Maps 4 Neighborhoods

[krisb]

Half & Half

Oklahoma City proper has over 600 sq. miles. You could let each quadrant or ward decide how they want to spend $100/$50 million @ 4-8 quadrants/wards which would account for $400 million on MAPS IV, a 7 year - $800 million package collection.



The other $400 million could be used to spend on other items.

It's not that big of a deal, but I think this is an old map of the ward boundaries.

[krisb]

We are forgetting about the next GO Bond which is a larger budget than MAPS. Perhaps each councilor needs to develop, in consultation with their constituents and the planning department, a master plan or development framework for their Ward. We already have sector plans on file for most areas of the city. MAPS 4 Neighborhoods and the GO Bond can then use those as a guide for improvements that are both large capital projects as well as more basic infrastructure.

Another approach would be to invest in each of the commercial district revitalization programs which would include Uptown, Western Avenue, NE 23rd, Windsor District, NW 10th street, Capitol Hill, and probably a few others I have forgotten.

[LakeEffect]

We are forgetting about the next GO Bond which is a larger budget than MAPS.

Not necessarily larger. Council has the option of doing a shorter term bond election, thereby issuing fewer bonds and lowering the amount. They debated a bit last time about 5, 7, or 10 years (IIRC), and settled on 10 years. They can also increase or decrease the millage rate to change the amount offered within that time frame. The 2007 GOB Election was approximately $760.5M, which isn't that much more than Maps 3 ($750M projected). I'm intentionally ignored the $75M in the 2007 GOB that was assigned to economic development, since it's not strictly capital-improvement related.

Regardless, I think your approach is pretty good.

[betts]

Another approach would be to invest in each of the commercial district revitalization programs which would include Uptown, Western Avenue, NE 23rd, Windsor District, NW 10th street, Capitol Hill, and probably a few others I have forgotten.

This to me is the only MAPS for Neighborhoods plan that makes sense. Britton could also be targeted, although if we get rail transit it will likely be revitalized, as it is close to what would be a likely stop. But if you look, the areas mentioned all have old commercial buildings easy to revitalize, all of which likely arose pre-car culture. It is going to be extremely difficult to change the post 60s neighborhoods to areas like this, unless we arbitrarily pick the closest strip mall and Disney-fi it. People now want what we had pre-car, and the newer neighborhoods may suffer for it. I don't see that we have enough money to make a difference. I think investing in mass transit is a better approach, which might incentivize developers to invest at major transit nodes.

[LakeEffect]

This to me is the only MAPS for Neighborhoods plan that makes sense. Britton could also be targeted, although if we get rail transit it will likely be revitalized, as it is close to what would be a likely stop. But if you look, the areas mentioned all have old commercial buildings easy to revitalize, all of which likely arose pre-car culture. It is going to be extremely difficult to change the post 60s neighborhoods to areas like this, unless we arbitrarily pick the closest strip mall and Disney-fi it. People now want what we had pre-car, and the newer neighborhoods may suffer for it. I don't see that we have enough money to make a difference. I think investing in mass transit is a better approach, which might incentivize developers to invest at major transit nodes.

Focus on the Urban Commercial, Transit Oriented, and Regional District areas...?

http://planokc.org/wp-content/upload...p_20150611.pdf

[gopokes88]

This to me is the only MAPS for Neighborhoods plan that makes sense. Britton could also be targeted, although if we get rail transit it will likely be revitalized, as it is close to what would be a likely stop. But if you look, the areas mentioned all have old commercial buildings easy to revitalize, all of which likely arose pre-car culture. It is going to be extremely difficult to change the post 60s neighborhoods to areas like this, unless we arbitrarily pick the closest strip mall and Disney-fi it. People now want what we had pre-car, and the newer neighborhoods may suffer for it. I don't see that we have enough money to make a difference. I think investing in mass transit is a better approach, which might incentivize developers to invest at major transit nodes.

Might? It def will. Although mass transit will be on maps5 after everyone sees what the street car does. The growth in AA is going to blow everyone away.

[bchris02]

Another approach would be to invest in each of the commercial district revitalization programs which would include Uptown, Western Avenue, NE 23rd, Windsor District, NW 10th street, Capitol Hill, and probably a few others I have forgotten.

I could definitely get behind this.

The MAPS 4 Neighborhoods idea that a lot of people are throwing around simply spreads the money too thin to make a real impact.

[betts]

Might? It def will. Although mass transit will be on maps5 after everyone sees what the street car does. The growth in AA is going to blow everyone away.

MAPS 5 is 20+ years away. If we wait that long for better transit, we will fall dramatically farther behind other cities than we already have. MAPS4 needs to be about transit, and perhaps each major stop needs an amenity or incentive funding for development.

[gopokes88]

MAPS 5 is 20+ years away. If we wait that long for better transit, we will fall dramatically farther behind other cities than we already have. MAPS4 needs to be about transit, and perhaps each major stop needs an amenity or incentive funding for development.

Yeah that's not gonna happen.

If it's 20 years out at that point mass transit is going to have serious competition with self driving cars and a smart street system that all cars communicate together through the road networks and the car finds the quickest most efficient route home.

[betts]

Yeah that's not gonna happen.

If it's 20 years out at that point mass transit is going to have serious competition with self driving cars and a smart street system that all cars communicate together through the road networks and the car finds the quickest most efficient route home.

Maybe if the cars participate in Uber pool. Otherwise, self-driving cars do nothing to eliminate congestion and/or contribute to cleaner air and less energy consumption. They are not a magical solution to traffic or pollution problems.

[gopokes88]

Maybe if the cars participate in Uber pool. Otherwise, self-driving cars do nothing to eliminate congestion and/or contribute to cleaner air and less energy consumption. They are not a magical solution to traffic or pollution problems.

Your cars wifi connects to the city wide street system, analyzes where the traffic is and determines the quickest route home. It's not much different then what a mapping system does now, except for since all the cars will be self driving it'll alleviate the human errors of driving. Like cutting people off when the left lane ends, not overloading a particular street, merging will be efficient as the cars on the freeway communicate with the on ramping cars to create space, etc etc.

That sounds a lot easier and more doable then trying to make a sprawl city urban.

Basically induced demand will be dead because your car would know X intersection is at its traffic capacity seek alternative route.

Could take 40 years though. Youd need an entire generation change in thinking to shift to, "I don't need to drive, I've got a car for that." The grey hairs in society will be its my right to drive blah blah

[Plutonic Panda]

Yeah I'm thinking it will be a long road to get there. You're not going to have the super efficiency with people driving around the automated cars, so I think for the first 10 years it will really be more of a luxury thing.

I wonder how long it will be until certain roads and highways are banned for "human" driving. I am venturing to guess major intercity highways and roads would have manual driving banned at least during rush hour down the line.

It's going to be interesting. I think the first fully autonomous cars come online this year or next year. 2017 Mercedes C Class has an autonomous mode.

[ctchandler]

The grey hairs in society will be its my right to drive blah blah

Gopokes,
This "Grey Hair" guy would love to have a self driving car. I could enjoy more than two beers, my macular degeneration wouldn't prevent me from "driving" my self driving car. I just wish they would hurry up because I think I'm close to the end of my driving days.
C. T.

[Tundra]

Gopokes,
This "Grey Hair" guy would love to have a self driving car. I could enjoy more than two beers, my macular degeneration wouldn't prevent me from "driving" my self driving car. I just wish they would hurry up because I think I'm close to the end of my driving days.
C. T.

When Audi can build a self driving race car that runs 150mph on a road course, you're not far off from getting your wish.....check this video out if you haven't seen it before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol3g7i64RAI

[Urban Pioneer]

I went to their meeting the other night at The Ralph Ellison Library. It was well attended. Very politically smart of them to start in Councilman Pettis' Ward 7. I am not sure if that move was strategic. Regardless, really good move to help their objectives gain traction.

[betts]

Personally, I'm much more interested in a "someone other than me" driven train. Self driving cars do nothing to change living patterns or promote urbanism, they do nothing to ameliorate the isolation our society has created for itself, they do nothing to decrease infrastructure, they do nothing to improve air quality. I think they're an improvement over people driven cars, most likely, but nothing more.

[Laramie]

Future MAPS timeline if we stay on current 7 year (collection cycle) schedule:

Our timeline might look like this:

MAPS III (Current 7 year, $777 million) expires December 2017; with a vote probably the first week of that month to approve MAPS IV.

MAPS IV collection begin December 2017 for estimated 7 year, $850 million package expiring around December 2024--then MAPS V a massive $1 billion projects vote.

Where are we now:

MAPS I - $350 million
MAPS for Kids - $512 million for OKC's portion of $700 million area schools' package.
MAPS for HOOPS - $100 million (6 month extension--Ford Center upgrades/NBA practice facility)
MAPS III - $777 million (current collections)

Some MAPS (build-as-you collect) projects have a completion overlap of 3-4 years into the next MAPS' collection cycle. Hope these turn out to be future conservative figures.

[Urbanized]

^^^^^^^
There was no six month extension on the arena upgrades and practice facility initiative. The only extension during the history of MAPS was with the very first installment, to cover a projected shortfall that threatened the initial construction of the arena itself. The extension was passed by a vote of the people in 1998.

[Pete]

In case this hasn't been posted; bunch of meetings planned in the various council districts to receive community input:

[gopokes88]

Gopokes,
This "Grey Hair" guy would love to have a self driving car. I could enjoy more than two beers, my macular degeneration wouldn't prevent me from "driving" my self driving car. I just wish they would hurry up because I think I'm close to the end of my driving days.
C. T.

True true. Think of it like email. There was a chunk of society that refused to embrace it, but they changed eventually. Now after 20 years, it's 100% necessary and everyone has it.
Same thing will happen with cars. In 20 years self driving cars will be common but there will be a chunk of society that refuses to adopt it, but 20 years after that the person driving will be the unsafe un-insurable weirdo who is driving by hand. (Some cities might even make it illegal.)

[gopokes88]

Personally, I'm much more interested in a "someone other than me" driven train. Self driving cars do nothing to change living patterns or promote urbanism, they do nothing to ameliorate the isolation our society has created for itself, they do nothing to decrease infrastructure, they do nothing to improve air quality. I think they're an improvement over people driven cars, most likely, but nothing more.

But the assumption here is that people will all want to live urban. Which is never going to be the case. And urbanism would lose the infrastructure/traffic argument because self driving cars would alleviate traffic problems. Gasoline cars aren't going to be around forever, hydrogen cars are coming and the air humidity will pick up. (Hydrogen cars emit H2O)

If society doesn't want to change living patterns they won't, and self driving cars will be a boost for suburban lifestyle.

[betts]

But the assumption here is that people will all want to live urban. Which is never going to be the case. And urbanism would lose the infrastructure/traffic argument because self driving cars would alleviate traffic problems. Gasoline cars aren't going to be around forever, hydrogen cars are coming and the air humidity will pick up. (Hydrogen cars emit H2O)

If society doesn't want to change living patterns they won't, and self driving cars will be a boost for suburban lifestyle.

Of course all people will not want to live in urban areas. But saying some won't should not be an excuse to refrain from investing in mass transit. Oklahoma City, without significant improvement in existing mass transit, will have difficulty competing with cities who already have such investment. In addition, not everyone will be able to afford a self-driving car, and they will still require investments in roads and bridges, with associated upkeep.

[SouthSide]

Does anyone know if they plan to hold community forums outside of the core?

[krisb]

Does anyone know if they plan to hold community forums outside of the core?

Tulakes is near NW 63rd and Rockwell.

[bradh]

Tulakes is near NW 63rd and Rockwell.

in what's starting to resemble a war zone in some of those apartment complexes.