Will MAPS 4 be ready to address...

[Laramie]

...Oklahoma City will be ready to construct an NFL stadium by 2020. I believe this MAPS tax will expire in 2017-18 and the NFL will be ready for expansion and relocation.

Our population should be ready to accommodate both the NBA and NFL.

Oklahoma City should exceed 650,000 (Central City) and 1.6 million (Metropolitan Area) with 3.1 million in a 100-mile radius of OKC. That would make us as comparable to the current central city population areas of Milwaukee, Boston and Washington D. C. and the metro areas of Nashville, Charlotte and Indianapolis.

What are your thoughts and comments?

[rcjunkie]

Pro Basketball already here
Pro Baseball already here (Minor League)
Pro Hockey was here, now it's gone will be back soon (Minor Leauge)

While I like the growth of our City, Professional Football will never be in OKC, can't compete with OU, the local market could not handle both.

[smooth]

Pro Basketball already here
Pro Baseball already here (Minor League)
Pro Hockey was here, now it's gone will be back soon (Minor Leauge)

While I like the growth of our City, Professional Football will never be in OKC, can't compete with OU, the local market could not handle both.

Gee! I really wish I had your talent to predict the future until the end of time. Tell me. When will the end of time be?

[gmwise]

Gee! I really wish I had your talent to predict the future until the end of time. Tell me. When will the end of time be?

December 23, 2012

[kevinpate]

December 23, 2012

Speak for yerself and yer Mayan friends. I'll be celebrating Christmas two days afterwards with my grandkiddos. But hey, we'll tip a glass of eggnog in rememberance of ya.

[gmwise]

Speak for yerself and yer Mayan friends. I'll be celebrating Christmas two days afterwards with my grandkiddos. But hey, we'll tip a glass of eggnog in rememberance of ya.

lol

[rcjunkie]

Gee! I really wish I had your talent to predict the future until the end of time. Tell me. When will the end of time be?

Not sure when the "End of Time" will come, but the day when you lack "CLASS" has arrived.

One last prediction, I predict your a lonely troll that's searches chat rooms and local threads looking for a friend, or at least someone that will talk to you------------keep looking.

[lasomeday]

Just think what all we will have by the time MAPS 4 rolls around.

We will have a world class Native American Cultural Center, Olympic Rwoing and White Water Rafting Training Facilities on the Oklahoma River, the Devon Tower, Parks connecting downtown to the river with the "needs a new name central park", convention center (hopefully where the mill is located), revamped Myriad Gardens, banjo museum, first class streetscapes for downtown, trails that connect the city, Humphrey's will have the Ferris Wheel on the river, OCU Law School downtown, ACM will have outgrown everythng and have multiple buildings in Bricktown, the neighborhoods around downtown will be growing from the ground up, developers will be fighting over land, just to name a few things.

Hopefully we will in the next 4 to 10 years have a highrise residential building boom like Austin has had. That would be awesome! If one goes up, then more will come!

So, what could we do with MAPS 4. MAPS4 should build on MAPS 1 and MAPS 3. It could add to the canal, street cars lines, and be primarily Light Rail focused.

It could also incorporate more inner city elements like an aquarium and museum of energy (focusing on the states history of oil, coal, hydroelectric, natural gas, wind, and solar power).

Possibly a botanical garden (probably not downtown, but somewhere with topography).

So, those are a few ideas besides a stadium, that would continue the MAPS success.

[rcjunkie]

Just think what all we will have by the time MAPS 4 rolls around.

We will have a world class Native American Cultural Center, Olympic Rwoing and White Water Rafting Training Facilities on the Oklahoma River, the Devon Tower, Parks connecting downtown to the river with the "needs a new name central park", convention center (hopefully where the mill is located), revamped Myriad Gardens, banjo museum, first class streetscapes for downtown, trails that connect the city, Humphrey's will have the Ferris Wheel on the river, OCU Law School downtown, ACM will have outgrown everythng and have multiple buildings in Bricktown, the neighborhoods around downtown will be growing from the ground up, developers will be fighting over land, just to name a few things.

Hopefully we will in the next 4 to 10 years have a highrise residential building boom like Austin has had. That would be awesome! If one goes up, then more will come!

So, what could we do with MAPS 4. MAPS4 should build on MAPS 1 and MAPS 3. It could add to the canal, street cars lines, and be primarily Light Rail focused.

It could also incorporate more inner city elements like an aquarium and museum of energy (focusing on the states history of oil, coal, hydroelectric, natural gas, wind, and solar power).

Possibly a botanical garden (probably not downtown, but somewhere with topography).

So, those are a few ideas besides a stadium, that would continue the MAPS success.

Well said and I couldn't agree more.

[smooth]

Not sure when the "End of Time" will come, but the day when you lack "CLASS" has arrived.

One last prediction, I predict your a lonely troll that's searches chat rooms and local threads looking for a friend, or at least someone that will talk to you------------keep looking.

I bet you are one of those who said Oklahoma City will never have a major league team of any kind... Well... Welcome to never.

One more point. Oklahoma City was to be the home of the NFL Cardinals. The only deal breaker was the fact OU will not allow anyone else to use their stadium. We are on the list of NFL expansion sites.

So much for your ability to see until the end of time.

[rcjunkie]

I bet you are one of those who said Oklahoma City will never have a major league team of any kind... Well... Welcome to never.

One more point. Oklahoma City was to be the home of the NFL Cardinals. The only deal breaker was the fact OU will not allow anyone else to use their stadium. We are on the list of NFL expansion sites.

So much for your ability to see until the end of time.

Wrong----Again. I've always believed that one day we would have and support either a Major League Baseball team or an NBA Team, however, a NFL Team is another thing. An NFL Team would have to average 65,000-80,000 to be profitable, with OU, OSU and the Dallas Cowboys only a 3 drive, the OKC market can't handle all 4.

Have a Great Day and keep Trolling.

[windowphobe]

I think it's more likely that Tulsa will get its first major-league team (NHL or MLS) before Oklahoma City gets a second: there's only so much personal income in any given market, and it's more than twice as hard to support two teams as it is one.

I wrote on this last week:

Portfolio.com/bizjournals has come up with a methodology for determining whether a given metropolitan market can support a major-league sports team, based on available personal income for that market, less whatever it takes to support existing teams there.

On this basis, there are almost enough dollars to support MLS soccer in Oklahoma City without affecting the existing NBA team, but not close to the amount needed for the NHL or the NFL. (The requirements for Major League Baseball are considerably stiffer, no doubt owing to the utter lack of controls over salaries; only two additional markets could support MLB.) Interestingly, Seattle, which currently has three teams, falls slightly short of NBA support, as Clay Bennett could probably have told you.

But $40 billion in personal income is enough, says this study, to support a team other than baseball. And that leaves the field open for Tulsa, which comes in a hair short of $40 billion. The NBA is unlikely, for obvious reasons; but Tulsa has the potential to support soccer or hockey, or even the NFL, were there a suitable venue for the latter. (The NHL would likely be very happy with the BOk Center.)

This does not mean necessarily that the NFL will be eyeing Tulsa as a possible expansion market: there are plenty of bigger ones out there, and the first order of business likely will be placing a team in Los Angeles.

And a lot can happen between now and 2020.

dustbury.com Where shall we put a team?

[theparkman81]

I think it's more likely that Tulsa will get its first major-league team (NHL or MLS) before Oklahoma City gets a second: there's only so much personal income in any given market, and it's more than twice as hard to support two teams as it is one.

I wrote on this last week:



This does not mean necessarily that the NFL will be eyeing Tulsa as a possible expansion market: there are plenty of bigger ones out there, and the first order of business likely will be placing a team in Los Angeles.

And a lot can happen between now and 2020.

dustbury.com Where shall we put a team?

I can't see Tulsa getting a NFL team, there are so many cities that are way ahead of them like LA and San Antoino, I thought I also read somewhere that Portland Oregon was even talking about the NFL as well, but anyways if a NFL team ever decide to come here, lets put it between OKC and Tulsa, like at Stroud, and built a big stadium there.

[easternobserver]

calling MLS major league isnt really accurate....i mean, we could probably get major league lacrosse or austrailian rules football, but that isnt the same as the nba, mlb, nfl, or to a slightly lesser degree nhl

[theparkman81]

NFL would be great, but I doubt it, If there is a maps 4, They should built a soccer stadium (for a MLS team) by the river, but if that doesn't happen, then expand the bricktown ballpark for a MLB team, I always think that the next major league franchise to come to our great city will be either Major League Soccer or Major League Baseball.

[NE Oasis]

I can't see the NFL in OKC. NCAA football is very well established, and NFL tickets make NBA tickets look like a real bargain. My crystal ball shows Edmond trying to land a MLS team to get some of the pro sports revenue.

[rcjunkie]

I can't see the NFL in OKC. NCAA football is very well established, and NFL tickets make NBA tickets look like a real bargain. My crystal ball shows Edmond trying to land a MLS team to get some of the pro sports revenue.

Your right on about the NFL Tickets/Costs, my son and I went to the Cowboy's / Redskins game in Arlington (new Cowboys Stadium), game tickets $178 each, parking $40, meals/drinks $60.

[RedDirt717]

Your right on about the NFL Tickets/Costs, my son and I went to the Cowboy's / Redskins game in Arlington (new Cowboys Stadium), game tickets $178 each, parking $40, meals/drinks $60.

That's true, but there are far fewer games then in the NBA season.

When you compare 10 homes games (8 if you just count regular season) to 40 home games they end up being pretty similar in price.

I think the next pull in the next ten years will be for a MLS team. It would be well supported here and a safe bet with the league being so young. If it didn't work out it would be much less controversial to move it or dissolve it than an NFL or MLS team, which would be a huge gamble even if our population numbers and relative wealth continued to go up. I always believed that Oklahoma could support an NBA team or an NHL team, even MLB would probably work here, but NFL would really have to dig in to compete with the 100,000+ people that attend OU and OSU football games every Saturday.

[gmwise]

Edmond?

I dont see them interested in anything but a "pro lacrosse team"..

[Laramie]

Windowprobe:

Thanks for the info on "Where shall we put a team?" I'm see the reasoning and logic!

Just as you said: " And a lot can happen between now and 2020."

I know 2020 is a long ways from now and I think that Oklahoma City is on the right track!

[mugofbeer]

If OKC were to try to build a football stadium, I doubt it would be on the par of JerryWorld. That thing is truly over the top. Cost was what? $1.3 billion when all said and done? Pray for Jerry to never have a bad team. That will bankrupt him.

[Lord Helmet]

I'd rather have MLS than NFL at this point. A soccer stadium downtown would be awesom, and we'd be one of the few teams in the league with a soccer specific stadium that wasn't in a suburb.

[Kerry]

I'd rather have MLS than NFL at this point. A soccer stadium downtown would be awesom, and we'd be one of the few teams in the league with a soccer specific stadium that wasn't in a suburb.

I agree, I would rather see a 30,000 seat stadium for soccer than an NFL team.

[kevinpate]

... would rather see a 30,000 seat stadium for soccer than an NFL team.

Not having a fav team, mascot, dancer, cheerlass, or even a fantasy league bet in either sport, either/neither is fine by me.

But, for giggles and sniggles, should someone elect to build a stadium for one or the other downtown, where downtown makes the most sense? Seems like a lot of prime real estate for a part-time venue?

[john60]

The most recent small to mid-size markets with expansion in the NFL have been Charlotte, Jacksonville, and Nashville. Jacksonville is doing terribly right now from what I've read, but then again, Charlotte and Tennessee have done really well. I would hope that we'd be closer to 1996 Charlotte (had the Hornets at the time to compete with even) than 1996 Jacksonville in 2020, but I'd bet that based on how badly things have been going in Jacksonville lately, the NFL might be a little hesitant to expand to OKC just because of that. We're probably more like Charlotte in 10 years, but I'm afraid the small-town perception may be there among the NFL brass, unfortunately.

The MLS idea is interesting too. A venue like that would be great for a downtown outdoor concert venue for 30,000 + people. Pizza Hut park in Frisco banks on that kind of stuff.