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    News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | EXCLUSIVE: Lawmaker's anti-gay comments spark debate

    This Oklahoma lawmaker says the "gay problem" is the #1 problem facing this country and that gay people are worse than Islamic terrorists such as those who hijacked planes on 9/11. She says America will not last more than a few more decades if something isn't done about the "gay problem." What is shocking is if you read the responses you will find many, if not a majority of Oklahomans (who bothered to post) agree with her stance. Some of the posters are even celebrating AIDS and suggesting all gays be but to death. Whether you believe homosexuality is a sin or not is irrelevant here; this kind of hate towards a group of HUMAN BEINGS from an elected official is way over the line.

    As long as this is the kind of image OKC presents to the rest of the nation, the city will never be viewed as anything other than a backwards redneck city in the Bible Belt. I was under the assumption that OKC was really making progress, but this ordeal proves otherwise. This almost makes me ashamed to be from OKC. Not only does it give OKC a bad name but it re-enforces the hatemongering Christian stereotype.

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    Well the good part is that most Christians are not these hatemongering types that this politician represents. Honestly, these views will probably be around for a couple more decades - or so. Heck there are still those white rednecks in rural Oklahoma that will say a few choice words about people with a different color of skin. It's all about how you are raised and the environment you choose to be part of. As each generation finally dies off (that does sound kinda morbid) things will get better. Unfortunately it'll probably be the 22nd or 23rd centuries before humanity gets more enlightend to look beyond a person's skin color, race, nationality, orientation, etc.

    Now if they can find a way to cure the curse of aging and extend our lives a couple hundred years, I would love to see that era.

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    Someone needs to run against that f_wit. Her district has a lot of black, latino and working class. Looks like a great Dem pickup to me. Kern seems to represent what's left of the Repub Party today. Completely philosophically bankrupt. I'm sure the numerous citizens in her house district who are worrying about foreclosures, $4 gas and the coming recession are really focused on the "gay agenda." By the way, she insulted a powerful and affluent group that is motivated enough to mount a campaign against her. I'm one district over or I would consider running against her. It would be the easiest campaign this cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    Someone needs to run against that f_wit. Her district has a lot of black, latino and working class. Looks like a great Dem pickup to me. Kern seems to represent what's left of the Repub Party today. Completely philosophically bankrupt. I'm sure the numerous citizens in her house district who are worrying about foreclosures, $4 gas and the coming recession are really focused on the "gay agenda." By the way, she insulted a powerful and affluent group that is motivated enough to mount a campaign against her. I'm one district over or I would consider running against her. It would be the easiest campaign this cycle.
    Great thought, but you have zero chance at beating her. That district is too close to the Nasty Marines University (Nazarene). The better idea is to force all the christians who don't support her view to come out against her. I'll bet my new Harley that won't happen either.

    The Dems better start working on someone to replace Andrew Rice in his district.

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    "The Communist party agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact,” Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment. "I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”

    She forgot atheists and homeless people and welfare mothers driving a Mercedes. That is our biggest threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    Someone needs to run against that f_wit. Her district has a lot of black, latino and working class. Looks like a great Dem pickup to me. Kern seems to represent what's left of the Repub Party today. Completely philosophically bankrupt. I'm sure the numerous citizens in her house district who are worrying about foreclosures, $4 gas and the coming recession are really focused on the "gay agenda." By the way, she insulted a powerful and affluent group that is motivated enough to mount a campaign against her. I'm one district over or I would consider running against her. It would be the easiest campaign this cycle.
    "Completely philosophically bankrupt"? i agree, but are u implying the dems are better? if you are, wow! dont get me wrong,im not saying that repubs are great or anything i hate both. i think they are one in the same.

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    Perhaps not so easy soonerguru. The district also has a fair sized segment of folk who may actually view Kern as a tad moderate, but still acceptable to them.

    Her predecessor had no trouble holding that area for a number of years, and he was not exactly a poster child for moderation during his tenure.

    I'd venture a guess those who carried her into office are not sitting about slapping their foreheads and wondering how they could have been so wrong on their vote.
    You may not agree with her, may even despise her view, but that doesn't mean she is isolated or significantly out of touch with the majority in her district.

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    Her actions are disgusting and she should be impeached!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLCinOKC View Post
    Her actions are disgusting and she should be impeached!
    What is her "actions"? Her opinions on a behavior? You can disagree with her, you can think she is an idiot, but to advocate removing free speach isn't the way to go.

    If she said she thought all gays should be burned at the stake I could understand, but what she said was she felt that they were a threat to American values. If you insert "Communism" where "Gay" was, would you have a problem with what she said?

    "The Communist party agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact,” Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment. "I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”

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    grab your torches!!

    No, maybe we should have a witch trial! Dunk her. Burn her.

    Although I think she is a complete moron, hopefully the world will see that as well. She does not speak for me. Want to shut her up? Don't vote for her. Don't support her. And write letters opposing her outlandish opinions.

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    Well the good part is that most Christians are not these hatemongering types that this politician represents.
    This may be true, but you don't hear much from them on this issue. If we were to see a unified Christian effort to condemn her sentiments, then maybe we'd see some change, but that's not going to happen. I suspect that many would not mind her policies being implemented, even if they disagree with the way in which she presents them.

    If you insert "Communism" where "Gay" was, would you have a problem with what she said?

    "The Communist party agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact,” Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment. "I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”
    Actually, it would be equally as idiotic and would show just as much of a delusional paranoia. If you ask me, delusional paranoia amongst our representation is the biggest threat to our nation. In the last century, the fear of gays and communism has done more to erode the values of personal freedom on which this nation still claims to the world to be based.

    The reality is that people like Kern really amount to radical theocratic revolutionaries that believe legislation and allocation of public assets should be based on their mystical beliefs and not on the original constitution or its intentions. They believe that rights and privileges should be predicated on one's own mystical beliefs. Basically, they feel freedoms and privileges provided for and protected by the government is only for those that live a life based on their own personal theocratic doctrine, not on an individuals status as American citizen. The widespread acceptance of this belief, especially in this part of the country, clearly makes that agenda a much bigger threat to the basic tenants of freedom than communism ever was in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OU Adonis View Post
    What is her "actions"? Her opinions on a behavior? You can disagree with her, you can think she is an idiot, but to advocate removing free speach isn't the way to go.
    She isn't being thrown in jail for saying what she said, nor is she being fined. If the will of the people dictates that she experience a career change, her "free speech" has consequences.

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to say sans consequences. Imagine what would have happened to the President if he had been taped in the wake of Katrina making pejorative references (along racial grounds) regarding the blacks left behind in New Orleans. Do you think his "free speach" might have had consequences?

    I doubt that as closely divided as the house is, the Republicans would willingy give up a seat, even if it were found out that Ms. Kern was an active member in the KKK womens' auxiliary, which I'm sure she's not, nor has she ever been. I just mean to say that partisan politics will prevent any real consequences for Rep. Kern, at least until the next election cycle comes around. Then, expect her to even draw a Republican primary challenger.

    If she said she thought all gays should be burned at the stake I could understand, but what she said was she felt that they were a threat to American values. If you insert "Communism" where "Gay" was, would you have a problem with what she said?
    No, she said homosexuality was more of a threat than terrorism, or Islam.

    -- terrorism, I can understand, but the religious bigotry towards Islam? That's as bad as the anti-gay remark. We're trying to make inroads in the Islamic world. Her words don't exactly help our religions live in harmony. What she said may indeed be worse than Justice Holmes' "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater" analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    She isn't being thrown in jail for saying what she said, nor is she being fined. If the will of the people dictates that she experience a career change, her "free speech" has consequences.

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to say sans consequences. Imagine what would have happened to the President if he had been taped in the wake of Katrina making pejorative references (along racial grounds) regarding the blacks left behind in New Orleans. Do you think his "free speach" might have had consequences?
    Great points. People sometimes forget that the Constitution only shields legitimate speech from governmental punishment. "The people," your family and your neighbors may decide you are an idiot and natural consequences flow from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    bkm,
    Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. Look, there's nothing wrong with admitting your interpretation of the bible outweighs factual data to support your arguments. You have none. As far as I can tell, the "gay agenda" is to not be discriminated against in employment, and the ability to share partner benefits like property and health insurance. If you honestly believe that -- or even, gasp, a civil marriage ceremony -- is a bigger threat to our society than terrorism, then you must lead a very sheltered life.
    My argument is becoming weaker, you are simply becoming unreasonable. I have provided you with facts and you still do not wish to accept them. Where are your facts? Even if you give me facts, I can do the same thing you are doing and just throw them out.

    Are you saying that gays are not pushing for the right to be leally married? I have said before that I do not care what people do, just as long as society does not condoe the action. If insurance companies wish to insure gay couples together they are more than welcome, but they will not becuase it is not in their best interest. As I said before if society crumbles from within then we will not have to worry about terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    You come across as a bigot, and someone who is willfully ignorant of facts and cogent discussion. This has become tiresome to the extreme and your opinions are not swaying anyone here. Your viewpoints would be a better fit for Laramie, Wyoming than Oklahoma City. Perhaps the social values of Amarillo or Laramie are a closer fit for your own. All of this diversity and change in OKC must be very threatening to you. Seriously.
    I do not care if you call me a bigot, that is your opinion and I don't really care. But I am not ignoring facts, because you have presented no facts for your side.

    Are you saying that everyone in a city has to have opinions and beliefs? I agree that we need and NBA team, I support the C2S project, and the list goes on. This always has been a conservative city, and it will largely remain that way. It is a fact that conservatives are more likely to get married and have childern than liberals. The childern of the conservatives mainly turn out to be conservative also, so therefore it is next to impossible to take a conservative city and make it liberal.

    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    OK, if I respond again to this thread I'm just as much a part of the problem. We get your point. Let's move on.
    I agree that we have beaten this topic to death. But, one of us is right and the other is wrong. If I am right than this country is in for a painful fall, if you are right then it will all be alright. I prefer to take the more sure route to keep this county for the next generation.


    Quote Originally Posted by oklanole View Post
    You do realize that having an alcoholic drink is NOT a sin??? I am a steadfast Christian and have a huge problem with what Kern said. 50-60 years ago people (Christians) had the same attitude toward black people. I really hope in 50 years that being gay is not an issue anymore. Pointing the finger at gay people is also a sin as far as I believe. If you believe it goes against the bible, as I do fine, but let he without sin cast the first stone. I have sinned and still do but hey in the end we all make mistakes no matter how hard we try not to. I strive everyday to be a better person but I do not do that everyday. I fall victim to envy, jealousy and various other sins, who am I to kick a gay person. I need to deal with my own issues.
    I never said that drinking was a sin, just that I choose not to drink.

    Are you saying that a society that we should allow gay marriage to be accepted? This is a different argument than racism. Racism had to deal with a persons skin color. Homosexuality is forbidden by God multiple times in the Bible, as I am sure that you are aware. In the verse that you quoted John 8:7 Jesus was telling the people not to follow the old law since He was there to establish the new law. If you read the whole story she was forgiven from her sin and we assume that she never committed the sin again. She was judged, just simply not punished.

    I am going to assume that you say that we should never point out another mans sins, correct? That theory comes from Matt 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged." That is a nice theory, but it creates quite a mess in the world if we cannot tell someone when they did something wrong. If you read the whole context of the verse you will find that Jesus says in verse 5: "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." Jesus says that once you have solved your own problem then you can judge the other person to help them. I am not perfect by any means, but I do not struggle with feelings of homosexuality. So therefore I am not being a hypocrite by telling the homosexuals they are wrong.

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    I've never been a big fan of the Greater OKC Chamber of Commerce. Now before anyone jumps to any conclusions, the reason for my animosity toward that organization dates back long before, and has nothing to do with their role in the resent election.

    Nevertheless, having criticized them for positions adopted, and actions taken on past issues, I feel compelled to commend Roy Williams, and the Chamber, for their position regarding Rep. Sally Kern and the statements she made.

    In response to an E-Mail sent to Mr. Williams asking if the Chamber supported Rep. Kerns statements, his response was this, "In no way do we support Rep. Kerns statements. We never have, and we never will". For that they deserve, and should recieve their just credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Okie View Post
    People sometimes forget that the Constitution only shields legitimate speech from governmental punishment. "The people," your family and your neighbors may decide you are an idiot and natural consequences flow from that.
    Yea, verily. By "legitimate," of course, is meant that which is not libelous, not slanderous, and, if the Supreme Court ever could come up with a sensible definition thereof, not "obscene."

    We should be grateful for our freedom of speech, especially our freedom of offensive speech; the Canadians right now are roiling over the sudden discovery that their so-called "Human Rights Commissions" are empowered to slap you down for making people the slightest bit uncomfortable.

    The Chamber, for its part, did the right thing in distancing itself from the Kern kerfuffle without suggesting that anyone needed to be silenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OU Adonis View Post

    If she said she thought all gays should be burned at the stake I could understand, but what she said was she felt that they were a threat to American values. If you insert "Communism" where "Gay" was, would you have a problem with what she said?

    "The Communist party agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact,” Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment. "I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”
    What if you insert "African-American", "Hispanic", "Jewish",or "Asian" where "Gay" was? Would you have a problem with what she said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by so1rfan View Post
    What if you insert "African-American", "Hispanic", "Jewish",or "Asian" where "Gay" was? Would you have a problem with what she said?
    EXACTLY.

    EVEN IF she was taken out of context and was saying that the "gay agenda" is worse than terrorism, that's still a dubious statement. At worst--according to her conspiracy theory--they are brainwashing 2 year olds to be gay in the schools (absolutely ridiculous BTW).

    That's worse than someone coming into the school and blowing it up?????????????

    HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW???

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    Not really constructive.
    Last edited by OU Adonis; 03-15-2008 at 01:34 PM. Reason: Not going to change anyones mind on this board

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    Well there are always going to be stupid people out there that don't speak intelligently. One would hope that a public official would be smart enough to keep such a militant opinion to herself, but if that's her platform, it's also hard to tell her not to say it. I don't agree with her in any shape/way/form, but we can't tell her to shut up. As someone else said, that's part of the free speech thing. HOWEVER, a public official speaking like that has influence to make other people think that it may be the overwhelming opion of the state...simply because it's an elected official. Just because they were voted to an office, doesnt make them smarter or their opinion matter more...it just means more people hear it....like actors that think they have some magical importance in politics because they are popular.

    So there will be idiots that think she really does speak for us all, but hopefully there are people that see we aren't all like that. And I would agree, write her letters and tell her how you disagree with her and are unhappy with her trying to present that image of OK.

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    Um, I'm pretty sure that Terrorists MURDER PEOPLE. Gay's are a bigger threat to America?? The woman is a complete and utter disgrace. She says "look at all these gay teens committing suicide". HELLO! It's because of people like you that make them feel awful about who they are.

    It's very embarrassing for Oklahoma.

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    Why am I supposed to care what New Jersey or New York or
    Florida thinks about Oklahoma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob&Frank&Ted&Bob&Alice View Post
    Why am I supposed to care what New Jersey or New York or
    Florida thinks about Oklahoma?
    Because Oklahoma as a whole is trying to improve socially and econimically. We are trying to bring in new businesses and attract people to move here(or stay here) and vacation here. And whether you care or not what they think, others perception of oklahoma has a negative effect on people who are considering moving here or bringing their business here.

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    There are over 2000 comments on that News 9 story, and many many of them are from all across the country.

    Great job Sally. Sure, you are welcome to your opinion, but when you call a group of people worse than murderers, you are crossing the line and people are going to notice.

    Here's the video in question:


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    Several weeks ago, and 8th grade boy walked into a computer lab and shot a fellow student in the head--because he was gay.

    Mrs. Kern's comments fuel people to do things like that. She is a hate-mongerer. SHE'S the terrorist.

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