anyways.. this is what I do to Classen if they are dead set on running the streetcar on it
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kind of like the BLVD.

Get rid of the median. Run the street car down the middle with a rod-iron fence between the traffic and the tracks (except for at stops and intersections) from there toward the outside: 2 lanes, small curb then bike lanes (dutch style (http://www.okctalk.com/current-events-open-topic/33849-going-dutch.html)), sidewalk, building, parking.

This better?

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I couldn't find any wrought iron fence though. But you get the idea

Transit shelter would go in the median too, but yeah.

OK so why even post opinions on a message board then if all you're going to get is someone telling you to take it to the politicians?

The problem is lack of ambition here. That is all I am going to say.

Because how else do you get something on a ballot? Opinions are fine, but if you really want something, you have to work for it. Nothing gets handed to us in life. To do otherwise is lack of ambition IMO.

Because how else do you get something on a ballot? Opinions are fine, but if you really want something, you have to work for it. Nothing gets handed to us in life. To do otherwise is lack of ambition IMO.fair enough

OK so why even post opinions on a message board then if all you're going to get is someone telling you to take it to the politicians?

I for one, think Maglev would be great and Japan is currently testing technologies that could make MagLev exceed 400MPH....

We have a monster of a state directly to the south that is greatly interested in connecting to us via HSR, so why not put a billion up and rake in the returns? In my view, getting HSR in Oklahoma connecting to the Texas triangle HSR might be one of the biggest things in the states history and even the country. It truly would be something remarkable.
The problem is lack of ambition here. That is all I am going to say. Putting a bond proposal to secure a few billion over the next couple years would be well worth it. I honestly don't care what happens with Tulsa, but if OKC was connected to Dallas and the rest of Texas, the long term economic effects would be amazing. The only downside I could think of is a possibility more people might go to DFW International Airport, but whatever. If we won't ever get a hub like Venture and Catch22 say is unlikely, I say then we can keep our airport small and reek in the other benefits.

Panda, you nailed it ! Texas is going to do with the Mag-Lev Triangle just like they did w/ Southwest airlines and we need to be ready to go when they turn the switch on.

The HSR to Dallas will be the next step in transportation. ...so why not have our OKC Metro Rail be of the same system ? ...this is the one thing that does make sense. If OKC is connected directly to this HSR artery that Texas is putting in place now, then OKC will not be "cut-off" to the billions of economic growth.

The OKC Metro Light Rail should be of Mag-Lev system and we would not have to build this twice.

I for one, think Maglev would be great and Japan is currently testing technologies that could make MagLev exceed 400MPH....

We have a monster of a state directly to the south that is greatly interested in connecting to us via HSR, so why not put a billion up and rake in the returns? In my view, getting HSR in Oklahoma connecting to the Texas triangle HSR might be one of the biggest things in the states history and even the country. It truly would be something remarkable.

The Maglev in Japan would link Tokyo (largest population in the world with close to 37 million people) to the Chubu region of Japan which has close to nine million people. I agree HSR south to Dallas is the ultimate goal but having that kind of cost for commuters of a city of 1.3 million doesn't make sense.

I am not accepting the position of a few committee members decision ( ACOG ) for the rest of us. Not when the USR stated that Light Rail is the Best Solution too.

You need to get your facts straight.

1) ACOG is just sponsoring the Commuter Corridor Study and Regional Transit Dialogue. Their staff is not the Steering Committee and they do not have a role in the decision-making.
2) The Steering Committee is not just a "few people". It's made up of more than 30 elected public officials, civic and business leaders and other representatives from the various municipalities involved, including Mayors and Councilmembers from Oklahoma City, Edmond, Norman and Midwest City.
3) It's not USR...it's URS Corporation and they are recognized international experts in rail transit system planning and development.
4) URS did NOT state that Light Rail is the best solution. In fact, their analysis found that Light Rail was "not warranted" for our system. The truth of the matter is that URS recommended Commuter Rail as the preferred rail transit solution for the Edmond and Norman corridors, and they recommended Bus Rapid Transit or Rapid Streetcar for the Midwest City corridor.
5) The conservative cost estimate provided by URS for development of Light Rail service was NOT $40 million per mile. It was nearly double that figure at almost $80 million per mile.
6) Commuter Rail was the rail transit mode of choice by a majority of public who took part in URS' open houses, webinars and online surveys.
7) Unlike the Amtrak Heartland Flyer, which does operate on a shared single mainline track with Freight Rail, the Commuter Rail system recommended by URS for the Oklahoma City metropolitan area is based on installation of a second mainline track on which Commuter Rail trains will operate independently and without interference from Freight Rail traffic during normal operational hours.
8) All Commuter Rail operations through Santa Fe Intermodal Station and at all other system stations will NOT require passengers to cross active freight or passenger rail lines or to enter active rail yards. Passengers will safely access and board all Commuter Rail trains directly from passenger platforms accessed directly from those stations.

Betts is right. If you're convinced you have the answer, then you should become a part of the political and technical processes, like many of the rest of us who are already working with our civic leaders and the planning and engineering consultants to try to develop an affordable and workable transit system for Oklahoma City that the voters will support. Short of that, your rants on this forum will have little meaning or impact.

No one is spending a billion dollars + without voter approval. I would suggest running for city council, or lobbying your city councilors hard to make this the next MAPS election, because it would be the only thing on the ballot at that price. All the talk in the world on a message board accomplishes nothing. Without political involvement, other people are going to make the decisions they want to make. And that billion + dollars means the only thing we're spending money on is light rail. We're no Dallas, with a population to generate that kind of money and then some.

Betts, thanks for the tip. I'm not running for election, I will just help make our current ACOG members work for me. :) I will keep pressure on them to make the right decisions now.

You just told me why you are having an issue with this Light Rail ( mag-lev ) system, because it will not leave room for the other "pet" projects. Also, so what I am hearing from you is that we should use MAPS as a tool to "let's give them something to chew on" like a Heavy Diesel Train sharing Freight Lines for a regional commute...? Many of you are OK with spending $350 - $500 Million on a "just ok / average" solution for our commute? ....you are OK with providing this product when so few will ride it? ... you are OK with having a new product in place, but sending the consumers to the worst part of town? ...??? THAT, is NOT acceptable !

Let me tell you what is acceptable. People don't mind spending $ 1.6 - $ 2 Billion if they know they will have a great experience / if helps make their lives better & solves problems ( ie OU student getting from one campus to another / Grandma from Edmond that needs to get to OU Health / Single Mom from Yukon getting to work in the booming downtown district in a Safe manner....????? This system will be placed in the existing booming business districts along the freeways. The People will vote YES for that.

This Light Rail will provide the economic boost that ALL the cities involved can manage. This will be the shot in the arm for each local economy. Yukon / MWC / Edmond / Norman / Mustang / Moore..etc. We can't afford NOT to do this.

You need to get your facts straight.

1) ACOG is just sponsoring the Commuter Corridor Study and Regional Transit Dialogue. Their staff is not the Steering Committee and they do not have a role in the decision-making.
2) The Steering Committee is not just a "few people". It's made up of more than 30 elected public officials, civic and business leaders and other representatives from the various municipalities involved, including Mayors and Councilmembers from Oklahoma City, Edmond, Norman and Midwest City.
3) It's not USR...it's URS Corporation and they are recognized international experts in rail transit system planning and development.
4) URS did NOT state that Light Rail is the best solution. In fact, their analysis found that Light Rail was "not warranted" for our system. The truth of the matter is that URS recommended Commuter Rail as the preferred rail transit solution for the Edmond and Norman corridors, and they recommended Bus Rapid Transit or Rapid Streetcar for the Midwest City corridor.
5) The conservative cost estimate provided by URS for development of Light Rail service was NOT $40 million per mile. It was nearly double that figure at almost $80 million per mile.
6) Commuter Rail was the rail transit mode of choice by a majority of public who took part in URS' open houses, webinars and online surveys.
7) Unlike the Amtrak Heartland Flyer, which does operate on a shared single mainline track with Freight Rail, the Commuter Rail system recommended by URS for the Oklahoma City metropolitan area is based on installation of a second mainline track on which Commuter Rail trains will operate independently and without interference from Freight Rail traffic during normal operational hours.
8) All Commuter Rail operations through Santa Fe Intermodal Station and at all other system stations will NOT require passengers to cross active freight or passenger rail lines or to enter active rail yards. Passengers will safely access and board all Commuter Rail trains directly from passenger platforms accessed directly from those stations.

Betts is right. If you're convinced you have the answer, then you should become a part of the political and technical processes, like many of the rest of us who are already working with our civic leaders and the planning and engineering consultants to try to develop an affordable and workable transit system for Oklahoma City that the voters will support. Short of that, your rants on this forum will have little meaning or impact.

All of you ( that disagree with me on this one ) should watch this. ( warning graphic )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w612s5faYtE

Hutch, when you say "affordable & workable transit system for Oklahoma City", this is what you are giving them. There is a reason it is so cheap. My wife is worth more than just "workable & affordable". This was a lady that died because the system in place was "average and doable". My role is to think this through even when the councilmen / mayors / committee members don't.

When I think of the reality that is here, it should be bone chilling to "dumb down" a system for the sake of a few million. The Santa Fe Intermodal Station may be dedicated but your other outlying stations will be a mix of freight & commuter lines on the same area. This is the Un-Acceptable.

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

All of you ( that disagree with me on this one ) should watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w612s5faYtE

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Well that was graphic unacceptable and uncalled for. Thanks for taking this to a new low

Well that was graphic unacceptable and uncalled for. Thanks for taking this to a new low

This is WHY I am passionate about a system that keeps your family safe. I want to make sure your family gets home safely and they can continue to be the Mom & Dad they should be. No family should have to be without a loved one because of the system was not safe.

...no laws were broken in this situation w/ the mother. It is just what happens when the factors are greater than 0 in a system....then it is just a matter of time.

Let's keep the people we love out of harms way to begin with. Let's have an elevated system that takes them out of the equation.

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

Cuatro, did you see the video? ...are you ok with a system like that one? one that places ladies on their commute in harms way? ...one that places un-suspecting people in an area where their lives are at risk?

You can call me a troll all day long, if it saves lives and gets your family home to you after long day working in the downtown area and then just trying to rush home to catch a ball-game w/ their kids. ????

Sometimes, people have other things on their mind after a long day....and it is not their surroundings. They are on the phone or texting and not paying attention to the "risks" they are subject to and don't even know they are in harms way. ...so let's not put them there.

Well that was graphic unacceptable and uncalled for. Thanks for taking this to a new low

And also from 1991, 23 years ago. My grandad died when his car was struck by a train in Orlando in 1961, should I be against all trains due to this? No, rules and regulations have changed since all of this has happened.

And also from 1991, 23 years ago. My grandad died when his car was struck by a train in Orlando in 1961, should I be against all trains due to this? No, rules and regulations have changed since all of this has happened.

Rules & Regulations don't replace loved ones. Like I said, the woman that lost here life in this video...there were no rules or laws broken. Just the system that placed loved ones too close to a fatal situation.

Let's start with the Best Solution first, and then modifiy accordingly.

All of you ( that disagree with me on this one ) should watch this. ( warning graphic )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w612s5faYtE

Hutch, when you say "affordable & workable transit system for Oklahoma City", this is what you are giving them. There is a reason it is so cheap. My wife is worth more than just "workable & affordable". This was a lady that died because the system in place was "average and doable". My role is to think this through even when the councilmen / mayors / committee members don't.

When I think of the reality that is here, it should be bone chilling to "dumb down" a system for the sake of a few million. The Santa Fe Intermodal Station may be dedicated but your other outlying stations will be a mix of freight & commuter lines on the same area. This is the Un-Acceptable.

Hutch, you and your 30 friends / mayors / councilmen can't say you did not know what the risks are. Like I said, a few people making a poor decision for the many.

So, what stops would be best for commuters? Would this be along the rail line that runs parallel with 235/35? I think a 23, 63, Memorial and 2nd street would be best for Edmond and I am not sure about Moore/Norman. Lindsey in Norman just because it is close to campus and 4th in Moore due to the surrounding retail. Where else?

I blocked OKVision4U a looooooong time ago so I wouldn't have to waste my input.

23rd would be interesting because it'd have to be under 235 behind and to the east of Byrons Liquor store.

I blocked OKVision4U a looooooong time ago so I wouldn't have to waste my input.

23rd would be interesting because it'd have to be under 235 behind and to the east of Byrons Liquor store.

Yeah, I would think it would have to be the area south of On-Cue on the south side of 23rd. I am sure that is gov't owned land so getting access to it might not be as difficult as a normal property owner.

That would also link up close to a streetcar line running either up Broadway/Robinson or ideally Lincoln, then coming west.

So, what stops would be best for commuters? Would this be along the rail line that runs parallel with 235/35? I think a 23, 63, Memorial and 2nd street would be best for Edmond and I am not sure about Moore/Norman. Lindsey in Norman just because it is close to campus and 4th in Moore due to the surrounding retail. Where else?

yes, those areas would be much better for the commuter. It also takes advantage of the existing commerce already in-place at those locations. I'm not sure if 23rd is needed though.

If the line is Elevated and Dedicated to commuters only, then you have a much better system for all.

I blocked OKVision4U a looooooong time ago so I wouldn't have to waste my input.

23rd would be interesting because it'd have to be under 235 behind and to the east of Byrons Liquor store.

I was getting help from you and I did not even know it.

Hutch, you and your 30 friends / mayors / councilmen can't say you did not know what the risks are. Like I said, a few people making a poor decision for the many.

Like I said, spewing misinformation and fear is getting you nowhere. The truth of the matter is there are deadly accidents involving all rail transit modes, virtually all involving either suicide or human error.

In fact, there were more fatalities on UTA's TRAX Light Rail system (10) than there were on UTA's Frontrunner Commuter Rail system (2) in 2011 and 2012.

Not even Monorail systems are foolproof, as evidenced by the following:

Fatal Monorail Crash (http://www.examiner.com/article/fatal-disney-world-monorail-crash-caused-by-employee-error-flawed-disney-policy)

Like I also said, if you want to be taken seriously and make a real difference, drop the rhetoric and aspersions and get directly involved in the process.

...Like I also said, if you want to be taken seriously and make a real difference, drop the rhetoric and aspersions and get directly involved in the process.

Oh come on, where's the fun in THAT?

Like I said, spewing misinformation and fear is getting you nowhere. The truth of the matter is there are deadly accidents involving all rail transit modes, virtually all involving either suicide or human error.
In fact, there were more fatalities on UTA's TRAX Light Rail system (10) than there were on UTA's Frontrunner Commuter Rail system (2) in 2011 and 2012.

Not even Monorail systems are foolproof, as evidenced by the following:

Fatal Monorail Crash (http://www.examiner.com/article/fatal-disney-world-monorail-crash-caused-by-employee-error-flawed-disney-policy)

Like I also said, if you want to be taken seriously and make a real difference, drop the rhetoric and aspersions and get directly involved in the process.

Hutch, I'm not talking about someone that is trying to end their life by "jumping in front of a train", I'm talking about a flawed system from the start. That lady I showed you was just trying to cross the road. That by definition is a major concern when she did nothing wrong and her life was taken away. What are you NOTseeing here? If you and your ACOG team can't see that, then that is truly alarming.

( If you don't want the lock to be opened, then remove the key from the lock first. ) Then seperate them. This is Emergency Planning / Risk Management 101. Remove the Hazard out of the design completely, then engineer.

Elevated & Dedicated. Start with that ACOG. ...then add your "mode of transport" second.





ACOG, this is not about TRAINS OR MONEY, this is about PEOPLE.

Like I said, spewing misinformation and fear is getting you nowhere. The truth of the matter is there are deadly accidents involving all rail transit modes, virtually all involving either suicide or human error.

In fact, there were more fatalities on UTA's TRAX Light Rail system (10) than there were on UTA's Frontrunner Commuter Rail system (2) in 2011 and 2012.

Not even Monorail systems are foolproof, as evidenced by the following:

Fatal Monorail Crash (http://www.examiner.com/article/fatal-disney-world-monorail-crash-caused-by-employee-error-flawed-disney-policy)

Like I also said, if you want to be taken seriously and make a real difference, drop the rhetoric and aspersions and get directly involved in the process.

Fear is a good thing! I do have a healthy respect for life. Others may not. I will be 100% up-front w/ all of you on this subject. I will not be picking up any rattlesnakes, you won't see me on Sharkweek swimming with any Great Whites during their dinner time, and I'm not crossing the Mara River w/ the Wildabeast ( it is well known the Crocs feed at that time ). It is not a fear, it is a Respect for the Circumstances. ....just like our Commute Trains that are mixed-in with the freight lines. That is already a (Lethal) design, so why add that to our commute?

Let me ask all of you this, would you feel 100% comfortable at sending your 75 year old Grandmother ALONE to the OU Health downtown to get her checkup from Moore? Hutch, I don't need to waste time talking to a group ( Mayor / Councilment / Committe Member that is OK with this senario. If you don't care, then I can't help you on this one. If you don't understand it already, then 10 minutes is not going to enlighten you.

Vision or Thunder....I'm having a hard time deciding which one was more entertaining. LOL

The insults being thrown at Hutch and others though is just insane considering the amount of investment they have in seeing projects like this happen.

Time for Braums.

Vision or Thunder....I'm having a hard time deciding which one was more entertaining. LOL

The insults being thrown at Hutch and others though is just insane considering the amount of investment they have in seeing projects like this happen.

Time for Braums.

Venture, maybe your are a little too caught-up in the banter of this sandbox, but I was very serious when I demonstrated the "why" I am very engaged in this commute alternative called Heavy Trains sharing lines w/ Freight & Mixing the Entrance / Exit points in Moore / Norman / Edmond / MWC.

In case you did not see it, I will provide you a copy also, since you are a transportation expert as well. Warning, this is graphic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w612s5faYtE

Again, this is a very important issue when it comes to our loved ones. They deserve our best, not the "most feasible". Or the one that is "workable".

The insult Venture is when they try to "push" a product and then tell us its "safe".

I love Braums.

Vision, once again, derails a thread

Vision, once again, derails a thread


I see what you did there :yeahthat:

I love Braums.

Hoyasooner, Worth Cook, Venture...did you see the clip of the Lady trying to cross the tracks? ...and then let's talk about the type of safe commute we should have for our OKC Metro Commute.

Should we mix passengers w/ freight lines? ...shared points of entry....? ...share points of exit..?

Should we keep them seperate from harms way? ..maybe a system that is dedicated ONLY to commuters. ..maybe a system that is elevated away from the all the other exixting issues and providing a clean system to design from?

I'm waiting for him to start going off about blowing horns...

No matter what you do there is always going to be someone to walk/ride in a street and get hit by a car. Not pay attention and walk on tracks. Fall off an elevated platform of tracks, ect.

The best thing you can do is have signs and notices making people aware of what is going on around them.

And no, I don't need to watch the video. I got rookied as a kid to watch faces of death. Seen enough of that to last a lifetime. But ill take your word on it

I'm waiting for him to start going off about blowing horns...

Cautro, did you see the video of the lady trying to cross the tracks?

This is not an example of a person that made a mistake.... she didn't do anything wrong. She simply exited her commute train and walked to the crosswalk and ventured out into harms way.

This is NOT an acceptable "mishap". This is not a person falling from a platform. This is someone that died because the design was flawed. PERIOD.

The MOM did nothing wrong. There is Zero reason why she should not be here today.

What's "funny" about this video is the person crossing the tracks, sees the train coming tries to run anyway and gets hit instead of stopping. That would never happen now because there would be seperate points of entry for N/S, E/W bound trains. People are not going to be asked to cross the tracks to get to another train, they will have to take stairs or elevators to get up or down to a platform to take them across to the other side. There will be signs telling people not to cross the tracks and to use the alternate ways. There will be railings to deny people getting on to the tracks. So, with all those preventors in place and with the way other places have done it for 100 years, we should all of a sudden change the game because a few people are going to really, really, really stupid and try to do something, really, really, really dangerous? Why not make hangliding, bungee jumping and sky-diving illegal while you are at it? It is the same thing in that people make these decisions, knowing the risk and choose to do it anyways.

Hoyasooner, Worth Cook, Venture...did you see the clip of the Lady trying to cross the tracks?

I blame Tony Stewart for that.

I'm waiting for him to start going off about blowing horns...

CM, you are a design guy.... What would you design that could accomplish this Commute Train issue? ...how can we keep the passengers away from harm and still move volumes of people in close proximity?

I blame Tony Stewart for that.

Yep, saw the train accelerate around the curve...

No one is spending a billion dollars + without voter approval. I would suggest running for city council, or lobbying your city councilors hard to make this the next MAPS election, because it would be the only thing on the ballot at that price. All the talk in the world on a message board accomplishes nothing. Without political involvement, other people are going to make the decisions they want to make. And that billion + dollars means the only thing we're spending money on is light rail. We're no Dallas, with a population to generate that kind of money and then some.

Urban Pioneer, so you agree we should have a commuter train that is placing the "passenger" in harms way by allowing them to be in a second rate "feasible / workable" system? ..ie Moore / Norman / Edmond that don't have the Santa Fe station to keep passengers in a seperate entry / exit point. ...one that will share the same areas as the freight lines.

..or should we push for the Best Solution for our brothers & sisters,son's & daughters, wife & husband, Mom's & Dad's, Grandparents that we care about? ...one that will be in an Elevated System with Dedicated Lines and not in the freight yards ? ... Let's do that one!

Venture, maybe your are a little too caught-up in the banter of this sandbox, but I was very serious when I demonstrated the "why" I am very engaged in this commute alternative called Heavy Trains sharing lines w/ Freight & Mixing the Entrance / Exit points in Moore / Norman / Edmond / MWC.

In case you did not see it, I will provide you a copy also, since you are a transportation expert as well. Warning, this is graphic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w612s5faYtE

Again, this is a very important issue when it comes to our loved ones. They deserve our best, not the "most feasible". Or the one that is "workable".

The insult Venture is when they try to "push" a product and then tell us its "safe".

I did see your distasteful video. My response to that - how may people get struck by a train today at commuter rail stations? What cities have you been in and used their commuter rail service? List them.

I did see your distasteful video. My response to that - how may people get struck by a train today at commuter rail stations? What cities have you been in and used their commuter rail service? List them.

oh, I guess one death is not enough for you? And this is not my video, I just shared an example of Commuter Trains sharing track w/ Freight lines.

I did see your distasteful video. My response to that - how may people get struck by a train today at commuter rail stations? What cities have you been in and used their commuter rail service? List them.
I put a penny on a train track one time and it screwed that penny up

If we videotaped every plane crash, every car crash, every bike-ped, every auto-ped accident and used the degree of graphic-ness to determine what kind of transit to use, we would all be sitting in our homes. Regardless of whether we have commuter rail or not, there will be trains on tracks. People can be hit by them. That's not a reasonable reason to eschew heavy rail. I believe the statement "I think light rail is cool and that's why I want it" carries a bit more weight. So, as I said, that's a nice personal goal to work toward. But posting on a message board accomplishes little.

Fear is a good thing! I do have a healthy respect for life. Others may not. I will be 100% up-front w/ all of you on this subject. I will not be picking up any rattlesnakes, you won't see me on Sharkweek swimming with any Great Whites during their dinner time, and I'm not crossing the Mara River w/ the Wildabeast ( it is well known the Crocs feed at that time ). It is not a fear, it is a Respect for the Circumstances. ....just like our Commute Trains that are mixed-in with the freight lines. That is already a (Lethal) design, so why add that to our commute?

Let me ask all of you this, would you feel 100% comfortable at sending your 75 year old Grandmother ALONE to the OU Health downtown to get her checkup from Moore? Hutch, I don't need to waste time talking to a group ( Mayor / Councilment / Committe Member that is OK with this senario. If you don't care, then I can't help you on this one. If you don't understand it already, then 10 minutes is not going to enlighten you.

Yes, I would feel very comfortable sending my 75 year old grandmother alone to the Health Sciences Center. Of course, the last time she was in New York she spent all day riding mass transit and the Hop-A-Buses to see the sights.....alone! I remember her saying, "I went to the Bronx yesterday and I think I'm going to go to Brooklyn today" and none of us thought twice about it. She was 84 at the time, by the way. Here she walks everywhere and she thinks it's funny that if she's walking back from the grocery store people keep trying to give her a ride.

In Japan, kids as young as 7 ride mass transit.....all by themselves. Gasp.

You need a better argument.

Urban Pioneer, so you agree we should have a commuter train that is placing the "passenger" in harms way by allowing them to be in a second rate "feasible / workable" system? ..ie Moore / Norman / Edmond that don't have the Santa Fe station to keep passengers in a seperate entry / exit point. ...one that will share the same areas as the freight lines.

..or should we push for the Best Solution for our brothers & sisters,son's & daughters, wife & husband, Mom's & Dad's, Grandparents that we care about? ...one that will be in an Elevated System with Dedicated Lines and not in the freight yards ? ... Let's do that one!

Crickets

oh, I guess one death is not enough for you? And this is not my video, I just shared an example of Commuter Trains sharing track w/ Freight lines.

So should all planes be grounded? Cars banned from use? Pretty much what Betts is saying. You are using one incident, from 1991, to justify your comments for today. Please answer my questions as well instead of just dodging.

Have you taken the Metra in Chicago? Hey guess what, those lines are shared with freight.

Venture, maybe your are a little too caught-up in the banter of this sandbox, but I was very serious when I demonstrated the "why" I am very engaged in this commute alternative called Heavy Trains sharing lines w/ Freight & Mixing the Entrance / Exit points in Moore / Norman / Edmond / MWC.

No you're not…you're on an internet forum trying to change a bunch of people's minds.

I mean, I feel like I probably push my points too hard, but you're berating people with the same exact point just expecting them to change their stance and then you say that you're involved in trying to see your vision become reality when you have probably not attended a single meeting on the street-car or any meeting regarding public transit in OKC.

I've taken trains/metros in 5 to 10 cities, and in none of them would anying other than my own stupidity would have led to my loss of life.

Finally, I'm going to put this whole thing to rest with my evidence that completely eviscerates your video link:

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Like I said, I may value life a little more than others. If a little "fore thought" can help save a life.... then why not!!!

What part of THAT do you not underdstand ?

Like I said, I may value life a little more than others. If a little "fore thought" can help save a life.... then why not!!!

What part of THAT do you not underdstand ?

You are acting like no one wants to be safe. We all want to be safe and the protocols and procedures are in place now that make it safer. So, the Maglev technology does not allow for human error? Is there still a chance that people can walk on to the track? Again, you posted a video of someone getting hit by a train from 1991! What about all the car wrecks on highways that kill people? Should we outlaw cars? No, that would be silly, so why don't we make it as safe as possible by having separate entrances for E/W, N/S people so they don't have to cross the tracks, like the subway in any major city. Are you against the streetcar? Those will be at grade and people could walk across the tracks and get hit by one, have you considered that?

If we videotaped every plane crash, every car crash, every bike-ped, every auto-ped accident and used the degree of graphic-ness to determine what kind of transit to use, we would all be sitting in our homes. Regardless of whether we have commuter rail or not, there will be trains on tracks. People can be hit by them. That's not a reasonable reason to eschew heavy rail. I believe the statement "I think light rail is cool and that's why I want it" carries a bit more weight. So, as I said, that's a nice personal goal to work toward. But posting on a message board accomplishes little.

Your statement that Safety ( caring for Life ) is less important than " light rail is cool " ? .... well....

Let's all stop feeding the troll, put them on ignore, and move on to more substantive conversation.

So, where would be good stops on the MWC line? I am not familiar with that area enough to warrant an opinion. Also, I am not sure what line they would be using.

Let's all stop feeding the troll, put them on ignore, and move on to more substantive conversation.

Yup, he's back on ignore. Just report his posts since Pete and Martin don't read every thread, they tend to miss behavior such as what he tends to display on multiple threads.

The OKC Metro Light Rail should be of Mag-Lev system and we would not have to build this twice.

Lathen train collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathen_train_collision)

The Lathen train collision occurred on 22 September 2006 when a Transrapid magnetic levitation (or "maglev") train collided with a maintenance vehicle near Lathen, Germany, killing 23 people.

You are acting like no one wants to be safe. We all want to be safe and the protocols and procedures are in place now that make it safer. So, the Maglev technology does not allow for human error? Is there still a chance that people can walk on to the track? Again, you posted a video of someone getting hit by a train from 1991! What about all the car wrecks on highways that kill people? Should we outlaw cars? No, that would be silly, so why don't we make it as safe as possible by having separate entrances for E/W, N/S people so they don't have to cross the tracks, like the subway in any major city. Are you against the streetcar? Those will be at grade and people could walk across the tracks and get hit by one, have you considered that?

Let me bring a few of you up-to-speed on something. The OKC Metro Commuter is a NEW system being introduced to the public in OKC for the first time. This is not part of an existing system ( subway put in in 1922 and one that we have to work around or adapt our system to ). We have the luxury of a new system to enhance the quality of life, w/o being tied to an old industrial system previosly built in 1940. We don't have that. OKC is not NYC, and we don't have their existing infrastructure that we HAVE to add on to.

So why start in the Freight Yard? ...why start there when we don't have to? There is not one single reason why we should START our design in the freight yard. This is adding to the LOSS OF LIFE equation before we even build it. That is my issue. I don't accept that.

This is 2014 and we need to be a little more responsible than that. Take some accountability for our actions of the PRODUCT we offer to the people. It's time to grow up.

Let me bring a few of you up-to-speed on something. The OKC Metro Commuter is a NEW system being introduced to the public in OKC for the first time. This is not part of an existing system ( subway put in in 1922 and one that we have to work around or adapt our system to ). We have the luxury of a new system to enhance the quality of life, w/o being tied to an old industrial system previosly built in 1940. We don't have that. OKC is not NYC, and we don't have their existing infrastructure that we HAVE to add on to.

So why start in the Freight Yard? ...why start there when we don't have to? There is not one single reason why we should START our design in the freight yard. This is adding to the LOSS OF LIFE equation before we even build it. That is my issue. I don't accept that.

This is 2014 and we need to be a little more responsible than that. Take some accountability for our actions of the PRODUCT we offer to the people. It's time to grow up.

Like the Maglev train wreck that killed 23 people and injured 10 others? That loss of life equation?