I almost hope it doesn't happen now, just for selfish reasons of having to deal with the traffic on the way to work. :p We're about to move offices across from where these outlets will be.

any news yet about when will they will actually start construction

The outlet mall group still intends to build this but they are waiting until they can secure a few more leases.

Here's the latest article from Steve:

Oklahoma City officials are negotiating an extension for an incentives agreement with Michigan-based Horizon Group to build a 340,000-square-foot regional factory outlet mall. In a September interview, the company reported it needed between 70 percent and 75 percent of the mall to be pre-leased before work could begin.

Developers couldn’t be reached for comment Wednesday. But in a report provided to the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust, Horizon officials estimated they have about 69 percent of the project pre-leased with secured tenants, including Sak’s Fifth Avenue Off Fifth, Brooks Brothers, Tommy Hilfiger, Jones NY, Nine West, Nike and Carters.



Read more: NewsOK (http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-horizon-group-negotiate-on-proposed-shopping-center-with-factory-stores/article/3420334?custom_click=pod_headline_local-financial-news#ixzz0XyFIzjW1)

This type of development is precisely what OKC needs to keep tax revenue in the city. I have attempted to make that argument on other threads, but was fought tooth and nail because I am not a diehard MAPS supporter. If our goal is to increase tax revenue in this city, we need to do a better job developing the outer areas of the city.

Moore, Yukon, Edmond and MWC have all prospered due to a lack of vision on our parts. Look at all of their shopping corridors that could have easily been on the OKC side of the fence. Where do you think all of that tax revenue is going? It is not coming to OKC, that is for sure. Why would anyone want to drive closer to downtown or inner city to go shopping, when they easily go to a Moore or MWC or Yukon to get the same things.

My point being, we need to develop the business and shopping districts on the outer areas of the city to compete and keep OKC resident taxes in OKC.

We do a good job in NW OKC, N OKC, and now upcoming W OKC. We dont do such a good job in Downtown OKC, E OKC, NE OKC, SE OKC. We do a fair job in SW OKC and S OKC.

Just something to think about....

I could easily see future shopping and business development in East OKC towards the Lake Draper area, NW OKC towards Piedmont and far SW OKC towards Newcastle. Many people live in those areas or are moving to those areas.
Lets see what happens...

I'll believe it when I see it....

GO Horizon (outlet shoppes), Devon, downtown TIF, and Maps 3!!! What a great city to be a part of while the rest of the country is suffering with high unemployeement and empty shopping centers and office buildings.

I almost hope it doesn't happen now, just for selfish reasons of having to deal with the traffic on the way to work. :p We're about to move offices across from where these outlets will be.

Where will your offices be? I have been hearing a lot about the former Lucent Technologies campus just north of the proposed outlet center. They have a website, Mission Critical Data Center - Home (http://www.oklahomacityworks.com). Looks like a cool reuse of the great campus.

Why would anyone want to drive closer to downtown or inner city to go shopping, when they easily go to a Moore or MWC or Yukon to get the same things.

Stop acting like no one lives in the inner city. We don't want to have to drive to the suburbs to shop.

Does anybody know what that area next to the Edmond Walmart on I 35 Frontage Rd is going to be? I heard something about a mall, either that or a casino, going up right there but I wasn't for sure.

Stop acting like no one lives in the inner city. We don't want to have to drive to the suburbs to shop.


Do me a favor and read my entire post before replying. I did list the downtown area as one area of the city that needs shopping and the like as well as a few others. Downtown presents a unique challenge to developers, due to the close proximity of everything. Not saying it cant be done by any means, just suggesting that it is a little more complex.

Question to you, Where is a grocery store downtown?
Where is a drug store? Where do you downtowners, currently shop for goods at? Just curious....

The point that I am trying to make is that OKC is losing huge amounts of tax revenue to surrounding cities such as Moore, MWC, Yukon, Mustang, Edmond and the like, because they have captured the tax revenue on the outer portions of the city. THEY GET IT...

I am not discounting downtowners tax revenue at all. Quite the contrary. If you live downtown, you are less likely to drive out of OKC to shop, eat out etc. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, you downtowners need places to shop and eat. I just dont know where you are going to put a shopping district downtown, unless its on the river corridor eventually or towards the stockyards area. Im sure its on some master plan somewhere.

The outer area citizens are more likely to go out of the city to shop and eat out, if its closer and more convenient. Believe or not, they are huge numbers of people in these areas. Huge numbers that go to these smaller cities to eat out, shop etc. because they have no other choices.

Does it make living in the outer areas of the city any more important than you. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I think there is a balance there.

The outer area citizens are more likely to go out of the city to shop and eat out, if its closer and more convenient. Believe or not, they are huge numbers of people in these areas. Huge numbers that go to these smaller cities to eat out, shop etc. because they have no other choices.
Yup...far south side okc goes to Moore or Norman to shop. They are doing quite well. Their police officers and fireman are paid on a scale equal to OKC. They don't have an NBA team or canal full of bars either. Weird. :bright_id
West Okc residents go to Mustang or Yukon to shop. East residents go to Midwest City.

Does anybody know what that area next to the Edmond Walmart on I 35 Frontage Rd is going to be? I heard something about a mall, either that or a casino, going up right there but I wasn't for sure.

All of the I-35 retail developments from 15th to Covell are dead. The only project that will happen in the next 5 to 10 years will be adjacent the new Wal-Mart Supercenter. No population density to the east of I-35. Quail captures most everyone west of Broadway in Edmond. Just not enough folks in Edmond for the developments they have been proposing.

Question to you, Where is a grocery store downtown?
Where is a drug store? Where do you downtowners, currently shop for goods at? Just curious....


My wife and I moved from out of state and have lived in OKC proper for 1.5 years and have never been to Edmond or Moore. I shop at the grocery store on NW18th/Classen and there are two drug stores on NW23rd/Classen.

If you look at my urbanspoon profile, you would see that I eat 90% of the time in "inner city northwest" and the rest of the time in "suburb northwest" and occasionally to the east/south. We really don't have a reason to leave OKC proper.

I read your whole post, clearly I don't understand it.

actually west okc residents go to Westgate Marketplace at I-40 & MacArthur...Best Buy, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Petsmart, and others

Stop acting like no one lives in the inner city. We don't want to have to drive to the suburbs to shop.
It sucks doesnt it. That is the same reason I am not voting for maps. I dont want to have to drive downtown to enjoy what I am paying for. Interesting huh??


actually west okc residents go to Westgate Marketplace at I-40 & MacArthur...Best Buy, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Petsmart, and others
Actually, I am a West OKC resident as are a LOT of my friends, and most of us shop in Yukon, with a few exceptions of Walmart in Mustang. We have Target, Walmart, Petsmart and a lot more.

actually west okc residents go to Westgate Marketplace at I-40 & MacArthur...Best Buy, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Petsmart, and others
Before the Westgate Marketplace, most of the citizens in those areas shopped exclusively in Yukon and Mustang.

Yes, you are correct. The Westgate Marketplace, whether they know it or not, actually competes and keeps tax revenue in OKC which otherwise would be going totally to Yukon and Mustang for the most part. Bethany and Warr Acres may receive some, but mostly Yukon and Mustang because of the new shopping districts that have been added in their cities in the last 5 yrs. or so.

In my humble opinion, we as a city are doing a terrible job on the Eastside of OKC, MWC is making a killing in their new shopping district, we need to look East and SE to try to get ahead and try to capture a lions share of the remaining tax revenue if possible in those areas before MWC, Shawnee, Moore and Norman, do anything else to take it to their side of the fence.

Has anyone thought that there may be other reasons why sales tax collections in OKC have been down the last 9 months or so other than a bad economy. We are supposed to be the number 1 most recession proof city in the United States if I am not mistaken. I wonder how much of an increase in tax revenue that Moore, Norman, and MWC have had in the last year or so. I wonder if it is a significant enough increase to offset our decrease. Just something to think about....Have I made my point yet.

Subsidizing retail is one of the stupidest ideas in public policy - retail is a product of an economy not a driver. People can currently buy these products now from existing retailers - I know the guy who wrote the book, literally - read and understand why - The Great American Jobs Scam, by Greg LeRoy (http://www.greatamericanjobsscam.com/)

Subsidizing retail is one of the stupidest ideas in public policy - retail is a product of an economy not a driver. People can currently buy these products now from existing retailers - I know the guy who wrote the book, literally - read and understand why - The Great American Jobs Scam, by Greg LeRoy (http://www.greatamericanjobsscam.com/)

I am not suggesting that we fund or subsidize this growth. I am saying that we need to wholeheartly promote this growth and work to get that type of development in our city and not Moore, MWC, Yukon, Mustang, Norman, Edmond, just to mention a few who have capitalized on our inability or inattention to get this done. THEY GET IT AND WE DONT, the concept and our tax dollars...

Yup...far south side okc goes to Moore or Norman to shop. They are doing quite well. Their police officers and fireman are paid on a scale equal to OKC. They don't have an NBA team or canal full of bars either. Weird. :bright_id
West Okc residents go to Mustang or Yukon to shop. East residents go to Midwest City.

all of those cities exist because of OKLAHOMA CITY, you know - that's why their suburbs of the Oklahoma City metropolitian area

and not the Yukon Metro area or Norman Metro area.

And WAY more people shop than just police and firefighters. Some of you Not this proponents ONLY CARE about your own issues and nobody else. Your statement iron would leave one to believe that every person in Moore or Norman were firefighters or policeman.

Moore and Norman have what they have because of their close proximity to OKC. Don't they use OKC's demographics when they court businesses to come to their community? Im sure the 1.3M residents of OKC metro comes into play there (and the biggest single chunk of people comes from OKC city, not any one suburb - regardless of the target demographic).

Let's don't get too carried away here - on tv or the news, it's always Oklahoma City or it's suburbs. That's the free ride that the suburbs benefit from.



That being said - I'm happy for the metro and OKC that the Oklahoma Factory Shoppes is being built in the West. Downtown or the inner city is not the place to put factory outlet malls *or any mall for that matter.

actually west okc residents go to Westgate Marketplace at I-40 & MacArthur...Best Buy, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Petsmart, and others

Exactly. And as soon as you go east on I-40 past downtown and some industrial areas, you are in Del City and MWC. Areas north of those suburbs are much less dense, so of course they drive south to those areas.

Southside has had plenty of options in the past at Crossroads and along I-240. They let those shopping centers fall into disrepair by fleeing to newer trendy shopping areas in Moore.

And there is a huge reverse effect in Edmond, where a huge chunk of the shopping and dining and the only mall is in OKC.

There are also no malls in Moore, Yukon, or Midwest City. Penn Square is a major tax-revenue generator.

There have been major retail developments in the last 10 years in the Belle Isle area, all around Penn Square, at Council and NW Expressway, and the Westgate Marketplace area. I REALLY, REALLY, don't see what populated areas of the OKC city limits are lacking in retail options (other than downtown of course).

A sign was being put up facing I40 showing outlet shoppes coming soon. While this is a good sign (being figurative), it's still not 100% done deal.

I knew they would start this back up again! Only a matter of time.

I saw that sign going up! I got a bit excited. At least it is moving somewhat forward. Hopefully that will bring more stores somehow.

i also saw the sign when is construction gonna start?

Is this still by the same Horizon Development company that originally started this?

Has the Chamber of Commerce been talking to these developers about maybe some local stores are cafes having space. It sounds like they are on the threshhold of opening but need just a few more stores. The Chamber could make this happen!

That would be pretty unusual for an outlet mall.

This would be a great thing for OKC and hopefully keep some of our dollars from going to Texas. Only if we can spend our money locally will it bring other national chains to OKC, such as Tulsa getting an Anthropoligie store. I'm excited about Whole Foods and the likelihood of an outlet mall. We are progressing, slowly, but at least it's in the right direction.

Actually, I think the "spend money locally" is an easy excuse. In reality, one of the things the national stores like Anthropologie look at is where their catalog sales come from and how many people are shopping at their stores from particular regions. They'll ask you for your zip code if you buy something, and that's why. If that's one of their criteria, it is diametrically opposed to the shop local concept.

But, if we get the stores I want in the Factory Shoppes, I'll be excited to have that as an additional shopping option.

Does anyone have an updated list of tennants?

all of those cities exist because of OKLAHOMA CITY, you know - that's why their suburbs of the Oklahoma City metropolitian area

and not the Yukon Metro area or Norman Metro area.


Norman certainly doesn't exist because of OKC. The lame parts of Norman, yes, but not most of Norman..

im sure more people in Norman depend on OKC than people in OKC depend on Norman.

im sure more people in Norman depend on OKC than people in OKC depend on Norman.

Except on Game Day...LOL

Just a quick update on the Factory Shoppes.

I drove by today and they are prepping to start moving dirt as early as this coming week. They have a blue retaining mesh up all around the proposed site and have placed a coming soon sign facing I-40. They have a couple large dirt movers parked and ready to go.

Just a quick update on the Factory Shoppes.

I drove by today and they are prepping to start moving dirt as early as this coming week. They have a blue retaining mesh up all around the proposed site and have placed a coming soon sign facing I-40. They have a couple large dirt movers parked and ready to go.

Exciting!

What's your source knowing they are going to start dirtwork soon? They've had the sign up for awhile now and have had equipment on there.

Just a quick update on the Factory Shoppes.

I drove by today and they are prepping to start moving dirt as early as this coming week. They have a blue retaining mesh up all around the proposed site and have placed a coming soon sign facing I-40. They have a couple large dirt movers parked and ready to go.


What's your source knowing they are going to start dirtwork soon? They've had the sign up for awhile now and have had equipment on there.


how do you cite someones eyes? :doh:

well I'm saying I've seen it up for awhile too, doesn't mean they are going to "start work"

I've got a buddy that works at an store near the construction site and he said there were construction guys in there making copies of plans and there and everything has been marked off at the site. Looks like it's getting started!

its about time, i will be going that way this weekend to the old route 66 farm, i cant wait to get a outlet mall in this city

Dirtwork starts today, this from Silver Star Construction. Scrapers & dozers have been over there a few days - Monday they were in a lake. Lots of dirt to be trucked in.

Dirtwork starts today, this from Silver Star Construction. Scrapers & dozers have been over there a few days - Monday they were in a lake. Lots of dirt to be trucked in.

Any way to find out if the original stores are still the ones that will be in there?

Attached image & PDF with layout of shops including names. Excited about some of the big names shops that are coming.

Sample of shops:
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Gap, Johnston & Murphy, Coach, Banana Republic, Brooks Brothers, tons more. Looks 95% leased out.

So that imagine is 100% not readable since it is so small.

updated w/ PDF

Attached image & PDF with layout of shops including names. Excited about some of the big names shops that are coming.

Sample of shops:
Nike, Puma, Adidas, Gap, Johnston & Murphy, Coach, Banana Republic, Brooks Brothers, tons more. Looks 95% leased out.

Very Cool! Cant wait for this to open!

Yeah!!!:Smiley112

Are we sure these all are leased out? Like are we sure that Gap or Nike have actually signed the leases?

It looks like they did some dirtwork today! They have the area fenced off with the construction blue fencing.

I can't wait for this and Whole Foods to open! Shoes and food!

Question for whoever may be in the know:

- On the PDF the date at the bottom is October 25, 2006. Is it safe to assume much has changed since the original plan?

I want to believe that the site will look like that with those stores, but forgive me for being pessimistic.

It looks like they did some dirtwork today! They have the area fenced off with the construction blue fencing.

I can't wait for this and Whole Foods to open! Shoes and food!

Can you cite your source? Haha, jk lol.

A Brooks Brothers outlet? J&M?

Life is good!

Sigh... still no sign of Esprit or Club Monaco. : (

Question for whoever may be in the know:

- On the PDF the date at the bottom is October 25, 2006. Is it safe to assume much has changed since the original plan?

KB Toys is not even in business anymore, so I'm fairly certain they won't have an outlet store here. Same with Petite Sophisticate. Wilson's Leather sold its stores to PreVu (which declared bankruptcy a year or so ago), so I wouldn't expect them to open a new Wilson's Outlet. I wouldn't get too excited about this old site plan since the economic landscape has changed quite a bit since it was created.

Last year I was in the Brooks Brothers outlet in Allen, TX. The cashier asked where I was from and when I told her OKC she said we were supposed to be getting a Brooks Brothers outlet. For what its worth, it just might be true. I sure hope so.

I've heard saks, Nike, coach and gap are some that will be opening there.

I would like to see a Ralph Lauren. The best one hands down is in Branson. That's a long drive and I don't get there often. There is/was one in Allen,Tx, but not as good as the Branson location.