Global Overpopulation: How Serious is it?

[HVAC Instructor]

In a word: Extremely.

Forget Global Warming. How many humans can this planet sustain? Do you think the Earth can sustain unlimited population growth? Does China have the right idea with the one-child policy?

Before you answer, watch this video series and do the math:

[Bunty]

Oh, well, the skscapers fans would probably say we need to build up and up to put increasing numbers of people.

[MikeOKC]

Oh, well, the skscapers fans would probably say we need to build up and up to put increasing numbers of people.

Building "up" needs a certain class of people. Look at S. Central LA/Compton at the high-rise projects. Crime traps. It's become so bad they've been torn down in many cities and replaced with more manageable low-income housing. But the projects and their gangs will always be the projects, tall, spread out, whatever. Can you imagine Zimbabwe with Mugabe's thugs running high-rise buildings for the poor? EGAD! In fact, most of Africa. Hate to say it, but it's true.

[mugofbeer]

Maybe before implementing a one child policy, they should start by reducing the numbers of illigitimate children, children born purely so the parents can stay in the US, unwanted children and pregnancies and teenage pregnancy.

[gmwise]

I think we should restrict the number of slow wits....lets get started....
Where's the Republican voters lists...lol

[RedDirt717]

I think we should restrict the number of slow wits....lets get started....
Where's the Republican voters lists...lol

Fascist.

[decepticobra]

interesting video, but this professor with all his calculations is forgetting one crucial factor: technology. There has been a lot of technological advances concerning energy consumption, and even more are coming in the years to come. The only real issue at hand is that the world may become so overcrowded by people that there may someday be an issue over available lands being occupied by people already: both living and the deceased. Have you ever done the calculations regarding just how many corpses/cemetaries it would take to fill up all of the land area in the U.S.? Consider that calculation by also considering the increasing rate of childbirth, death, and immigration: both naturalized and illegal and the numbers become a serious concern over time.

by the way, the student in the foreground at 7:48 looks a lot like the late Nick Berg,..creepy.

[HVAC Instructor]

interesting video, but this professor with all his calculations is forgetting one crucial factor: technology. There has been a lot of technological advances concerning energy consumption, and even more are coming in the years to come. The only real issue at hand is that the world may become so overcrowded by people that there may someday be an issue over available lands being occupied by people already: both living and the deceased. Have you ever done the calculations regarding just how many corpses/cemetaries it would take to fill up all of the land area in the U.S.? Consider that calculation by also considering the increasing rate of childbirth, death, and immigration: both naturalized and illegal and the numbers become a serious concern over time.

by the way, the student in the foreground at 7:48 looks a lot like the late Nick Berg,..creepy.

Actually the prof did address technology; maybe you missed those parts. There are a total of 8 videos.

I have wondered for years about how much real estated is used for cemetary's. What a waste of prime real estate. Cremation saves land....Hmmmm.....But does it contribute to global warmng? But OK, that's a worthy goal...carbon neutral cremation, LOL.

[nik4411]

I think this is and will continue to grow as a huge problem. i often wonder what the earth will be like when i have grandchildren.

[mugofbeer]

Face it, how to you slow down a centuries-old culture of machismo - more children, more masculine? Get ready, the 3rd world countries will probably want developed countries to fork over a few hundred billion to help.

[HVAC Instructor]

Face it, how to you slow down a centuries-old culture of machismo - more children, more masculine? Get ready, the 3rd world countries will probably want developed countries to fork over a few hundred billion to help.

So, what...we do nothing and just overpopulate until critical mass is reached and suffer the consequences?

[mugofbeer]

So, what...we do nothing and just overpopulate until critical mass is reached and suffer the consequences?

So what? You are already going to have to pay out of your own pocket to 100+ 3rd world countries because you are a citizen of an evil CO2 emitter. Are you also in favor of handing over your wallet so citizens of the non-industrialized world can stop having sex? Its more than that, it's a part of the culture of most of these countries that having more children gives you a better image among your peers. The Global Warming summit has proven that the non-industrialized nations simply want a wealth transfer. When this is over and the attention turns to overpopulation, they will simply want more of a wealth transfer.

[HVAC Instructor]

So what? You are already going to have to pay out of your own pocket to 100+ 3rd world countries because you are a citizen of an evil CO2 emitter. Are you also in favor of handing over your wallet so citizens of the non-industrialized world can stop having sex? Its more than that, it's a part of the culture of most of these countries that having more children gives you a better image among your peers. The Global Warming summit has proven that the non-industrialized nations simply want a wealth transfer. When this is over and the attention turns to overpopulation, they will simply want more of a wealth transfer.

So you say we do nothing then and suffer the consequences?

Screw yourself because you think some poor bastard might get some of your money?

OK. Lets just keep on breeding and doing nothing. You'll be dead and gone by then maybe, but your kids and grand kids will pay. But hey, at least some third world scum of a human being didn't get in your wallet...that's all that matters, right?

[mugofbeer]

So you say we do nothing then and suffer the consequences?

Screw yourself because you think some poor bastard might get some of your money?

OK. Lets just keep on breeding and doing nothing. You'll be dead and gone by then maybe, but your kids and grand kids will pay. But hey, at least some third world scum of a human being didn't get in your wallet...that's all that matters, right?

HVAC, its getting where they are getting MOST of my money once the Dems finish what they are starting. The Obama admin. is bad enough but then the UN wants a world tax, and huge cash transfers to pay for the cost of a still-questionable CO2/Global Warming issue. Then they will want more to "educate" people to not have children? The money just isn't there anymore after worldwide capital losses of more than $5 trillion dollars in the last year. Just exactly what do you expect people to live off of when they retire?

And by the way, chill out a bit. Its a conversation, not a fistfight.

[gmwise]

So what? You are already going to have to pay out of your own pocket to 100+ 3rd world countries because you are a citizen of an evil CO2 emitter. Are you also in favor of handing over your wallet so citizens of the non-industrialized world can stop having sex? Its more than that, it's a part of the culture of most of these countries that having more children gives you a better image among your peers. The Global Warming summit has proven that the non-industrialized nations simply want a wealth transfer. When this is over and the attention turns to overpopulation, they will simply want more of a wealth transfer.

Ok...let me guess you dont have a clue do you?
You have never been to a 3rd World Country, or even seen a film clip...right?!
They have children so they can help with the labor of the farm, or having at least one child to survive, the mortality rate is high.
Are you really this clueless or are you parroting some blabber from Rush, or your local militia group...dumba**

[CuatrodeMayo]

Let's just wait for Walmart to move us to big spaceships and let robots clean up our mess:

[gmwise]

I think if a tax must be levy if there's a war of choice, in addition to a draft, I wager it would be less likely to happen..

[bluedogok]

The problem with sending money to "underdeveloped" or "third world" countries is that is usually ends up doing nothing more than lining the pockets of whatever dictator is in charge and never makes it to the intended recipients. We already send way to much to them already that is not serving it's intended purposes, so forking over billions of dollars to these people does nothing to advance population control or reducing carbon output.

Count me as one who sees no value in the transfer of wealth from industrialized nations to the select few in developing countries in the name of those two agendas. We already do enough of that having moved most of the backbone of our nation there in manufacturing and now service industries...and for the most part, people have to choose on their own not to have children, the Chinese gov't is not as successful with their method as they like to claim.

[HVAC Instructor]

The problem with sending money to "underdeveloped" or "third world" countries is that is usually ends up doing nothing more than lining the pockets of whatever dictator is in charge and never makes it to the intended recipients. We already send way to much to them already that is not serving it's intended purposes, so forking over billions of dollars to these people does nothing to advance population control or reducing carbon output.

Count me as one who sees no value in the transfer of wealth from industrialized nations to the select few in developing countries in the name of those two agendas. We already do enough of that having moved most of the backbone of our nation there in manufacturing and now service industries...and for the most part, people have to choose on their own not to have children, the Chinese gov't is not as successful with their method as they like to claim.

What does your post have to do with solving global overpopulation?

You don't want to pay anything to solve the problem. We see that. So, how do we resolve the ever increasing global population increase? How do we feed the global population with finite energy resources?

[bluedogok]

What does your post have to do with solving global overpopulation?

I thought we were talking about using the developed nations tax dollars to help pay other countries to have fewer children...all in the name of "overpopulation"

You don't want to pay anything to solve the problem. We see that. So, how do we resolve the ever increasing global population increase? How do we feed the global population with finite energy resources?

Pretty much, there is nothing we can do short of population eradication that will "solve" an overpopulation crisis. We don't have "World Wars" anymore which effectively reduces the population by millions. Most diseases have been dealt with to a certain point to where we do not have a black plague sweeping through countries killing off thousands. I think there can be successful efforts in the "civilized" world but there are so many parts of this world that are considered "uncivilized" and as others have stated, those are potential laborers for them and therefore there is no incentive for them to not have them. Throwing money at other countries to stop having children isn't going to work, all their leaders are going to do is pocket the money and ignore their population and the reasons why they received the money. So in other words, money is not the solution but that is what their leaders always want to discuss anything that impacts the world...and they will continue to ignore the problem.

The problem is trying to apply macro solutions to solve micro problems.

[HVAC Instructor]

I thought we were talking about using the developed nations tax dollars to help pay other countries to have fewer children...all in the name of "overpopulation"

No, that is NOT what we were talking about. That is what some people chose to interject because they have this irrational fear that it might actually cost them some money, time and percieved inconvience to solve the global over population problem. Here's the OP:

In a word: Extremely.

Forget Global Warming. How many humans can this planet sustain? Do you think the Earth can sustain unlimited population growth? Does China have the right idea with the one-child policy?

Before you answer, watch this video series and do the math:

Did you watch the video series and do the math? Apparently not given yours and others responses.

The video series is extremely educational and contains zero liberal or conservative fluff or rhetoric - Only simple mathematics that cannot be refuted.

Pretty much, there is nothing we can do short of population eradication that will "solve" an overpopulation crisis.

What a defeatist attitude! So, you have no sloution or reasonable suggestions? Surely we can come up with something.......

We don't have "World Wars" anymore which effectively reduces the population by millions. Most diseases have been dealt with to a certain point to where we do not have a black plague sweeping through countries killing off thousands. I think there can be successful efforts in the "civilized" world but there are so many parts of this world that are considered "uncivilized" and as others have stated, those are potential laborers for them and therefore there is no incentive for them to not have them. Throwing money at other countries to stop having children isn't going to work, all their leaders are going to do is pocket the money and ignore their population and the reasons why they received the money. So in other words, money is not the solution but that is what their leaders always want to discuss anything that impacts the world...and they will continue to ignore the problem.

Why is it that when faced with a global problem that is mathematically proven will cause human chaos beyond all imagination, the first thing many people think of is how much MONEY it will cost them? So what if it costs some money at some point? Would you rather die with a coffin full of money? Will you be any less dead? Will your grandchildren survive this generational conservative selfishness?

The problem is trying to apply macro solutions to solve micro problems.

Global over population and mass starvation is a micro problem?????

[mugofbeer]

As I said earlier, in so many cultures, its a "macho" thing to have more and more children. Try seeing how "ugly" American's start being painted if we try to instill on them that we don't want them to have more.

[Chance23]

As I said earlier, in so many cultures, its a "macho" thing to have more and more children. Try seeing how "ugly" American's start being painted if we try to instill on them that we don't want them to have more.

No, in so many cultures it's the "hey, we need labor to help our subsistence farms" thing to have more and more children. Machismo has little to do with it, agrarian societies have more kids because it leads to more hands to work.

[mugofbeer]

Well, I am sure you already realize that for starters it kind of leads to pregnancy and children. Secondly, if you are headed in the direction of contraception, the Muslims and the Catholics don't accept that (I don't know if Hindu's, Bhuddists or other religions accept the use of contraception).

You're proposing a wholesale change in actions, beliefs and norms that have been entrenched in people for hundreds or thousands of years. There are millions Muslims out there who think nothing of bombing women and children into oblivion or using same to blow up other Muslim innocents (not to mention soldiers). How do you plan to get them to stop having children?

[HVAC Instructor]

Well, I am sure you already realize that for starters it kind of leads to pregnancy and children. Secondly, if you are headed in the direction of contraception, the Muslims and the Catholics don't accept that (I don't know if Hindu's, Bhuddists or other religions accept the use of contraception).

You're proposing a wholesale change in actions, beliefs and norms that have been entrenched in people for hundreds or thousands of years. There are millions Muslims out there who think nothing of bombing women and children into oblivion or using same to blow up other Muslim innocents (not to mention soldiers). How do you plan to get them to stop having children?

Nobody said it would be an easy task. Nobody said it would be cheap. Deep down, EVERYBODY knows the planet can only sustain a limited numer of humans.

The solution is not to give up because it is too hard. It is going to take action. It is going to take education. It is going to take persistence. And yes, it is going to take money, yes, your tax money to some extent. Doing nothing because it is difficult is not going to work.

We have to start here first to set the example before insisting Asia, the Middleast and Africa do it first. That's what leaders do: LEAD.

#1 suggestion: Eliminate tax and social policy that encourages having chidren. No tax deductions for simply having children.

2. Cash or tax credits for voluntary sterilizations for both men and women.

3. Require 100% participation with a graded exam in a class like the one by the Professor Emeritus at the beginning of this thread as a requirement to graduate high school AND college.

You did watch all 8 videos, didn't you?

There's 3 suggestions for the beginning of a solution. No whining that it's too hard. No whining that it will cost money. Just 3 simple actions to get the ball rolling.