I know, the restroom! yuk. But that's my point.. if he really wanted an encounter, do you think he would approach a stranger in a public bathroom?

And I agree.. I'd be shouting and screaming all the way to jail!! " I was out of toilet paper for goodness sakes!" The toilet paper defense... that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

It's such a weak accusation.. 'your foot touched mine and you ran your hand under the stall'.. so what? Did he say, 'I want sex'.. no. How many people in history have tried to express sexual interest .. ie... raised eyebrows?, dancing, buying drinks? etc etc.. come on.. this just floors me! Someone is on a witch hunt.

Karried...The cop was only in there because that restroom was a well known place for dudes who love the smell and look of public toilets and enjoy getting to know guys in that romantic atmosphere

No doubt in my mind that was what was going on in this case....Peering through the stall door, waiting for the stall next to him to open up...Touching the guys foot with yours and putting your hand under the stall palm up is pretty damning...Also had several other accusations pointing to homosexuality throughout his political career

Oh and the guilty plea doesn't help his case either

Karried...The cop was only in there because that restroom was a well known place for dudes who love the smell and look of public toilets and enjoy getting to know guys in that romantic atmosphere

Then that's entrapment. Is being gay illegal?

I can't get my mind around this.. I didn't even know it was illegal to suggest a sexual encounter. What is the actual law?

I know the guy is married and has a huge political career and hasn't he publicly spoken out against gays? So, yes he screwed up.

But I'm thinking of a regular joe wanting to meet someone....

The bottom line is that it surprises me that it is even illegal for a person to attempt to 'hook up' with someone regardless of the situation or circumstances. It just seem so invasive and overbearing.

What if he was just a normal guy trying to meet someone? Why is it okay for a guy in a bar to walk up to a woman and suggest sex ( verbally and physically) but not okay for a guy to do the same - because he is gay? It just seems like the rights of people are being squelched more and more.

Karried, I think it may have something to do with sex IN the restroom and public decency laws.

Ok, I'm Gay.
Do I "meet guys" in a public restroom? NO
There are other ways for gay men to meet.
Much the same way hetrosexuals do. Thru mutual friends, work,bars/clubs the internet.
But, if I was innocent I would fight the **** out of it Senator or not.
But when he attack Clinton for being "a bad, dirty, nasty,naughty boy", he open himself up to possiable extra scrunity.
Remember Jimmy Swaggert and his attack on Jim and Tammy Bakker.
GOD seems to dislike hypocrites, I just wished HE was more consistent in exposing it.

Karried, I think it may have something to do with sex IN the restroom and public decency laws.


wow.. so the signal this guy was given is a universal one? And does it mean that they were actually going to engage in a behavior in the bathroom stall itself? Okay, that is pretty gross, the bathrooms are usually pretty grungy .... but he didn't go any further than touching his foot right?

I think even prostitutes can't get arrested until they exchange or mention money.

I am naive I guess... but it just seems strange that such a law exists.. where's Midtowner.. what's the law?

No idea.

Going back to the original topic at hand...personal encounters with hypocrites...

I was reading a blog of someone who felt they were very important to this site, and they referred to a heavyweight person as Ms.GoodYearBlimp. This person also decided to (yet again) bash some of the current active members of this board, bringing up old history and lies. All the while, this person was preaching good manners and etiquette. I find that laughable.

This post is probably a violation of the TOS. If it must be deleted, then so be it. But I thought that to be a pretty hypocritical thing to do.

This person ought not be discussed here anymore, at least not in my always humble opinion. The subject is dead, buried, and I imagine were we to dig it back up, it would stink to high heaven by now.

Again.. just my ever so humble opinion.

Well look like we might know where mranderson went.

Was there ever a question?

Anyhow, I had some comments, but I'm not going to bring that crap back up on this board. Pete deserves better than to have the spectre of the former mod team haunting his greatly improved forum!

agreed. i think it's best to just ignore certain people and simply let their ramblings speak for themselves. such things don't deserve the dignity of a response. obviously this forum has moved on and is doing well. certainly he can do the same.

i would know whether or not this line of discussion is a violation of tos and take appropriate action... but gosh darn it, i'm just too green to know what to do. *shrugs shoulders*

-M

All righty. Just thought I'd point out an encounter with a hypocrite, since that's the topic. Didn't really have anything to add to the Senator Sex Scandal. I wasn't trying to dredge up old history or anything, I just came across it and thought wow, that's hypocritical. I should add that to that thread about hypocrites...

MY WIFES MOTHER HAS PUT US ON THE PRAYER LIST FOR THE PAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE MOVED AWAY AND WE WORKED WEEKENDS AND DIDNT GO TO CHURCH ON A REGULAR BASIS, SO NOW WE ARE CONSIDER SINNERS AND WE ARE CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE WE DONT GO TO CURCH AND PUT THEM IN THE CHURCH DAYCARE EVERY SUNDAY.. BY THE WAY OUR KIDS ARE 1 AND JUST TURNED 3. i RALLY DONT THINK MISSING CHURCH HERE AND THERE WILL GIVE US A ONE WAY TICKET TO HELL.. i HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DEDICATED SUNDAY CHURCH GOERS THAT RIGHT WHEN THEY LEAVE CHURCH THEY GO TO CRACKERBARREL AND TREAT THE WAIT STAFF LIKE THEY ARE TRASH, THEN MESS THE TABLES UP TO HIGH HEAVEN, THEN AFTER TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE AND THERE DOGS, THESE CHURCH DO GOODERS HEAD RIGHT TO THE CASINO. I GUESS THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY TO WASH AWAY THERE SINS AND START OVER AGAIN. Dont get me wrong here is some really good church goers out there in the world that dont judge everyone, some church goers though think god has sent them out after church service to judge people

You don't have to yell.

Jesseda, my prayer for you is to get your Caps Lock button fixed. :D

Jesseda, no caps lock.

sorry for the cap locks, now i am even getting the fake prayers to fix my cap lock button.

MY WIFES MOTHER HAS PUT US ON THE PRAYER LIST FOR THE PAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE MOVED AWAY AND WE WORKED WEEKENDS AND DIDNT GO TO CHURCH ON A REGULAR BASIS, SO NOW WE ARE CONSIDER SINNERS AND WE ARE CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE WE DONT GO TO CURCH AND PUT THEM IN THE CHURCH DAYCARE EVERY SUNDAY.. BY THE WAY OUR KIDS ARE 1 AND JUST TURNED 3. i RALLY DONT THINK MISSING CHURCH HERE AND THERE WILL GIVE US A ONE WAY TICKET TO HELL.. i HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DEDICATED SUNDAY CHURCH GOERS THAT RIGHT WHEN THEY LEAVE CHURCH THEY GO TO CRACKERBARREL AND TREAT THE WAIT STAFF LIKE THEY ARE TRASH, THEN MESS THE TABLES UP TO HIGH HEAVEN, THEN AFTER TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE AND THERE DOGS, THESE CHURCH DO GOODERS HEAD RIGHT TO THE CASINO. I GUESS THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY TO WASH AWAY THERE SINS AND START OVER AGAIN. Dont get me wrong here is some really good church goers out there in the world that dont judge everyone, some church goers though think god has sent them out after church service to judge people
All your points are valid. Maybe you should consider praying for your mother-in-law so she can understand that we are ALL sinners saved by God's grace, not our actions.

All your points are valid. Maybe you should consider praying for your mother-in-law so she can understand that we are ALL sinners saved by God's grace, not our actions.

I'm not sure everyone would agree with you that we're ALL sinners saved by God's grace.

I'm not sure everyone would agree with you that we're ALL sinners saved by God's grace.


I don't think everyone is saved by God's grace.

What is the definition of saved?

Sin, Get Saved, Ask for Forgiveness, Sin, Get Saved, Ask for Forgiveness and do it all over again the next day?

I don't get that.

If they were truly saved, why would they sin, ask for forgiveness and then just go out and do the same thing over and over? ie Sin, Hypocrisy, Lies etc?

I have some of the most amazing Christian friends that epitomize the idea of love, compassion and true Christianity and know of a few people who are wonderful, beautiful Christians...... but on the other hand, I've known some Christians that spew more lies, hatred and evil than all the Athiests I know put together.

At least the Athiests I know personally aren't sneaky hypocrites. But, I'm sure everyone has it in them regardless of religious beliefs.

To simplify, I think we should just try to be good people and treat each other well.

Sin, Get Saved, Ask for Forgiveness, Sin, Get Saved, Ask for Forgiveness and do it all over again the next day? .

Karried, that's not the way Christianity works. You only get saved once. You still sin and you ask forgiveness. But, once you're a child of God, you're always one, just as once you're the son of your earthly father, you're always are. You sin and do bad things, and your earthly dad gets mad at you, and you have to ask forgiveness. But, you will still be your dad's son.

I have some of the most amazing Christian friends that epitomize the idea of love, compassion and true Christianity and know of a few people who are wonderful, beautiful Christians...... but on the other hand, I've known some Christians that spew more lies, hatred and evil than all the Athiests I know put together.

At least the Athiests I know personally aren't sneaky hypocrites. But, I'm sure everyone has it in them regardless of religious beliefs.

To simplify, I think we should just try to be good people and treat each other well.


Christians are like anyone else. There are really good ones, and there are bad ones.

Would you like to share a story about those Christians that you've met that spew lies, hatred and evil? That's what this thread is all about.

Would you like to share a story about those Christians that you've met that spew lies, hatred and evil?

It's the same old story, act all saintly, sin like the devil, treat people like crap, ask forgiveness, then do it all over again... like a broken record.

As much as I might like to share details, I won't. Because that would make me just as bad .. and I try not to be like that. It's not how I want to live my life.