San Antonio Alamodome




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San Antonio MSA population (1990 - 1,324,749) (2023 est - 2,703,999)
Broke ground November 5, 1990 - Construction cost - US $186 million - ($448 million in 2024 dollars)
Opened May 15, 1993
Renovated 2008, 2009, 2017
Expanded 2006
Seating Capacity - A rectilinear 5-level stadium which can seat up to 73,000 spectators for a typical
football game.

Architect - HOK Sport

Alamodome Upgrades: Getting Ready for the 2025 NCAA Final Four: https://tx-cre.com/alamodome-upgrades-getting-ready-for-the-2025-ncaa-final-four/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J53ZKk9Cp_0

Nashville, Tennessee - MSA Population - 2,102,573
(Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN MSA)

New $2.1 Billion Tennessee Titans Stadium Plan Moves Forward After Passing $760 Million In Bonds: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timnewcomb/2023/04/27/new-21-billion-tennessee-titans-stadium-plan-moves-forward-after-passing-760-million-in-bonds-and-other-approvals/


https://titanswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2022/10/1360603251.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxbPABQWKgI

Chicago Bears proposed $5 billion stadium.

Chicago MSA population: 9,262,825 (Chicago–Naperville–Elgin, IL-IN MSA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynP8oE33nFI

Bears unveil $5 billion plan for lakefront stadium and seek public funding to make it happen: https://apnews.com/article/chicago-bears-lakefront-stadium-41e753652af49a9c1435811319f040f1

Capacity: 65,000

Jacksonville NFL Stadium $1.4 billion stadium renovation.

Jacksonville MSA population: 1,713,240


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBI0RItfDfA

Chicago's stadium costing $5 billion is INSANE!

Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers

meh. Is what it is. Glad were still a pro sports town. If it can happen to Oakland it can happen to anyone.

Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers
I don't like it either. But the alternative is having no pro sports. And probably much less college sports.
So for me "long live the billionaires".

Chicago's stadium costing $5 billion is INSANE!


Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers

Yes, you bet it's insane and depressing; therefore, if cities like Oklahoma City or a San Antonio (Non NFL cities) will have to invest in themselves if they want to be competitive and hope to attract an NCAA final four.

It will take an indoor 55,000 - 70,000 seat stadium with a translucent roof to compete for these mega events with potential of infusing $100 - $200 million in economic impact into our economy.

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city. We're on the verge of growing our hotel infrastructure with a 400 room Dream Hotel increasing luxury hotel capacity to 1,000 rooms.

Attract more events, make our city a safe haven to host events. We don't need to have an NFL franchise to do that--San Antonio is proof; they built the Alamodome in the 90s when they were a city of 1.3 million while supporting an NBA franchise.

Yes, you bet it's insane and depressing; therefore, if cities like Oklahoma City or a San Antonio (Non NFL cities) will have to invest in themselves if they want to be competitive and hope to attract an NCAA final four.

It will take an indoor 55,000 - 70,000 seat stadium with a translucent roof to compete for these mega events with potential of infusing $100 - $200 million in economic impact into our economy.

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city. We're on the verge of growing our hotel infrastructure with a 400 room Dream Hotel increasing luxury hotel capacity to 1,000 rooms.

Attract more events, make our city a safe haven to host events. We don't need to have an NFL franchise to do that--San Antonio is proof; they built the Alamodome in the 90s when they were a city of 1.3 million while supporting an NBA franchise.

I think you can give up the fantasy of a mega-stadium coming to OKC. Arena, sure. But there will never be a need for a stadium in OKC.

I think you can give up the fantasy of a mega-stadium coming to OKC. Arena, sure. But there will never be a need for a stadium in OKC.

It's not my fantasy; It's the reality bison34 of who's getting THE BIG DANCE and the BIG EVENTS. We have a solution to solve our NBA arena problem and keep the NBA in our city for a long time. Our new State Fair Coliseum will keep many of the horse shows here that give our city an economic boost.

We'll be able to bid on some NCAA regionals.

How far does our city want to go to be more than a bridesmaid. I was encouraged to prepare and dress for the next level if you wanted to achieve success.

You want to compete with the larger cities on the next level with 2 million or more in their MSA, then OKC will have to invest in a large stadium with a roof sometime within the next decade.

The inferior NBA arena (Paycom Center) has shown OKC one thing, if you're going to be a major league
city, you'll need to invest in a facility that serves a multipurpose. We've not a San Francisco or Inglewood
where you build a smaller more elite arena and price the middle class and below out of the market--we've not that well populated and attractive to lure the high paying jobs to our city that an Austin or a city like Raleigh enjoys.

It's not my fantasy; It's the reality bison of who's getting THE BIG DANCE and the BIG EVENTS. We have a solution to solve our NBA arena problem and keep the NBA in our city for a long time. Our new State Fair Coliseum will keep many of the horse shows here that give our city an economic boost.

We'll be able to bid on some NCAA regionals.

How far does our city want to go be more than a bridesmaid. You want to compete with the larger
cities on the next level with 2 million or more in their MSA, then OKC will have to invest in a large
stadium with a roof.

The inferior NBA arena (Paycom Center) has shown OKC one thing, if you're going to be a major league
city, you'll need to invest in a facility that serves a multipurpose. We've not a San Francisco or Inglewood
were you build a smaller more elite arena and price the middle class and below out of the market--we've not that well populated and attractive to lure the high paying jobs to our city that an Austin, TX, or a city like Raleigh enjoys.

OKC will not be getting those events. Just a fact of life. Not a bad thing. There are cities and metros bigger than us who are not going to get those, either.

If OKC is having to resort to building a massive stadium to attract people or jobs, then we are in trouble. We do not need a stadium like that. The Alamodome was built for the Spurs in 1993, 31 years ago. That stadium would cost closer to $1 billion now. Not economically feasible without an anchor tenant, in today's day and age. Name another city with a domed stadium with no tenant? You will think STL will count, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. It was built for an NFL team, and had one for 2 decades. OKC will never build a stadium like that. It would be a waste of money, IMO.

We have enough trouble building large-scale hotels as it is. We would have to build 15 in half the timeframe we have built like, 2. It is folly to think like this. Kansas City doesn't have one. Portland doesn't, Sacramento doesn't, Raleigh, Charlotte, Denver, Salt Lake City, etc, do not have a domed stadium. OKC has far more pressing needs than to build a second $1 billion sports facility, much less one that may be used 10-15 times a year.

Philadelphia Mayor unveils details of new Sixers' Center City arena agreement: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/mayor-cherelle-parker-philadelphia-76ers-center-city-market-east/3979938/?os=vbkn42tqho5H1RAdvp&ref=app



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stic3ByeqPQ

OKC will not be getting those events. Just a fact of life. Not a bad thing. There are cities and metros bigger than us who are not going to get those, either.

If OKC is having to resort to building a massive stadium to attract people or jobs, then we are in trouble. We do not need a stadium like that. The Alamodome was built for the Spurs in 1993, 31 years ago. That stadium would cost closer to $1 billion now. Not economically feasible without an anchor tenant, in today's day and age. Name another city with a domed stadium with no tenant? You will think STL will count, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. It was built for an NFL team, and had one for 2 decades. OKC will never build a stadium like that. It would be a waste of money, IMO.

We have enough trouble building large-scale hotels as it is. We would have to build 15 in half the timeframe we have built like, 2. It is folly to think like this. Kansas City doesn't have one. Portland doesn't, Sacramento doesn't, Raleigh, Charlotte, Denver, Salt Lake City, etc, do not have a domed stadium. OKC has far more pressing needs than to build a second $1 billion sports facility, much less one that may be used 10-15 times a year.

You're right, some people think we're not ready for the next stadium level. This is for cities like San Antonio who in 1990 when they had 1.3 million people aspire to be in a position to move to the next level. The Alamodome was never intended to be a long-term solution for the Spurs. They are brainstorming a fast track to replace their NBA arena much like OKC.

We don't have the corporate support for NFL, it would never make it here. The Alamo City built their indoor stadium in hopes to attract NFL or MLB while also temporarily accommodating the Spurs. If the Alamodome was built for the Spurs; then their renovation should keep the Spurs in tack.

They did a paradigm shift with the Alamodome and started bidding on events they have the facility to handle like the NCAA Final Four.

NFL Dallas and Houston want Texas all to themselves.

It's sad to think of a city the size of OKC (Top 20) without a large city stadium that approaches 20,000 seating capacity. I don't know of a top 50 U. S. central city without a stadium.

Tulsa has TU's 30k Chapman Stadium and the 17,839 BOK Center that was built to meet Tulsa needs and bring them to the next level like the NHL if the opportunity arises.

Taft Stadium (High School) and the Bricktown Ballpark (AAA baseball) serve our current needs.

Philadelphia Mayor unveils details of new Sixers' Center City arena agreement: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/mayor-cherelle-parker-philadelphia-76ers-center-city-market-east/3979938/?os=vbkn42tqho5H1RAdvp&ref=app



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stic3ByeqPQ



If we got a $1 billion private arena or stadium, sure. But we know how billion dollar private developments go in OKC.

You're right, some people think we're not ready for the next stadium level. This is for cities like San Antonio who in 1990 when the had 1.3 million people aspire to be in a position to move to the next level. The Alamodome was never intended to be a long-term solution for the Spurs. They are brainstorming a fast track to replace their NBA arena much like OKC.

We don't have the corporate support for NFL, it would never make it here. The Alamo City built their indoor stadium in hopes to attract NFL or MLB while also temporarily accommodating the Spurs. If the Alamodome was built for the Spurs; then their renovation should keep the Spurs in tack.

They did a paradigm shift with the Alamodome and started bidding on events they have the facility to handle like the NCAA Final Four.

It's sad to think of a city the size of OKC (Top 20) without a large city stadium that approaches 20,000 seating capacity. I don't know of a top 50 U. S. central city without a stadium.

Taft Stadium (High School) and the Bricktown Ballpark (AAA baseball) serve our current needs.

20,000 is one thing. You were saying a massive stadium like the Alamodome.

A 20k seat stadium, sure. But not a 70k seat stadium.

If we got a $1 billion private arena or stadium, sure. But we know how billion dollar private developments go in OKC.

Well, we passed a 'billion dollar' arena here overwhelmingly. The NBA Thunder are great for our city with the exposure of being one of 30 elite NBA markets; we're the 42nd largest MSA market yet we have one of 30 NBA franchises. Many markets envy our position. Have OKC overachieved . . .

Well, we passed a 'billion dollar' arena here overwhelmingly. The NBA Thunder are great for our city with the exposure of being one of 30 elite NBA markets; we're the 42nd largest MSA market yet we have one of 30 NBA franchises. Many markets envy our position. Have OKC overachieved . . .

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

There was hope of OKC being able to host an NBA All Star Event Weekend once our new arena opens. The NBA moved the goal posts--you need a minimum of 5,500 luxury hotel rooms to host this event. We have 605 luxury hotel rooms.

Only one city (Salt Lake City) meets the specs for an NBA All Star host.

Portland has 2.5 million in their MSA (slightly lower than OKC and Tulsa's combined MSA's). True, they don't have NFL or MLB. They have the population to support either one. They renovated their city-county stadium to meet MLS specs.

Their arch rival model city is Seattle--OKC looks at Dallas like a mentor.

We've going to have one-hell-of a rivalry with Seattle once they reclaim the Supersonics.

Many cities envy OKC's MAPS penny sales tax funding that gives voters a say in Capital improvement projects. Kudos for OKC.

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

Spot on Bison34 about education and luring Fortune 500 companies. We have one major university within a 50 mile radius of OKC. I envy Raleigh, NC they have Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina all within a 50 mile radius of Raleigh.

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

except we couldn't it is a specific vote for a specific purpose ..

except we couldn't it is a specific vote for a specific purpose ..

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

We've passed an extension vote before, where one project needed more funding to clear that hurdle.

You're correct, any future MAPS or Bond votes will include a smorgasbord of projects.

We also have a bond vote coming up in 2025 (Estimated $1 billion) which are the primary funding source for streets & bridges' infrastructure; our city did use the 2017 G.O. bonds for expansion and improvements to Devon Park.

Devon Park and Riversport Rapids will both be on the next 2025 Bond vote once their needs for the Olympics are identified and LA approves.

As I mentioned before, sometime within a decade (paying off new arena); our city if it wants to compete on the next level for NCAA basketball 'Final Four' will need to do a feasibility study on a large indoor stadium.

Once something identified--how do we fund it. If something comparable to the Alamodome were built in OKC today it would cost $400 million. Meanwhile, once a development like this is approved, it attracts attention from the hotel industry.

San Antonio is proof that do don't have to have an NFL or MLB anchor tenant to support an indoor stadium. OKC's central location is a plus (IMO) for attracting events. Now we will still be competing with Dallas in our region for events--currently, Dallas' AT&T stadium and Globe Life Field are the only indoor stadiums in our proximity.

Kansas City (KS or MO) are planning the Chiefs and Royals possibly new indoor stadiums.

An indoor stadium could cost anywhere from $400 - $500 million depending on the specs. We're not in the market for NFL or MLB, so a $500 million range would be more practical with a targeted capacity of 65,000-75,000.

Our city has a good bond rating; there are projects like housing that will also need to be addressed.

Combined Statistical Areas without a domed stadium (baseball or football)

1) New York City - 21.9 million people
2) Los Angeles - 18.3 million (SoFi does have a roof, but is open air and has no climate control)
3) Washington DC/Baltimore - 10.1 million
4) Chicago - 9.8 million (The Bears are proposing to build a dome)
5) San Francisco Bay Area - 9.0 million
7) Boston - 8.3 million
9) Philadelphia - 7.4 million

Of the ten largest Combined Metros in the US, only Dallas, Houston and Atlanta have true climate controlled domed stadiums.

A domed stadium is not a requirement for major cities.

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Tampa Bay Rays $1.3B stadium plan expected to boost area business



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFmrKz4L1_I

Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL MSA population 3,342,963

Denver's going to be building a new dome for the Broncos but it's still a few years out..

Denver's going to be building a new dome for the Broncos but it's still a few years out..

Thanks Bro,


Are the Broncos on the way to getting a new stadium?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxKPo_wqys

Denver–Aurora–Centennial, CO MSA 3,005,131

No reasonable person would vote to finance a new Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. They have low attendance, they play a lot of games overseas, and they've been bad pretty much their entire existence.

No reasonable person would vote to finance a new Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. They have low attendance, they play a lot of games overseas, and they've been bad pretty much their entire existence.

the 14 people that matter already did

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40432558/jacksonville-city-council-approves-renovation-jaguars-everbank-stadium

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city.

There's no way the powers that be in Stillwater or Norman would agree with this. The cities need the revenue that visitors bring in during a home game. Why on earth would they give that up for anything in OKC?

the 14 people that matter already did

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40432558/jacksonville-city-council-approves-renovation-jaguars-everbank-stadium

Ridiculous.

Spot on Bison34 about education and luring Fortune 500 companies. We have one major university within a 50 mile radius of OKC. I envy Raleigh, NC they have Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina all within a 50 mile radius of Raleigh.

Actually 2. OSU is 45 miles away.

Anyway, I personaly think OKC's focus should continue to be on the NBA, being the shining beacon for the small markets. Once the arena and stadium is built and OKC hosts the Olympics is complete, I think the city (in 2028ish) could expand its pro sports focus to the MLS. By then OKC should have metro area pop above 1.7 million - perfect for two sports esp considering MLS is sort of the lesser when considering the Big 4 major leagues. With the stadium and great ownership, we should be more than able to support MLS with no impact to the NBA in about 3 years.

After that - we should go after the NFL but that will take a new stadium as mentioned. Honestly, OKC should plan NOW on making the MAPS Stadium where it could be expanded significantly into an NFL stadium in the future. Once OKC passes 2 million metro - we should be able to support NBA, NFL, and MLS. To me that's the sweet spot and I think we can start to make that a reality in 2035 once the NBA Arena collection has passed, the city could do a Stadium MAPS to expand the MAPS Soccer stadium into an NFL/MLS dome hopefully less expensive by capitalizing on the current effort.

I don't forsee the other leagues unless the OKC Thunder ownership develop an interest/deal with MLB and/or perhaps the WNBA. ... NHL to me is a no-go in OKC due to timing with the NBA, leave that for potential major league team for Tulsa once they reach above 1.2 million.

There's no way the powers that be in Stillwater or Norman would agree with this. The cities need the revenue that visitors bring in during a home game. Why on earth would they give that up for anything in OKC?

True about OSU because they aren't able to cultivate the kindness of Boone Pickens' generosity as a fall back; also OU is tightening their belt as well.

I'm not sure what support the UTSA contributes to the Alamodome; they occupied the dome in 2011 to present some 18 years after it opened in 1993. The more events you can secure equates to more Hotel-Motel occupancy use in our city. Our city will need more hotels once you build an indoor stadium.

Like I mentioned, San Antonio opened their dome in 1993 when they had 1.3 million in their MSA. Our city has close to1.5 million now --projected to have close to 1.7 million in 2030 cited by HotRod.

OKC's location (I-35/I-40 crossroads) is ideal for a stadium.

Although I don't have any figures to support a 'basic bare bones minimum' indoor stadium similar to the Alamo City or the Dome of America in St. Louis, you can anticipate $600 million--that's probably what we should be looking at (SA and/or STL) as soon as the debt on the new arena is close to pay off. MAPS 4 expires in 2028 the new DT arena will require a 72 month loan (6 years) to pay off around 2034.

How would OKC pay for a $600 million indoor stadium:

Phase 1: 2025 bonds (open air outdoor stadium 40,000 seat stadium $300 million), some hotel-motel tax revenue earmarked for expansion, Naming-rights revenue money directed for stadium only and

Phase II: 2034 MAPS 4 extension ($300 million) to complete the stadium eventually seating 75,000 with a roof.

We’re done paying for new stadiums and/or arenas since the RTA is taking the place of MAPS. Politically, it won’t be possible to do RTA and MAPS. Sales tax is already very high as it is.

We’re done paying for new stadiums and/or arenas since the RTA is taking the place of MAPS. Politically, it won’t be possible to do RTA and MAPS. Sales tax is already very high as it is.

lol that is what transit folks want it does not have city wide backing ... .. MAPS is not going anywhere ..

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

LOL. So many people felt strong armed into voting yes that it easily passed at over 70% and much of that 70% were excited to vote for it. If anything, that vote showed how small JoBeth Hamas’s vocal minority is. We’ve been passing MAPS votes for 31 years now…if the projects make sense, the proposals will pass but regardless we just passed a MAPS vote a little over 4 years ago and just passed a billion dollar arena proposal…let’s chill on freaking out about another one not passing until at least a few of the project we voted for are completed.

Just as a note, from what I read the new Las Vegas NBA arena and resort has kind of fell through. Well, not exactly, but they’re looking for a new site now.

If anyone has the disposable income and wants to see an implosion, which probably won’t happen for sometime again in Vegas, the Tropicana is coming down within the next couple weeks. That is where the Oakland a stadium will be built.

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

Just so you know, there was MAPS for KIDS that passed in 2001, which was a $700 million package for educational facilities. That's $1.2 billion today adjusted for inflation. That was after passing the first MAPS initiative which spent $245 Million (adjusted) on an arena with no major tenant or even prospective one.

Since then, OKC has passed an $835 MM ($1.23 Billion adjusted) Bond measure in 2007 and a $967 MM ($1.25 billion adjusted) one in 2017. These were used for maintaining and improving infrastructure. The city also passed MAPS 3 ($777 Million in 2009) and Maps 4 ($978 Million in 2019) in that time.

The first MAPS program was $350 million in 1993 ($772 Million Adjusted).

Opponents of MAPS have used the "we could have used that money for x, y, z" argument every time. Yet we have continued to spent that amount of money on x, y, and z.

And just to do the math, if the goal of investing public money is luring fortune 500 companies, and we could have just used a billion dollars to do that, well, since MAPS started, we've spent over $3 billion in 2024 numbers on infrastructure and educational facilities. I don't think we've lured any fortune 500 company here in that time, but it has created a better quality of life and a better economy that has led us to where the city is now economically vs when it all started in 1993. At this point, if you think this was a failure or misguided, it just lets anyone who was around in 1993 know that you weren't.

Just so you know, there was MAPS for KIDS that passed in 2001, which was a $700 million package for educational facilities. That's $1.2 billion today adjusted for inflation. That was after passing the first MAPS initiative which spent $245 Million (adjusted) on an arena with no major tenant or even prospective one.

Since then, OKC has passed an $835 MM ($1.23 Billion adjusted) Bond measure in 2007 and a $967 MM ($1.25 billion adjusted) one in 2017. These were used for maintaining and improving infrastructure. The city also passed MAPS 3 ($777 Million in 2009) and Maps 4 ($978 Million in 2019) in that time.

The first MAPS program was $350 million in 1993 ($772 Million Adjusted).

Opponents of MAPS have used the "we could have used that money for x, y, z" argument every time. Yet we have continued to spent that amount of money on x, y, and z.

And just to do the math, if the goal of investing public money is luring fortune 500 companies, and we could have just used a billion dollars to do that, well, since MAPS started, we've spent over $3 billion in 2024 numbers on infrastructure and educational facilities. I don't think we've lured any fortune 500 company here in that time, but it has created a better quality of life and a better economy that has led us to where the city is now economically vs when it all started in 1993. At this point, if you think this was a failure or misguided, it just lets anyone who was around in 1993 know that you weren't.

continental resources was lured to OKC (just out side the 500) both it and devon would not be in OKC with out maps .

MAPS for jails?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPhfasol6Js

@Laramie…I have to mention the as soon as I click out of this Forum group, I will be at the main Forums page, and the first thing shown above is County Jail. I’m a life long sports fiend. But, I’m getting “Stadium Fatigue”. I’m all for the Thunder Arena and all we can spend on it. But, if we don’t get moving on the Jail I fully expect the US Department of Justice will sue us and we will wind up with a Consent Decree that will force us to build a jail that will cost over $1 billion.

@Laramie…I have to mention the as soon as I click out of this Forum group, I will be at the main Forums page, and the first thing shown above is County Jail. I’m a life long sports fiend. But, I’m getting “Stadium Fatigue”. I’m all for the Thunder Arena and all we can spend on it. But, if we don’t get moving on the Jail I fully expect the US Department of Justice will sue us and we will wind up with a Consent Decree that will force us to build a jail that will cost over $1 billion.

yeah, that's not really in anyone's budget these days. i know a lot of folks are against privitization for a variety of reasons, but assuming that it is legal for the county to do so, it might be time for the Airport Trust to work a ground lease with Core Civic (or the Geo Group, etc.) and let those guys cook.

no way they could run a jail worse than the county is "running" the current version.

yeah, that's not really in anyone's budget these days. i know a lot of folks are against privitization for a variety of reasons, but assuming that it is legal for the county to do so, it might be time for the Airport Trust to work a ground lease with Core Civic (or the Geo Group, etc.) and let those guys cook.

no way they could run a jail worse than the county is "running" the current version.

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

Wasn’t arguing that point but go off, lil bro.

Where ever they build the county jail, there's going to be the NIMBY opposition. Nobody wants to see the next county jail morphed into a death tower.

Today's Sunday Oklahoman has some interesting articles about our city's future: 'Lost in annexation, How big is too big, What could new Thunder arena look like and Predicting the Future.'

Get ready for the next ten year construction era.

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

where in the united states has this happened??

where in the united states has this happened??

Oklahoma City? Tulsa? The State of Oklahoma? All have had some level of forced federal management over the years. The feds often take oversight and sometimes outright management of prison systems all the time. The feds have previously threatened to force OKC to build a new prison.

where in the united states has this happened??

I think Maricopa County Arizona has been operating under Federal supervision for over 10 years. Spent hundreds of millions on the effort, and still struggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4BP6jNk4Hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFSpcKgyNow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofic6yjNCkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fja1ncjKdi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqbLMvx18mk

Of all places to need a domed stadium ....... but maybe the snow would be too heavy.

Man, this is a depressing threat of wasted public money going to help billionaires

Man, this is a depressing threat of wasted public money going to help billionaires

Ordinarily, l would disagree with your opinion, here. But in the case of New York, the state legislature obligated the entire state to subsidize part of the cost of building the stadium. In OKC, the citizens overwhelmingly voted (and disagreed with your opinion as to a waste of money) to support building the new Thunder arena. In New York, there was no vote and citizens of far away cities must help pay for it. Big difference.

As an aside, the original cost estimate has jumped from $1.4 billion to $2.1 billion with the additional cost to be paid by the owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNoqluQAwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CqcDzgP0-Q
Salt Lake City voters will be asked to approved a .5 % (half penny) sales tax over 30 years to raise money to pay for renovations in the
Sports Entertainment, Arena & Convention District.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8KyJvAAI8w
Sacramento will be in a similar situation Oklahoma City was in when we hosted the NBA Hornets for two years;
have an opportunity to get a trial run. Sacramento Sutter Health Park's capacity is about 14,000, including the outfield berms.

Sactown will an opportunity to host the Athletics and if MLB expands, they will have an opportunity to showcase
California's capital city as MLB deserving.

Salt Lake City's 14,500 seat Smith's park was listed as an alternative for the Athletics.

Wonder why Portland, last hosted AAA baseball in 2010 didn't throw its name in the hat with 25,000 seat Providence Park current home
to the MLS Portland Timbers. Providence Parks received a $36 million renovation in 2011 to make it a premier MLS stadium. Doubt if
Providence Park could have hosted an MLB team and an MLS franchise during the same seasons.