Why did OK County and Tulsa County vote McCain?

[okcsince1987]

I was looking at the larger cities in other states and it seems that all theirs voted Obama but ours voted McCain. Just wanted to know if anyone knew why. I'm not really into politics much so maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's a stupid question.

[Midtowner]

Smarter people.

[roci28]

Smarter people.

Seriously!!!

[southernskye]

Seriously!!!

[kevinpate]

Of the minority of the populace who choose to vote, a majority, in each county, favored the thought of McCain/Palin at the helm of the ship than Obama/Biden.

The majority ticket devotes a tad more attention to God issues, a tad less to gay rights, a tad more to big business and a tad less to individual liberties. That's an over simplification, but not by much.

[okcpulse]

So... does that mean that people in Pheonix are stupid? Huh? Because McCain took Maricopa County, the most populous county in Arizona. I think you people are reading too much into this crap.

[lasomeday]

It is mainly because Tulsa and Oklahoma Counties aren't really in a recession and the other cities you are comparing are.

[shane453]

Because the counties are larger than the major cities in them.

[Kerry]

Obama - Change you hope to believe in, or hope to believe in change, or... crap, I can't remember how it goes. Oh well, Yes we can... or did... or hope to do... or something like that.

I think I will go with Oklahomans being smarter.

[soonerguru]

OKC voted Obama -- at least, "inside the loop." So did Tulsa. The burbs voted McCain by WIDE margins. Edmond was blood red. Norman also voted Obama.

Obama won every precinct in the loop of 1-235, 1-44 and 1-40. That's the OKC most of us think of when we think of OKC.

[sgray]

...because much of OK has a nice 'default' vote that they're cozy with. I'm certain that if you would have switched the candidates, Obama would have won OK because a lot of folks just want the republican ticket to win because, to them it is either 'the right thing morally', or they must 'vote by the book'..."if we keep our vote on that ticket, things will get better. They will...they must." I could understand their side if it wasn't always the same outcome...but come on people, the numbers are almost always the same in OK's general election, no matter who is running. That's the thing...it doesn't matter who's on the ticket. While our neighboring states are mostly red, at least things shift around when the candidates change.

CHECK OUT THESE NUMBERS FOR STATE-WIDE GENERAL ELECTION:
DIFFERENT CANDIDATES ON BOTH SIDES!!!

2004
R-BUSH 959,792
D-KERRY 503,966

2008
R-MCCAIN 959,808
D-OBAMA 502,286

Same 'ol, same 'ol...


Part of my reasoning is also based things such as Inhofe winning so much of the vote, like always. Again, doesn't matter who's on the ticket...loook at Istook and Coburn...just as motionless. On a serious note, not joking or poking fun, does anyone here have some good, solid reasons for keeping Inhofe our senator? I seriously want to know...because I cannot justify his existence, no matter what I try to give him credit for.

Just my 3 cents.

[Kerry]

...because much of OK has a nice 'default' vote that they're cozy with. I'm certain that if you would have switched the candidates, Obama would have won OK because a lot of folks just want the republican ticket to win because, to them it is either 'the right thing morally', or they must 'vote by the book'..."if we keep our vote on that ticket, things will get better. They will...they must." I could understand their side if it wasn't always the same outcome...but come on people, the numbers are almost always the same in OK's general election, no matter who is running. That's the thing...it doesn't matter who's on the ticket. While our neighboring states are mostly red, at least things shift around when the candidates change.

CHECK OUT THESE NUMBERS FOR STATE-WIDE GENERAL ELECTION:
DIFFERENT CANDIDATES ON BOTH SIDES!!!

2004
R-BUSH 959,792
D-KERRY 503,966

2008
R-MCCAIN 959,808
D-OBAMA 502,286

Same 'ol, same 'ol...

Let me get the straight, are you saying the McCain voters voted for him just because he was the republican on the ticket while the Obama voters were judicial in their decision making process? In other words, if you switched the party affiliation Obama would have won 1,462,094 to 0. Or is it just possible that Obama voters are just as comfortable choosing a candidate (any candidate) with a 'D' next to their name.

[NativeOkie]

Which areas have the highest welfare percentage?

[sgray]

...'percentage'? likely the areas with the highest population. Why?

[oneforone]

I am just curious......how much longer are we going to beat this dead horse?

Obama won so who really cares what counties he did or did not win.

The Mcain-Obama debate is nothing more than spliting hairs at this point.

[sgray]

Thats what I thought until someone started a new thread on the subject...and I just had to get in on the fun!

[kevinpate]

I hadn't realized there were fewer presidential votes cast in OK this time than there were in 04. That's mostly surprising in light of all the talk of getting the vote out this go around, from both sides.

[bombermwc]

Old people love their republicans, and we've got a crap load of old people. The particular groups of greys that always vote the old republican ticket are on their way out. The younger vote in OK is democratic and tolerant.

In this election you had as many people vote for one candidate as the other simply because of their race. There are a lot of African Americans that voted Obama for that reason alone (there were some interesting polls regarding their reasoning too) and same goes for the White vote. It's racist and stupid, but it happened.

The real urban vote here was Obama. You don't see that in the county vote because, as said earlier, the county involves more than the city. IE OK county also has Edmond.

I wasn't surprised in the least that OK voted McCain, but I was surprised that it was an all county thing.

Also keep in mind that here in OK, we've been pretty happy with our state government, which has been turning more republican and obviously went majority this time. Most other places, you'll find people were not happy and wanted to change....ie Congress. This was always the democrats election to lose....the national vote showed that. OK is always ignored by campaigns and doesn't mean crap in the electoral college. Our dinky 6 votes are worthless so even though McCain won the state, who cares.

I voted Obama and I'm a boring vanilla while suburban dweller. For once, I actually had a candidate I was excited for.

[Grant]

Old people love their republicans, and we've got a crap load of old people. The particular groups of greys that always vote the old republican ticket are on their way out. The younger vote in OK is democratic and tolerant.

So what you're saying is that Republicans/young Republicans are not tolerant? There are many many more reasons that led me to vote McCain than gay rights (which tends to be what Democrats refer to when speaking of tolerance). I voted McCain for his stances on small government, less taxes on people and businesses small and large, anti-abortion, pro Second Amendment, making able people work for their money, etc, etc, etc. Don't give me this tolerance junk. Democrats always seem to be quite intolerant as they tear others apart for not being "tolerant". In no way am I accusing you of tearing anyone down, because you didn't. I'm just saying that Democrats as a whole, or at least the many that I have listened to, read, or talked to, tend to start name calling when somebody disagrees, which is the very definition of intolerance. Ironic isn't it? They spew things about Republican voters being uneducated, rednecks, and bible thumpers. I am none of those. I'm simply a person who understands government, reads into things more advanced than gay marriage and abortion, probably does more research than most voters, believes in working for a living (through brain or brawn), wants to uphold the right to defend myself and my family, and consequently votes Republican almost every single time (I like some Libertarians too). That is my political ideology. Locally, I support an added 1% sales tax that builds something as nice as the canal, the Ford Center, the Ford Center remodel, the new library, etc. because the local government knows a whole lot more about whats good for Oklahoma City than the federal government. MAPS is not big government, it's smart government. If you think about the big picture, MAPS is basically the people of Oklahoma City all pitching in a little to build something nice that we can all use, which is completely fine by me.

[route66gal]

So what you're saying is that Republicans/young Republicans are not tolerant? There are many many more reasons that led me to vote McCain than gay rights (which tends to be what Democrats refer to when speaking of tolerance). I voted McCain for his stances on small government, less taxes on people and businesses small and large, anti-abortion, pro Second Amendment, making able people work for their money, etc, etc, etc. Don't give me this tolerance junk. Democrats always seem to be quite intolerant as they tear others apart for not being "tolerant". In no way am I accusing you of tearing anyone down, because you didn't. I'm just saying that Democrats as a whole, or at least the many that I have listened to, read, or talked to, tend to start name calling when somebody disagrees, which is the very definition of intolerance. Ironic isn't it? They spew things about Republican voters being uneducated, rednecks, and bible thumpers. I am none of those. I'm simply a person who understands government, reads into things more advanced than gay marriage and abortion, probably does more research than most voters, believes in working for a living (through brain or brawn), wants to uphold the right to defend myself and my family, and consequently votes Republican almost every single time (I like some Libertarians too). That is my political ideology. Locally, I support an added 1% sales tax that builds something as nice as the canal, the Ford Center, the Ford Center remodel, the new library, etc. because the local government knows a whole lot more about whats good for Oklahoma City than the federal government. MAPS is not big government, it's smart government. If you think about the big picture, MAPS is basically the people of Oklahoma City all pitching in a little to build something nice that we can all use, which is completely fine by me.

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

[okcpulse]

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

Umm, democrats aren't exactly angels, either. Why do you think I quit both parties? Because I am a free thinker, not of any sheep that make up America.

By the way, park the intolerance crap. Save it for CNN. Democrats are just as intolerant.

[okcpulse]

http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/files/CACG_Final.pdf
Woe to the Hypocrites

No sorry its the republican that have hyper inflated our national debt, drove abortions numbers up by cutting services to women and children. They Start wars costing us trillians, our very childrens future, killing thousands of people--based on false evidence. And have shown intolerance beyond what I have ever seen during this past election. Republicans are not fiscally responsible and do not stand for any of the things they claim. Only by fruits do you know a man.

On an added note, don'tt put ALL the blame on Republicans for being fiscally irresponsible. Look at Oklahoma democrats at the state capitol and what they did to the state in the 1980s and 1990s. They were tax and spend mongers.

[route66gal]

On an added note, don'tt put ALL the blame on Republicans for being fiscally irresponsible. Look at Oklahoma democrats at the state capitol and what they did to the state in the 1980s and 1990s. They were tax and spend mongers.

Oh but we have our pretty disney ditch down in Bricktown
and Bass Pro and and and and..all republican agendas.

[Midtowner]

For the love of God...

"Democratic and tolerant"?

[soonerguru]

This thread is annoying. And yes, Midtowner, there are many tolerant Democrats -- and even a few Repubs, too.

Oklahoma County voted McCain because of Edmond, Choctaw and the burbs of Moore/S. OKC. Pretty much every other area of the city voted for Obama, except the Quail Creek belt in the northwest.

OKC is not unlike other cities. Obama did very well with urban voters nationwide. Where we were different is in our inner suburbs, which Obama carried pretty much throughout the country but not here.

I'm guessing the exit polling showing that 51 percent of Oklahoma voters were self-identified evangelicals was a factor in voting. My friend who attends a megachurch told me their preacher talked about the "antichrist" and clearly was inferring that Obama was the black Satan.

I'm sure we had our share of bigots, too, given the phone calling I made at the Obama headquarters. The "n" word was frequently used. Also, "commie," "socialist," etc. Also, there were a lot of people in Oklahoma who received mail from the NRA saying that Obama was going to confiscate their guns. Then we had all of the morons (probably a third of all voters in Oklahoma) who believe that Obama is a "secret Muslim."

I'm sure there were principled reasons to vote for McCain, but there sure were a lot of dumb, misleading or even hateful reasons to vote for him expressed by many Oklahomans.

The way things are going, however, is the OK county went much BLUER than in 2004, even more so than Tulsa County. I expect this trend to continue. Edmond will remain the bloodiest color of red for the foreseeable future, as flocks of people go to places like Henderson Hills Baptist Church to gin up outrage about the abortionist antichrist in the White House. Meanwhile, OKC will become more and more friendly to modern thinkers, who tend to be a little more liberal in their viewpoints, until OKC is an island of blue in a sea of red statewide.