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  1. #1

    Default NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    I have heard from "a very reliable source" that a few of our NBA players have been bad-mouthing OKC as "boring" and "too quiet." Now, I'm not too offended by this because, let's face it, each person has a different taste for what they like and NBA players are just the same as everyone else. Some players will love the quiet and laid-back lifestyle, while some won't, so it's inevitable we're going to have some players bored while others enjoy the change of pace from the bigger cities. There are two issues, though:

    1) I don't think OKC is really that boring. If you're expecting a 24 hour club scene like NYC, then sure it is. But I also don't like our players talking crap about the city to other people, thereby feeding the false generalizations and stereotypes about the state.

    2) What improvements can we make to OKC to make this a more entertaining for people of the "celebrity" type? Of course, we shouldn't ever try to change an entire city based on a single, narrow demographic. But we can make smaller improvements in certain sections of the city that provide the type of entertainment these people are looking for. We can improve Bricktown, open more clubs (not enough people to go to them, though?), open more restaurants, etc. This, however, seems like it's something that will naturally occur over time and it's not a problem we can "fix."

  2. Default Re: NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    You know what - they're getting paid millions of dollars and I'll bet you they get over it. I just wonder at what point do we quit worrying about what others think of us, and instead focus on what we want in a city.

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    Default Re: NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    You know what - they're getting paid millions of dollars and I'll bet you they get over it. I just wonder at what point do we quit worrying about what others think of us, and instead focus on what we want in a city.
    Couldn't agree more!

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    Default Re: NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    If the worst thing that can be said about OKC is that some NBA players think its boring, I'm not too worried.

  5. #5

    Default Re: NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    I have lived in NYC, LA, SF, New Orleans and DC but picked OKC to retire in.

    I also dont find OKC to be that boring. We have a great library, art museum, golf courses, activities on the river, access to who knows how many Indian Casinos, and we are a short drive to two major NCAA Sporting Venues.

    We also have several service organizations (rotary, lions, kiwanis), many Churches, and many neighborhood organizations.

    If it takes a fast and loose lifestyle to make these celebrities happy, maybe we should concentrate a little more on character issues in our future drafts or other player acquisitions. However, when I did live in larger cities, it seemed as if the "celebrities" always wanted their privacy. Not sure how they can have privacy and nonstop entertainment venues at the same time.

    It sure would be nice to know who is complaining. Hope it was not any of our top four (durant, green, westbrook, hardin) draft choices.

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    Default Re: NBA Players Think OKC is Boring...boo hoo

    Quote Originally Posted by circled9 View Post
    I have lived in NYC, LA, SF, New Orleans and DC but picked OKC to retire in.

    I also dont find OKC to be that boring. We have a great library, art museum, golf courses, activities on the river, access to who knows how many Indian Casinos, and we are a short drive to two major NCAA Sporting Venues.

    We also have several service organizations (rotary, lions, kiwanis), many Churches, and many neighborhood organizations.

    If it takes a fast and loose lifestyle to make these celebrities happy, maybe we should concentrate a little more on character issues in our future drafts or other player acquisitions. However, when I did live in larger cities, it seemed as if the "celebrities" always wanted their privacy. Not sure how they can have privacy and nonstop entertainment venues at the same time.

    It sure would be nice to know who is complaining. Hope it was not any of our top four (durant, green, westbrook, hardin) draft choices.

    News flash: having an abundance of chuches is not considered an asset to many people. And NBA coaches draft to win, not to recruit for the local church choir.

    Instead of being defensive about it, let's acknowledge the fact that this city has a ways to go in the dining and entertainment area to join the big league city list.

    Steve, we're not shooting to be Omaha. A little criticism is fair and warranted.

    We lose a lot of our citizens and natives to more exciting cities. That is why we are trying to pass things like MAPS.

    We don't even have an upscale grocery in our city. Think about that!

    OKC is cool but we have a ways to go.

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    I actually might be worried if some of those guys thought this place was exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    I actually might be worried if some of those guys thought this place was exciting.
    Very true!! When OKC becomes a city that's exciting to most NBA players, we've got problems. Sorry, but some things just have too much anecdotal evidence to even bother arguing about it. Agree, midtowner, agree.

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    On the other hand, if you look at the demographic here, what's the message? Oklahoma City is boring for young adults between 20 and 30? I think some people would tell you "yes". I actually think that's a significant issue. That's an age group which is deciding where to seek jobs after graduation, and ultimately where to settle and raise a family. Ironically, having an NBA team is one of the things that will appeal to people in this age group who don't happen to be doing the entertaining. My older children all left, pretty much for that reason. What would they like to see? More clubs, not just in Bricktown, but around the city center. Better shopping. They're both girls, and this is a key issue. We cannot compete with other cities for non-department store shopping options at this point in time. I remember Russell Westbrook, on one of his radio spots, said that in his free time he goes to the mall. We don't really have a lot of the middle to high end chains in our malls. More professional sports....hard to change that one.

    Again, growing the city itself, making our downtown a vibrant, exciting place in which to live and/or recreate, is a key factor to reversing the post college brain drain we've been experiencing as long as I've lived here. It's definitely getting better, and I do know a fair number of young people who are now deciding to stay, but not enough to generate as many clubs, restaurants, retail and leisure time activities to appeal to this age group across the board.

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    I just wonder at what point do we quit worrying about what others think of us, and instead focus on what we want in a city.
    Ummm, what if what we want is precisely for it to be more exciting?

    I actually might be worried if some of those guys thought this place was exciting.
    Ha. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    On the other hand, if you look at the demographic here, what's the message? Oklahoma City is boring for young adults between 20 and 30? I think some people would tell you "yes". I actually think that's a significant issue. That's an age group which is deciding where to seek jobs after graduation, and ultimately where to settle and raise a family. Ironically, having an NBA team is one of the things that will appeal to people in this age group who don't happen to be doing the entertaining. My older children all left, pretty much for that reason. What would they like to see? More clubs, not just in Bricktown, but around the city center. Better shopping. They're both girls, and this is a key issue. We cannot compete with other cities for non-department store shopping options at this point in time. I remember Russell Westbrook, on one of his radio spots, said that in his free time he goes to the mall. We don't really have a lot of the middle to high end chains in our malls. More professional sports....hard to change that one.

    Again, growing the city itself, making our downtown a vibrant, exciting place in which to live and/or recreate, is a key factor to reversing the post college brain drain we've been experiencing as long as I've lived here. It's definitely getting better, and I do know a fair number of young people who are now deciding to stay, but not enough to generate as many clubs, restaurants, retail and leisure time activities to appeal to this age group across the board.
    Exactly. As much as I'm a big cheerleader for our City, and it's an exciting TIME to live in our City, we are NOT an exciting CITY. The quality of life issue still has leaps and bounds improved, but we are still light years behind other cities, let alone to be on the same level as cities the same size, or sadly even smaller, then there's the fact that we're trying to shoot ahead of peer markets. As a now 30 yr old, formerly twentysomething until this last month, there is a LOT lacking in our City that I would like to see, and frankly if I was single, I would move. As betts said, we need wayyy more shopping options, more vibrant and active downtown, public transit, several corridors of hustle and bustle with lots of activity, more large employers, an upscale grocery, etc. We can't even compete with a suburb of Dallas, or even cities like Wichita or Omaha on some levels. We still have a longggggg way to go. Despite all this, I still call the place home and will be raising my family here for the indefinite future, but sure am proud of our progress and our forward thinking. For us future generations and our future kids and grandkids, please don't iron wall things like MAPS 3, as we may see the brain drain increase again, and make people like myself think twice about living here. Believe it or not, but if MAPS3 fails, I guarantee you we will have lots of the younger generation packing bags for greener pastures again. Let's continue the momentum and make our own green pasture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Pass things like MAPS 3 that drastically and exponentially improve the quality of life in our City, so we can halfway compare to other major cities that have more amenities.
    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Believe it or not, but if MAPS3 fails, I guarantee you we will have lots of the younger generation packing bags for greener pastures again. Let's continue the momentum and make our own green pasture!
    Really?

    Frankly, I'm getting a little sick of all this doom-and-gloom associated with MAPS3 not passing.

    About an hour ago I emailed the 28 20-somethings I work with with one question: "If MAPS3 doesn't pass, will you move or consider moving out of OKC"

    All but 3 of them replied back with "what the [blank] is MAPS3?"

    The 3 who did reply all basically said they were voting No because they don't live in the Downtown area.

    Is there something in MAPS3 that is specifically geared towards keeping or drawing 20-30 year olds to OKC?

    Personally, I don't see a Trolley system as drawing them here as the people I work with couldn't give a crap about it, it has zero impact on their lives. Same with a Senior Citizen Aquatic center.

    I've looked at the list of projects and quite frankly don't see anything of interest on it for my age demographic. I think the Trolley idea is neat, but if it is going to consume a lane of traffic it will be yet another reason for me to not go DT. If I want to go whitewater kayaking, I'll go to Alaska, Penn or CA and not risk catching e coli in a "pretend" whitewater facility.

    And while a park is always nice, this is OKLAHOMA. If I or anyone else my age really wants to enjoy the outdoors and beauty of Oklahoma, we'll go see Oklahoma in its natural glory. I know the guys in my group who hunt or fish have almost no complaints about Oklahoma, why doesn't the tourism board promote that aspect of the State?

    I know one thing that could be done that would probably keep the 20-30 age crowd in OKC, or atleast keep them here on the weekends a little more. Plus it wouldn't cost $700 million to implement: repeal the antiquated liquor laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc4455 View Post
    Really?

    Frankly, I'm getting a little sick of all this doom-and-gloom associated with MAPS3 not passing.

    About an hour ago I emailed the 28 20-somethings I work with with one question: "If MAPS3 doesn't pass, will you move or consider moving out of OKC"

    All but 3 of them replied back with "what the [blank] is MAPS3?"

    The 3 who did reply all basically said they were voting No because they don't live in the Downtown area.

    Is there something in MAPS3 that is specifically geared towards keeping or drawing 20-30 year olds to OKC?

    Personally, I don't see a Trolley system as drawing them here as the people I work with couldn't give a crap about it, it has zero impact on their lives. Same with a Senior Citizen Aquatic center.

    I've looked at the list of projects and quite frankly don't see anything of interest on it for my age demographic. I think the Trolley idea is neat, but if it is going to consume a lane of traffic it will be yet another reason for me to not go DT. If I want to go whitewater kayaking, I'll go to Alaska, Penn or CA and not risk catching e coli in a "pretend" whitewater facility.

    And while a park is always nice, this is OKLAHOMA. If I or anyone else my age really wants to enjoy the outdoors and beauty of Oklahoma, we'll go see Oklahoma in its natural glory. I know the guys in my group who hunt or fish have almost no complaints about Oklahoma, why doesn't the tourism board promote that aspect of the State?

    I know one thing that could be done that would probably keep the 20-30 age crowd in OKC, or atleast keep them here on the weekends a little more. Plus it wouldn't cost $700 million to implement: repeal the antiquated liquor laws.
    jc, I understand some of what you are saying however, you aren't looking past your nose. I would imagine you and your 20-something co-workers probably spend a decent amount of time partying in Bricktown. If MAPS hadn't passed, do you think there would be a Bricktown of any consequence?

    MAPS3 may not contain anything you directly might use today, but MAPS3 is an investment today for something you (or certainly some of your co-workers)WILL use some day.

    If MAPS3 passed today, few of the projects would be completed in 3 years. By that time, some of you 20-somethings will be 30-somethings and getting married and having kids. A large central park, if done right, would be a wonderful focal point to go to on nice weekends. That nice new convention center would be a great place for you to get all domestic and go see the spring home improvement and gardening shows or the Great American Beer festival.

    I am not trying to insult you or your age group but some things in life don't give you immediate gratification. As you age, you will see that some investments won't pay off for 25 or even 50 years. This is one of those types of things. OKC wasn't lucky to be built next to the ocean, a large river, a large lake, mountains or a great forest. OKC has to create out of nothing virtually everything we have. The city wasn't laid out for beautification, either, so there are times money needs to be spent to take an area such as the Core-to-Shore area and re-create it.

    Few cities have had even fewer opportunities to transform such a large area of the central city in the way OKC is proposing. It won't happen overnight, but, like with MAPS, there is a point where private developers take over from the foundation laid by a public plan (such as MAPS3) and will create things you will be glad you had the foresight to envision 10,20 or 30 years prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    jc, I understand some of what you are saying however, you aren't looking past your nose. I would imagine you and your 20-something co-workers probably spend a decent amount of time partying in Bricktown. If MAPS hadn't passed, do you think there would be a Bricktown of any consequence?
    No, I believe I am "looking past my nose". my co-workers and I have spent some time in Bricktown. We usually check out the new clubs and bars as soon as they open. We haven't spent a large amount of time there because most of the clubs and bars in bricktown are, well, boring. That's one of the reasons why we go to Dallas alot, or just have parties at each other's house.

    I get what you're saying about this taking time and not being an instant-gratification deal. MAPS started when? 16 years ago?

    In that time the previous 2 MAPS initiatives obviously didn't lay the foundations for private devolpers to start taking over, otherwise there's be no dire need for another initiative; what guarantee is there that MAPS3 will lay this foundation? Or MAPS4 or MAPS5?

    Perhaps if there was something in the plan for the 20-30 age group, but there isn't and there hasn't been. Sure, we might use a convention center that might be built when we're older, but there's plenty of other cities to choose from that already have a history of large, successful conventions on top of a thriving night-life and huge selection of places to shop.

    And the Great American Beer festival?? I don't know if they're coming here anytime soon, but I personally can't see it happening if the product they're celebrating isn't even legal in this state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    On the other hand, if you look at the demographic here, what's the message? Oklahoma City is boring for young adults between 20 and 30? I think some people would tell you "yes". I actually think that's a significant issue.
    If young people think OKC is boring, then just about every 20 or 30-something that doesn't live in the like 10 'fun' places is in the same boat. Let's see - NYC, LA , Chicago, Philly, DC, Miami, SF, Atl... where else? Basically huge cities. A bunch of pigeonholed hip places like Austin, Portland, Seattle, etc. where a ton of 20 or 30-somethings would be totally bored if they don't dig the hipster scenes. People who are bored just need to get some friends.

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    P.S. I'm always surprised by the people who want to find culture and their answer to that is simply finding people who are looking for the same thing. A lot of culture is diversity or even just something different. That being said, culture is everywhere, unless you limit it to new bands, old art and listening to music while you eat dinner. Just because it is isn't high culture doesn't mean it's not culture. That's why I'm content with Oklahoma. I'm not looking for the cutting edge or something revolutionary. Culture is simply accumulated knowledge in areas of the human experience. So, there's a culture, just maybe a culture you don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonestarstatesux View Post
    If young people think OKC is boring, then just about every 20 or 30-something that doesn't live in the like 10 'fun' places is in the same boat. Let's see - NYC, LA , Chicago, Philly, DC, Miami, SF, Atl... where else? Basically huge cities. A bunch of pigeonholed hip places like Austin, Portland, Seattle, etc. where a ton of 20 or 30-somethings would be totally bored if they don't dig the hipster scenes. People who are bored just need to get some friends.
    Exactly. I'd be bored in Austin. Yippee, there are 500 different shops that sell bongs, all on one street. However will I contain my excitement. Look, a string of clubs that all have the same type of alcohol and all charge an expensive cover. How wonderful.

    I'm 31 and single, but even when I was in my 20s, I didn't enjoy the club scene. So if OKC underperforms in this environment, I haven't noticed. Or cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoyasooner View Post
    Exactly. I'd be bored in Austin. Yippee, there are 500 different shops that sell bongs, all on one street. However will I contain my excitement. Look, a string of clubs that all have the same type of alcohol and all charge an expensive cover. How wonderful.

    I'm 31 and single, but even when I was in my 20s, I didn't enjoy the club scene. So if OKC underperforms in this environment, I haven't noticed. Or cared.
    That is exactly what I'm talking about. Exactly what I was trying to state in my "long" post to jc. I don't care about clubs and my life doesn't rotate around them. Glad somebody else is on that boat with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoyasooner View Post
    Exactly. I'd be bored in Austin. Yippee, there are 500 different shops that sell bongs, all on one street. However will I contain my excitement. Look, a string of clubs that all have the same type of alcohol and all charge an expensive cover. How wonderful.

    I'm 31 and single, but even when I was in my 20s, I didn't enjoy the club scene. So if OKC underperforms in this environment, I haven't noticed. Or cared.
    I'm surprised Texas, unlike Oklahoma, allows sales of bongs.

    Most people don't enjoy the bar scene because they are rejected or get ignored in such places. Some though, don't like the smoke and loud music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    I'm surprised Texas, unlike Oklahoma, allows sales of bongs.

    Most people don't enjoy the bar scene because they are rejected or get ignored in such places. Some though, don't like the smoke and loud music.
    Oklahoma allows bongs to be sold.

    Some people have made good points that this city is what you make of it, and I agree there are places, though sometimes hard to find, that offer unique experiances. However, never should we be settled with what we got. Okc still has a ways to go for entertainment options. I think it's mainly missing an urban, dense neighborhood, and midtown is the place. Just wish thngs would move quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonestarstatesux View Post
    If young people think OKC is boring, then just about every 20 or 30-something that doesn't live in the like 10 'fun' places is in the same boat. Let's see - NYC, LA , Chicago, Philly, DC, Miami, SF, Atl... where else? Basically huge cities. A bunch of pigeonholed hip places like Austin, Portland, Seattle, etc. where a ton of 20 or 30-somethings would be totally bored if they don't dig the hipster scenes. People who are bored just need to get some friends.
    Look, that won't work. Because the reason why people don't have friends is because they are mind numbingly boring. I know perfectly well because that describes me.

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    Pro athletes have been saying things like that about virtually every city other than L.A. and New York... It's been going on for decades.

    Basketball is a little different, though, in that it is mainly an urban game and lots of the players come from big cities.

    Regardless, the reality is that most these guys only spend a few years on any one team and I doubt few of them get connected to any town.

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    making our downtown a vibrant, exciting place in which to live and/or recreate, is a key factor to reversing the post college brain drain we've been experiencing as long as I've lived here.
    This is very true... Although a lot of attention is given attracting the 'creative class' the bottom line is that lots (if not most) that graduate from the bigger local colleges leave; if not immediately, not long after graduation.

    I graduated from OU in 1982 and stay in touch with a bunch of my college friends, and very few still live in Oklahoma. A few have returned now that things are a bit better but I think the large majority would never left if there was a more dynamic job market and just a more exciting environment for the 20- and 30-somethings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king183 View Post

    2) What improvements can we make to OKC to make this a more entertaining for people of the "celebrity" type? Of course, we shouldn't ever try to change an entire city based on a single, narrow demographic. But we can make smaller improvements in certain sections of the city that provide the type of entertainment these people are looking for. We can improve Bricktown, open more clubs (not enough people to go to them, though?), open more restaurants, etc. This, however, seems like it's something that will naturally occur over time and it's not a problem we can "fix."
    Pass things like MAPS 3 that drastically and exponentially improve the quality of life in our City, so we can halfway compare to other major cities that have more amenities.

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    What is often lost in these types of discussions is that having a lively, hip and somewhat dense urban core is not mutually exclusive to what so many love about OKC right now: The low cost of living, nice suburbs, churches and community, etc.

    We have plenty of all the stuff just listed... But we don't have ONE truly urban area -- at least not one that has been fully developed.

    Until we do, these criticisms will resonate with a lot more than just pro athletes.

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