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kukblue1 01-03-2025, 03:18 PM Not even sure where to put this but last couple Thunder games there as been a hot dog vendor outside. Last night after the game there were two of them on the corner of the Nw entrance. Are these approved by the city? Do they need a permit? Are they any good? Anyone know the cost?
Ginkasa 01-03-2025, 03:23 PM all i know is they smelled incredible
dankrutka 01-04-2025, 07:40 AM It’s the same types of hot dogs they were selling outside Intuit Dome when I went to a game in LA recently. They were pretty good then!
Richard at Remax 01-04-2025, 09:36 AM $10/dog
kukblue1 01-04-2025, 10:06 AM $10/dog
Say what? I guess I'll pass. I wish the hot dog place by the Devon Tower was open past 5:00 I would be going there for every game
PhiAlpha 01-04-2025, 12:13 PM all i know is they smelled incredible
I second this. I may grab one if they’re out there on tomorrow.
I’m in favor of more street trucks and vendors being outside after games. Wouldn’t mind a snack option for the walk home lol.
PhiAlpha 01-04-2025, 12:14 PM $10/dog
Cheapest food on that square block all night LOL.
dankrutka 01-04-2025, 12:44 PM From my experience in LA, there were several of the exact same hot dog stands serving bacon-wrapped hot dogs and they each had different prices. You might try to haggle.
aDark 01-06-2025, 10:18 AM Cheapest food on that square block all night LOL.
For real. $10 a dog isn't insane when you're serving a bunch of pedestrians walking into a Thunder game in 20 degree temps, no less.
If you're not comfortable buying a $10 dog on the way into the arena you're not going to like the $16 burger inside the arena, either.
Urbanized 01-06-2025, 10:32 AM I walked past the referenced vendor on the corner after the Knicks game. The thing I can promise you, after many ears of working around this type of thing, is that that the vendor isn’t permitted. Among other things the setup itself doesn’t comply with multiple health department requirements. It was basically an open grill sitting on a TV tray.
That said, I still might’ve bought one if I hadn’t been in a hurry. They looked/smelled delicious, despite the third world setup. The best tamales I’ve ever eaten were sold out of a five gallon bucket fetched from the trunk of a seventies model Cadillac. Sometimes you have to have a sense of adventure or you’ll miss out on some of life’s best experiences.
sooner333 01-06-2025, 11:46 AM Say what? I guess I'll pass. I wish the hot dog place by the Devon Tower was open past 5:00 I would be going there for every game
What/where is the hot dog place by the Devon Tower?
kukblue1 01-06-2025, 12:21 PM What/where is the hot dog place by the Devon Tower?
Coney Island on West Main St a block west of Devon tower.
kukblue1 01-06-2025, 12:23 PM I walked past the referenced vendor on the corner after the Knicks game. The thing I can promise you, after many ears of working around this type of thing, is that that the vendor isn’t permitted. Among other things the setup itself doesn’t comply with multiple health department requirements. It was basically an open grill sitting on a TV tray.
That said, I still might’ve bought one if I hadn’t been in a hurry. They looked/smelled delicious, despite the third world setup. The best tamales I’ve ever eaten were sold out of a five gallon bucket fetched from the trunk of a seventies model Cadillac. Sometimes you have to have a sense of adventure or you’ll miss out on some of life’s best experiences.
Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?
PhiAlpha 01-06-2025, 03:45 PM Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?
Why are you trying to get them shut down? I think having food options after games is great
Timshel 01-06-2025, 04:34 PM It has smelled incredible. Going to have to grab something sometime soon.
After the Knicks game we were joking that we're actually/finally now a "Big League City" with the presence of quality street meat options in busy areas.
kukblue1 01-06-2025, 06:33 PM Why are you trying to get them shut down? I think having food options after games is great
I'm not trying to get anyone shut down. I don't care what they do but I would think the health department would have something to say about it. Most cities you need a permit of some kind. If someone got sick from eating one of those hotdogs can they sue the city?
kukblue1 01-06-2025, 06:38 PM Here is what I found: Yes, you need a permit to sell hot dogs in Oklahoma City, including:
Temporary food service license: Event organizers need to contact the Oklahoma City-County Health Department at least 10 business days before the event. The fee is $50 for the first day and $25 for each additional day.
Mobile food facility permit: This permit ensures that the space where you plan to prepare and serve food meets local food safety and worker safety standards.
Food business license: Licensing requirements vary by type of food business. For example, a full-service mobile food service establishment costs $150 per vehicle, while a pushcart vending license costs $60 per pushcart.
Seller's permit: All businesses that sell tangible goods subject to sales tax need a seller's permit.
Mobile retail license: This license costs $425 for the first year and $335 for renewal each year.
Peddler license: This license is required for anyone who travels from place to place selling food or beverages.
Outdoor seller's license: You can apply for this license through the City of OKC.
You can also sell homemade food in Oklahoma without a license if it's shelf-stable. However, if the food is time- or temperature-controlled, you must pass a food safety training course approved by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry
So it looks like all you need to do is take a food safety course?
Dob Hooligan 01-06-2025, 06:49 PM Here is what I found: Yes, you need a permit to sell hot dogs in Oklahoma City, including:
Temporary food service license: Event organizers need to contact the Oklahoma City-County Health Department at least 10 business days before the event. The fee is $50 for the first day and $25 for each additional day.
Mobile food facility permit: This permit ensures that the space where you plan to prepare and serve food meets local food safety and worker safety standards.
Food business license: Licensing requirements vary by type of food business. For example, a full-service mobile food service establishment costs $150 per vehicle, while a pushcart vending license costs $60 per pushcart.
Seller's permit: All businesses that sell tangible goods subject to sales tax need a seller's permit.
Mobile retail license: This license costs $425 for the first year and $335 for renewal each year.
Peddler license: This license is required for anyone who travels from place to place selling food or beverages.
Outdoor seller's license: You can apply for this license through the City of OKC.
You can also sell homemade food in Oklahoma without a license if it's shelf-stable. However, if the food is time- or temperature-controlled, you must pass a food safety training course approved by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry
So it looks like all you need to do is take a food safety course?
Looks to me like it is minimum $535 to start. No idea what the cost is for the Mobile Food Facility Permit; Sellers Permit; Peddler License; and Outdoor Seller's License are. But, they are not included in my calculation of the $535, and I can't imagine they are zero cost.
Jersey Boss 01-06-2025, 06:57 PM Yeah I'm wondering if the City knows or has any rules in place to shut them down. Are they out there any other time of day or just before and after Thunder games?
Instead of hot dog vendors go after unpaved illegal parking lots.
Dob Hooligan 01-06-2025, 06:58 PM I am also guessing the Thunder (or the Paycom Arena management company) has "curb to curb commercial enterprise control" of all areas that are considered part of Paycom Arena property. So, they would have the ability to charge rent to each cart and limit their access to the area.
Dob Hooligan 01-06-2025, 07:10 PM Instead of hot dog vendors go after unpaved illegal parking lots.
If that is a concern for you, then you should investigate and report as @kukblue1 has on the concern they have.
Urbanized 01-06-2025, 09:19 PM It’s not just the food handler and other permitting that’s required. There are also requirements relative to the food and the mechanism itself; a vendor must have an (inspected) offsite commissary/prep kitchen and the cart itself is supposed to have a hand wash/water, plus other requirements. That’s why in my previous post I mentioned that it was basically a flat-topped grill on a tv tray. It’s not compliant, and yes, it can 100% be shut down and likely will be.
But…as I also mentioned and someone else mentioned above, it looked/smelled fantastic and I personally totally would have taken a chance on it. Would advise anyone else who wants to try it to not waste an opportunity because I’d expect it will be shut down eventually.
kukblue1 01-06-2025, 10:49 PM If that is a concern for you, then you should investigate and report as @kukblue1 has on the concern they have.
Chill. All my post was trying to find out is if they needed a permit. I don't want to close them down I don't care if they're there I was just wondering how it operated. CHILL. I don't know how my original post went from do they need a permit to me wanting to close down these people and have this huge concern that they're there on the sidewalk. You all read too much into things and yes I'm going to clap back because all I'm trying to figure out is how were they operating
You know probably who is concerned about it The people that actually have the proper permits and the food trucks that have spent money to invest in their business. JS
Dob Hooligan 01-07-2025, 06:43 AM Chill. All my post was trying to find out is if they needed a permit. I don't want to close them down I don't care if they're there I was just wondering how it operated. CHILL. I don't know how my original post went from do they need a permit to me wanting to close down these people and have this huge concern that they're there on the sidewalk. You all read too much into things and yes I'm going to clap back because all I'm trying to figure out is how were they operating
You know probably who is concerned about it The people that actually have the proper permits and the food trucks that have spent money to invest in their business. JS
Why are you dogging me? I was standing up for you. You asked a question, you got input, you did more research and posted results. Can’t ask for more. @Jersey Boss wanted to change the subject to parking.
I still think some entity has control of number and location of outside vendors. Otherwise there could be 10 carts on one corner having fistfights over “turf”.
PhiAlpha 01-07-2025, 08:14 AM It has smelled incredible. Going to have to grab something sometime soon.
After the Knicks game we were joking that we're actually/finally now a "Big League City" with the presence of quality street meat options in busy areas.
LOL! I thought the same thing! Reminded me of NYC.
barrettd 01-07-2025, 08:30 AM I walked past the referenced vendor on the corner after the Knicks game. The thing I can promise you, after many ears of working around this type of thing, is that that the vendor isn’t permitted. Among other things the setup itself doesn’t comply with multiple health department requirements. It was basically an open grill sitting on a TV tray.
That said, I still might’ve bought one if I hadn’t been in a hurry. They looked/smelled delicious, despite the third world setup. The best tamales I’ve ever eaten were sold out of a five gallon bucket fetched from the trunk of a seventies model Cadillac. Sometimes you have to have a sense of adventure or you’ll miss out on some of life’s best experiences.
OK this gave me a laugh this morning! Talking about all the issues with it, but you still would have absolutely grabbed one. Reminds me of going to a bar that wasn't in my usual neighborhood to see a friend play piano with a band. Out back they had a barrel grill and were cooking chicken legs. Serving right off the grill, I don't even remember paying for them. Best grilled chicken I've had, to this day.
I'm with you on taking a chance. I feel like I take a chance every time I eat a hot dog anyway.
jedicurt 01-07-2025, 09:00 AM OK this gave me a laugh this morning! Talking about all the issues with it, but you still would have absolutely grabbed one. Reminds me of going to a bar that wasn't in my usual neighborhood to see a friend play piano with a band. Out back they had a barrel grill and were cooking chicken legs. Serving right off the grill, I don't even remember paying for them. Best grilled chicken I've had, to this day.
I'm with you on taking a chance. I feel like I take a chance every time I eat a hot dog anyway.
there was a motorcycle repair shop in St. Louis that used to sell smoked ribs out the back door. it was kind of a hush hush sort of thing. no drinks, no sides, just beef ribs. total illegal, but man if i didn't get some every time i was in town for work. sadly, the bike shop closed during covid, so no more back alley ribs
barrettd 01-08-2025, 08:24 AM there was a motorcycle repair shop in St. Louis that used to sell smoked ribs out the back door. it was kind of a hush hush sort of thing. no drinks, no sides, just beef ribs. total illegal, but man if i didn't get some every time i was in town for work. sadly, the bike shop closed during covid, so no more back alley ribs
"back alley ribs" :D
soonerguru 01-09-2025, 01:00 AM Why are you trying to get them shut down? I think having food options after games is great
Right!
Please let us enjoy something without a permit.
For the love of all that is holy, please purchase an unlicensed hot dog or not and go on about your day.
rayvaflav 01-11-2025, 12:14 PM Tell me more about these hot dogs.
dankrutka 01-11-2025, 12:15 PM Tell me more about these hot dogs.
Bacon-wrapped and delicious.
rayvaflav 01-11-2025, 02:39 PM Bacon-wrapped and delicious.
I'm always on the hunt for a NYC-style pushcart dirty water hot dog. I'll check into this one at the next home game this upcoming Thursday, January 16th.
kukblue1 01-11-2025, 08:33 PM Are they really $10. I'll have to take cash with me next time I go. Is it better to get one right off the grill or already wrapped up for a softer bun?
Rover 01-13-2025, 09:00 AM I'm always on the hunt for a NYC-style pushcart dirty water hot dog. I'll check into this one at the next home game this upcoming Thursday, January 16th.
You are aware that all street vendors in NYC are regulated and must be licensed, right? They don’t just let anyone who wants to sell out of a bucket to do so.
I am curious if people will be upset at the “government” if people get sick from eating uninspected/unlicensed street food.
BoulderSooner 01-13-2025, 09:42 AM You are aware that all street vendors in NYC are regulated and must be licensed, right? They don’t just let anyone who wants to sell out of a bucket to do so.
I am curious if people will be upset at the “government” if people get sick from eating uninspected/unlicensed street food.
and tons of the street vendors in NYC are unlicensed and get tickets ... thousands of them a year
https://columbianewsservice.com/2024/11/15/as-police-crackdown-on-unlicensed-street-vendors-queens-sellers-try-to-safeguard-their-livelihoods/
Rover 01-13-2025, 11:11 AM and tons of the street vendors in NYC are unlicensed and get tickets ... thousands of them a year
https://columbianewsservice.com/2024/11/15/as-police-crackdown-on-unlicensed-street-vendors-queens-sellers-try-to-safeguard-their-livelihoods/
There are always rogues and people working the system.
Here is what I found: Yes, you need a permit to sell hot dogs in Oklahoma City, including:
Temporary food service license: Event organizers need to contact the Oklahoma City-County Health Department at least 10 business days before the event. The fee is $50 for the first day and $25 for each additional day.
Mobile food facility permit: This permit ensures that the space where you plan to prepare and serve food meets local food safety and worker safety standards.
Food business license: Licensing requirements vary by type of food business. For example, a full-service mobile food service establishment costs $150 per vehicle, while a pushcart vending license costs $60 per pushcart.
Seller's permit: All businesses that sell tangible goods subject to sales tax need a seller's permit.
Mobile retail license: This license costs $425 for the first year and $335 for renewal each year.
Peddler license: This license is required for anyone who travels from place to place selling food or beverages.
Outdoor seller's license: You can apply for this license through the City of OKC.
You can also sell homemade food in Oklahoma without a license if it's shelf-stable. However, if the food is time- or temperature-controlled, you must pass a food safety training course approved by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry
So it looks like all you need to do is take a food safety course?
Which ones of paying all these fees are guaranteeing you are buying a safe product to eat?
ManAboutTown 01-13-2025, 11:46 AM Which ones of paying all these fees are guaranteeing you are buying a safe product to eat?NONE, because life doesn't come with guarantees.
But, American society is premised on safety and security and having a government that works to ensure those things to its citizens. Just as we need building inspectors, fire inspectors, health inspectors, etc., we need food safety inspectors. Those services come at a cost and that cost is passed on to the vendor. Pretty simple.
CaptDave 01-13-2025, 11:53 AM NONE, because life doesn't come with guarantees.
But, American society is premised on safety and security and having a government that works to ensure those things to its citizens. Just as we need building inspectors, fire inspectors, health inspectors, etc., we need food safety inspectors. Those services come at a cost and that cost is passed on to the vendor. Pretty simple.
True, but there's always the people that whine about "gubmint overreach" because 'Murica and #freedom. You know, the usual performative nonsense that is far too common now.
ManAboutTown 01-13-2025, 12:09 PM :yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
The point is you can have food safety without excessive licensing and fees.
Rover 01-13-2025, 12:54 PM The point is you can have food safety without excessive licensing and fees.
What fees are excessive? And how do you propose to pay for people hired to do inspections, etc., to make sure what you are getting is safe to eat and not going to give your kid food poisoning? T
Rover 01-13-2025, 01:00 PM Which ones of paying all these fees are guaranteeing you are buying a safe product to eat?
I expect all those that require you food safety training and inspections to make sure you are doing the right things? And, nothing GUARANTEES someone will go off the range, but reduces risk very measurably. Life isn't absolutes, but about reducing risk to a tolerable level. Everyone seems to just think people will do the right things, but history doesn't teach us that. Training, regulations, inspections are all part of why life in the US is at a very high standard compared to almost all the rest of the world.
We have a bunch of people in the US who have no clue what life would actually be like without societal protections. They need to travel to places where there aren't the same and see what happens.
Why should i say which ones i think are excessive just to hear you say you dont agree? You obviously think everyone of those are necessary tosell a hot dog off a cart
BoulderSooner 01-13-2025, 01:13 PM I expect all those that require you food safety training and inspections to make sure you are doing the right things? And, nothing GUARANTEES someone will go off the range, but reduces risk very measurably. Life isn't absolutes, but about reducing risk to a tolerable level. Everyone seems to just think people will do the right things, but history doesn't teach us that. Training, regulations, inspections are all part of why life in the US is at a very high standard compared to almost all the rest of the world.
We have a bunch of people in the US who have no clue what life would actually be like without societal protections. They need to travel to places where there aren't the same and see what happens.
as someone that has eaten from food stalls / carts on 5 continents .. in a variety of 1st 2nd and 3rd world countries .. I think I have a pretty good handle what "people do"
they want to make money they want return customers .. making people sick does not accomplish either of these things
ManAboutTown 01-13-2025, 01:26 PM as someone that has eaten from food stalls / carts on 5 continents .. in a variety of 1st 2nd and 3rd world countries .. I think I have a pretty good handle what "people do"
they want to make money they want return customers .. making people sick does not accomplish either of these thingsOf course it doesn't, but where is the accountability if it DOES happen? Without licensing and inspections, I could literally spread E. coli to every customer I have and then <poof>, disappear from whence I came with no consequences.
And YES, I've lived outside of the country and have eaten from Third World food carts, but that's the chance that I took THERE, not here.
Rover 01-13-2025, 09:36 PM as someone that has eaten from food stalls / carts on 5 continents .. in a variety of 1st 2nd and 3rd world countries .. I think I have a pretty good handle what "people do"
they want to make money they want return customers .. making people sick does not accomplish either of these things
Me too. And most people on this board have no clue how nasty and dangerous many of those places are . Meat from markets where raw meat sits in 90 degree temps all day with flies and other bugs on top. Fish from water with raw sewage running into it. People need to quit the Rick Steves fantasy and be real. The false equivalency is silly.
baralheia 01-14-2025, 10:20 PM I expect all those that require you food safety training and inspections to make sure you are doing the right things? And, nothing GUARANTEES someone will go off the range, but reduces risk very measurably. Life isn't absolutes, but about reducing risk to a tolerable level. Everyone seems to just think people will do the right things, but history doesn't teach us that. Training, regulations, inspections are all part of why life in the US is at a very high standard compared to almost all the rest of the world.
We have a bunch of people in the US who have no clue what life would actually be like without societal protections. They need to travel to places where there aren't the same and see what happens.
100% this. I've previously worked in foodservice and was ServSafe certified too. If y'all want to buy ready-to-eat food from a vendor that can't ensure proper sanitation (both handwashing and hard surface sanitizing) then knock yourself out - just know you're absolutely playing chicken with foodbourne illness. For me personally, that's gonna be a hard pass - I'd rather patronize a vendor who actually plays by the rules because then I know that food is far less likely to make me sick.
Mballard85 01-15-2025, 08:14 AM Good lord this place sometimes. If you don't want to patronize said vendor, don't. If you do, do so knowing what you already know, you may get sick or may have a hell of a hot dog and enjoy ever second of it. The constant back and forth is pretty bad.
rayvaflav 01-15-2025, 08:36 AM You are aware that all street vendors in NYC are regulated and must be licensed, right? They don’t just let anyone who wants to sell out of a bucket to do so.
I am curious if people will be upset at the “government” if people get sick from eating uninspected/unlicensed street food.
There's the information that I didn't solicit.
as someone that has eaten from food stalls / carts on 5 continents .. in a variety of 1st 2nd and 3rd world countries .. I think I have a pretty good handle what "people do"
they want to make money they want return customers .. making people sick does not accomplish either of these things
But that results in most of those countries having 10-30 times the amount of cases of foodbourne illness than in the the US. Why would we choose to replicate that model?
Anyway, it'd be very simple to require the vendors display their licenses, if we don't already.Then at least everyone would know which have been inspected and passed. And if someone prefers third world oversight of what they consume, they can seek that out, too. Maybe even YouTube it, bruh!
Rover 01-15-2025, 02:11 PM Good lord this place sometimes. If you don't want to patronize said vendor, don't. If you do, do so knowing what you already know, you may get sick or may have a hell of a hot dog and enjoy ever second of it. The constant back and forth is pretty bad.
People promoting potential public health hazards should be countered. Maybe this back and forth keeps a kid healthy because their parent decided they didn't want the risk once they've been made aware.
Mballard85 01-15-2025, 02:15 PM People promoting potential public health hazards should be countered. Maybe this back and forth keeps a kid healthy because their parent decided they didn't want the risk once they've been made aware.
Sure.
Jersey Boss 01-15-2025, 02:33 PM ^ Word
Bits_Of_Real_Panther 01-16-2025, 05:18 PM Who has an update on this ?
Plutonic Panda 01-16-2025, 05:35 PM What is there to update about this? Is this really something that people in Oklahoma City don’t know much about? Yes these vendors operate illegally a lot and you’re taking a risk cause a lot of them will use leftover hotdogs from the day or two before I know this cause I used to work for some of them(and Mexican street corn) around Hollywood in the Sofi stadium area. I’m not trying to be rude, but this is just a pretty common thing and almost every single city I’ve ever been to. Is this something new to OKC?
rayvaflav 01-16-2025, 08:25 PM I went down there this evening looking to observe, dissect and possibly purchase this incredible hot dog with no luck. I walked around that area and found no outside vendors and from what I've read here, I shoulda' smellt it. Is it sold from a vendor pushcart, is it the trunk of a 1970's Oldsmobile Delta 88 or is it a Home Depot 5-gallon bucket?
kukblue1 01-16-2025, 09:55 PM I didn't seem the before or after the game. I was going to get one too but I must of gotten them shut down. Sorry.
Mballard85 01-17-2025, 07:31 AM Oh I'm sure there were a ton of complaints from this board, it's pretty clear there were certain folks wound up over it.
rayvaflav 01-17-2025, 09:46 AM I didn't seem the before or after the game. I was going to get one too but I must of gotten them shut down. Sorry.
Should this be added to the list of OKC Restaurant Closings thread ? :D
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