even get a foothold and is not even close to being superior.

[Thunder]

I call "iCrap" on your assertion Thunder. What Apple IS doing is protecting their patents. Seems they do all the innovation and then other companies come along and try and steal their work. And, the Android tablet has yet to even get a foothold and is not even close to being superior.

Error! Brian needs help!

The patents that Apple applied for was too broad and should never been approved. The whole patent system needs a major complete overhaul. One of the patents Apple got was motions by hand/finger on screen. WHAT THE HELL?! Obviously people can see how stupid Apple is. They are a bunch of crybabies when other companies produce bigger and better products. We don't see Ford crying and suing all automakers for copying their invention of 4 wheels. We don't see brand name companies suing for production of similar generic brand. The bottom line, and this is fact, Apple is a pathetic joke.

[Lord Helmet]

Error! Brian needs help!

The patents that Apple applied for was too broad and should never been approved.

How is that Apple's fault?

[Richard at Remax]

Long Live Blackberry

[Swake2]

Long Live Blackberry

Dead man walking…..BlackBerry is going to be this year’s Palm.


Here’s a funny quote I read about BackBerry/RIM “RIM is already dead, it’s just the corpse hasn’t started stinking yet”.

[BBatesokc]

Speaking of Palm. My wife has had the Palm Pixi cell phone since it came out and she hates that she is going to have to go with something else when she upgrades. The phone has held up great and she loves the features. But their app market is pitiful.

I used to have the Palm Centro - loved it. Prior to that I used Palm handheld organizers. Such a shame.

[BBatesokc]

I agree - something in this thread is a "pathetic joke" - but its not Apple.

[Thunder]

C'mon, Brian, you know Apple shouldn't be bullying other companies. We have the right to choose what we want. Why would you support a patent made by Apple that prevent other companies making smartphones with same hand motion?! This doesn't even make sense.

[Roadhawg]

C'mon, Brian, you know Apple shouldn't be bullying other companies. We have the right to choose what we want. Why would you support a patent made by Apple that prevent other companies making smartphones with same hand motion?! This doesn't even make sense.

It's called proprietary... Proprietary software is computer software licensed under exclusive legal right of the copyright holder. The licensee is given the right to use the software under certain conditions, but restricted from other uses, such as modification, further distribution, or reverse engineering. Just as you would trademark a name for your company you can trademark the things made/developed/invented by that company that prevents others from copying it. Why would companies spend millions of dollars developing a product if others can just copy it for free?

[SoonerDave]

It's called proprietary... Proprietary software is computer software licensed under exclusive legal right of the copyright holder. The licensee is given the right to use the software under certain conditions, but restricted from other uses, such as modification, further distribution, or reverse engineering. Just as you would trademark a name for your company you can trademark the things made/developed/invented by that company that prevents others from copying it. Why would companies spend millions of dollars developing a product if others can just copy it for free?

The issue here is even more fundamental - patents.

In an ideal world, someone gets a good idea or process, files the paperwork, and gets a patent. In practice, however, you have large companies with scads of lawyers who file patent claims on just about everything you can imagine - and some things you can't. The intellectual property world in which we now live really exposes the weaknesses in our current patent law system.

I have no problem with a patentholder protecting their interests. By the same token, trying to patent every inane incarnation of some aspect of a process with no real intent to leverage it is nothing more than the old Internet domain homesteaders of a few years ago. No value-add, nothing new to the table, just a stake in the ground to make profit out of hole cloth.

Apple hates Android's success in general. In the business world, there's an axiom that if you can't compete, litigate, and that's precisely what Apple is trying to do - litigate Android out of business under the guise of patent protection. It may follow the legal letter of the law, but it is at best a disingenuous effort to eliminate a competitor. But because Apple is the one doing it, and they tend to retain "favored nation" status in the media, no one calls them on it. The media is so enamored of the "gee-whiz" Apple store and the inherently chic, trendy social status implied with anything having the Apple logo, they just figure they're too cool to investigate negatively.

U.S. patent law is archaic and needs to be overhauled. Unfortunately, the last intellectual property law overhaul gave us the asinine and hideous Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which was created primarily at the behest of movie studios to circumvent the ability of private individuals from collecting their own, legally obtained library of movies....but that's a separate thread.

[Of Sound Mind]

Apple hates Android's success in general. In the business world, there's an axiom that if you can't compete, litigate, and that's precisely what Apple is trying to do - litigate Android out of business under the guise of patent protection. It may follow the legal letter of the law, but it is at best a disingenuous effort to eliminate a competitor.

I don't think Apple hates Android's success as much as the way Google likes to generously and shamelessly "borrow" others' intellectual property, as this writer points out:

Judge Alsup — the federal judge presiding over this litigation — attaches a great deal of importance to that particular document. At a recent hearing, he essentially said that a good trial lawyer would just need that document “and the Magna Carta” (arguably the origin of common law) to win this case on Oracle’s behalf and have Google found to infringe Oracle’s rights willfully. The judge told Google that “you are going to be on the losing end of this document” with “profound implications for a permanent injunction”. Let me add that a finding of willful infringement would not only make an injunction much more likely than otherwise. It can also result in a tripling of whatever damages will be awarded. […]

It’s certainly remarkable that those two emails show a consistent attitude: the Android team basically says “let’s just infringe” whenever an intellectual property issue comes up. If they did this to Oracle, what about the intellectual property of other companies like Apple, Microsoft, eBay and Skyhook?

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...ling-over.html

[SoonerDave]

I don't think Apple hates Android's success as much as the way Google likes to generously and shamelessly "borrow" others' intellectual property, as this writer points out:

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...ling-over.html

Understand, but the "shameless borrowing" wouldn't amount to a hill of beans had Android never seen any traction in the marketplace.

[BBatesokc]

It's called proprietary... Proprietary software is computer software licensed under exclusive legal right of the copyright holder. The licensee is given the right to use the software under certain conditions, but restricted from other uses, such as modification, further distribution, or reverse engineering. Just as you would trademark a name for your company you can trademark the things made/developed/invented by that company that prevents others from copying it. Why would companies spend millions of dollars developing a product if others can just copy it for free?

Exactly. Speaking of trademarks. I exercise mine regularly. Several media outlets pay me to use the name Video Vigilante, because I own the trademark on it (along with others). That, that you cease to enforce, you cease to own.

Don't blame Apple, blame whomever granted them the patent.

[redrunner]