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warreng88
08-19-2024, 08:49 AM
There is a vote to increase the hotel tax 3.75% from 5.50% to 9.25%. From KFOR:

City officials confirm if the election passes, the 3.75% increase is projected to bring in an additional $11.6 million, which will be allocated to as follows:

75% Tourism Promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
13.3% Event Sponsorships.
6.7% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
5% OKC Convention Center for improvements, not including operational costs.

The hotel tax is currently 5.5% and is distributed as follows:

55% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
36% Tourism Promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
9% Event Sponsorships.

https://kfor.com/news/local/oklahoma-city-residents-set-to-vote-on-hotel-tax-august-27/

I am surprised I never saw anything on this until Sunday morning when I was at the gym and saw a commercial promoting it.

Bellaboo
08-19-2024, 08:53 AM
The commercial has been going on for a few weeks now.

ManAboutTown
08-19-2024, 09:32 AM
Anyone know what the hotel tax is in Edmond, Norman, Yukon, etc.? It would be interesting to know what the outlying cities charge.

warreng88
08-19-2024, 10:22 AM
Edmond is 6%. It went up in June.

Norman increased theirs in 2023 to 8%.

jn1780
08-19-2024, 01:27 PM
Everyone has been going up. The larger cities even more so than Norman or Edmond. To stay competitive, the hotel tax needs to be bumped up to be on par with peer cities.

Pete
08-19-2024, 01:46 PM
BTW, the line that "visitors pay this tax, not locals" just isn't true.

First of all, locals do plenty of staycations (wait until OKANA opens). And secondly, if you organize or go to an event you are likely paying that tax.


Not saying people should vote against the increase, just providing some clarification.

FighttheGoodFight
08-19-2024, 01:56 PM
BTW, the line that "visitors pay this tax, not locals" just isn't true.

First of all, locals do plenty of staycations (wait until OKANA opens). And secondly, if you organize or go to an event you are likely paying that tax.


Not saying people should vote against the increase, just providing some clarification.

We will be for sure doing a staycation with the kids at Okana. My kid mentions he wants to go everytime we drive past!

warreng88
08-19-2024, 02:24 PM
To be clear, I don't have a dog in the fight. I am not saying I am voting for or against it, I just was surprised I didn't see anything about until Sunday morning at 6:00am at the gym. Never saw anything on any social media platforms or ads on outdoor media either. But maybe that's the way they want it so there isn't a huge pushback.

GaryOKC6
08-19-2024, 03:30 PM
It is a good thing for OKC. Last year there was around 4 billion in tourism in Oklahoma. 2.6 billion of that was spent right here in OKC. most of that was spent in local restaurants and retailers. The increase will allow for more external marketing.

ManAboutTown
08-19-2024, 03:57 PM
I just noticed on social media that the OKC Metro Hotel Association endorsed the tax increase. With the Chamber of Commerce obviously endorsing it, too, it should pass pretty easily.

PaddyShack
08-19-2024, 04:08 PM
Everyone has been going up. The larger cities even more so than Norman or Edmond. To stay competitive, the hotel tax needs to be bumped up to be on par with peer cities.

Why does bumping up a tax need to happen? Wouldn't less taxes make a city more attractive than their peers?

fortpatches
08-19-2024, 04:14 PM
Why does bumping up a tax need to happen? Wouldn't less taxes make a city more attractive than their peers?

I don't think I have ever shopped around tax rates when traveling? I already know where I am going and just look for hotels within a reasonable timewise distance of the reason I am traveling. Like, I wouldn't get a hotel 10milss away just because it is 1-2% cheaper.

Maybe the tax rate would be more important if someone is traveling aimlessly and has no prevailing reason to choose one city over another.

BoulderSooner
08-19-2024, 04:23 PM
Why does bumping up a tax need to happen? Wouldn't less taxes make a city more attractive than their peers?

needs to happen to fund the the CVB to grow hotel nights in OKC that is why all the hotels are in support of the increase ..

Bellaboo
08-19-2024, 05:27 PM
To be clear, I don't have a dog in the fight. I am not saying I am voting for or against it, I just was surprised I didn't see anything about until Sunday morning at 6:00am at the gym. Never saw anything on any social media platforms or ads on outdoor media either. But maybe that's the way they want it so there isn't a huge pushback.

If you follow David Holt on twitter (X) he's been talking about it.

For a while.

warreng88
08-19-2024, 06:21 PM
And, to no one’s surprise, JoBeth Hammon is coming out against it.

Richard at Remax
08-19-2024, 10:49 PM
And, to no one’s surprise, JoBeth Hammon is coming out against it.

Color me shocked

jn1780
08-20-2024, 08:18 AM
If you follow David Holt on twitter (X) he's been talking about it.

For a while.

It was a big topic in the State of the City Address.

Bellaboo
08-20-2024, 08:23 AM
And, to no one’s surprise, JoBeth Hammon is coming out against it.

She was against the new arena also.

Some just don't get what it takes for progress.

jn1780
08-20-2024, 08:29 AM
Why does bumping up a tax need to happen? Wouldn't less taxes make a city more attractive than their peers?

We really need to get out of the mindset that we can only be competitive if everything in our city is dirt cheap. I'm sure there are other places with even lower taxes and investment. Probably wouldn't want to visit those places though.

bison34
08-20-2024, 08:42 AM
We really need to get out of the mindset that we can only be competitive if everything in our city is dirt cheap. I'm sure there are other places with even lower taxes and investment. Probably wouldn't want to visit those places though.

Exactly. I'm sure Jackson, Mississippi has lovely areas. But I don't want to visit it, at all.

warreng88
08-20-2024, 09:24 AM
To fortpatches point, people are going to stay in an area they want to stay in. They are not going to shop around looking for something a little bit cheaper and lot further away from the things I want to see and do. We are going to New Orleans for the first time in a few months and we could stay at a Hampton Inn and uber or take the streetcar to the areas we want to go to, but we would rather pay more money and walk where we want to go.

okcrun
08-20-2024, 05:10 PM
75% Tourism Promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.

Would be curious what this is going towards exactly. Having had interactions over the years with the economic development folks, budget increases like this just tends to increase headcount without necessarily providing any demonstrable improvements as a result. Probably unfair to put tourism in that category but it's not really reassuring to provide almost zero detail about how they are using the bulk of that money.

Urbanized
08-20-2024, 08:39 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
You can read many of the finer details on the Chamber’s Velocity website (https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/inside-okc/okc-set-to-vote-on-hotel-tax-to-level-the-playing-field), even more details in the City’s news release (https://www.okc.gov/Home/Components/News/News/4937/), and you can view the actual ballot and its specific language by visiting the Oklahoma Voter Portal (https://okvoterportal.okelections.us/).

April in the Plaza
08-20-2024, 08:57 PM
Would be curious what this is going towards exactly. Having had interactions over the years with the economic development folks, budget increases like this just tends to increase headcount without necessarily providing any demonstrable improvements as a result. Probably unfair to put tourism in that category but it's not really reassuring to provide almost zero detail about how they are using the bulk of that money.

Well said. It’s interesting that they claim Kansas City is a peer city. That seems like a big league reach.

Urbanized
08-20-2024, 09:11 PM
I fail to see how it’s well said when the supposedly pined-for details are fully available with only a mere click of the mouse or the tap of a finger.

okcrun
08-21-2024, 09:01 AM
I fail to see how it’s well said when the supposedly pined-for details are fully available with only a mere click of the mouse or the tap of a finger.

What are you talking about? All of those links are just generic verbiage about "scaling marketing efforts" to attract more conventions and tourists. I'm talking about what is the return on investment on these marketing dollars spent? One would think they would have done internal estimates saying if we increase our budget X% on marketing, we would expect to attract X more tourists and conventions annually. Just strange wording like that doesn't appear anywhere. It's almost like they just looked at the hotel tax rate of comparable cities and decided this was an easy way to increase their budget.

okcrun
08-21-2024, 09:02 AM
Oops sorry duplicate post

Jeepnokc
08-21-2024, 09:15 AM
I am not versed on the State Fair Board other than comments that have been made on this site. I am under the impression that the State Fair Board has little oversight or accountability. Is this correct? Pete.....can you fill us in on this as I recall correctly, you have eluded to this in the past. The fairgrounds brings a lot of tourism in to OKC and does great things but there should be accountability and transparency before we continue to give them more money.

Pete
08-21-2024, 09:19 AM
The fairgrounds does not have public meetings and doesn't share meeting minutes, so it's a strange situation where the trust oversees assets completely owned by the City and gets tons of tax dollars, but is pretty secretive in their operation.

Jeepnokc
08-21-2024, 09:22 AM
The fairgrounds does not have public meetings and doesn't share meeting minutes, so it's a strange situation where the trust oversees assets completely owned by the City and gets tons of tax dollars, but is pretty secretive in their operation.

Do they get audited or have anyone independently tracking the public money?

OkiePoke
08-21-2024, 09:41 AM
I'm surprised the Fair Grounds get's that large of chunk of money... What is a common distribution of that tax in other cities? Or does it vary so greatly?

Pete
08-21-2024, 09:49 AM
Do they get audited or have anyone independently tracking the public money?

Yes, they do.

They operate as a nonprofit so some info is public, such as their President making more than $320K, which is more than our City Manager (who oversees 5,000+ employees).

citywokchinesefood
08-21-2024, 09:51 AM
Yes, they do.

They operate as a nonprofit so some info is public, such as their President making more than $320K, which is more than our City Manager (who oversees 5,000+ employees).

Please tell me you are joking Pete. I would really like to see someone justify that level of compensation for that position. Literally insane.

Urbanized
08-21-2024, 10:25 AM
Events at the state fairgrounds annual draw more room nights and other economic impact than do conferences/conventions and sports business (think WCWS, many other events at USA Softball, Thunder, collegiate sports, Riversport, high school championships, youth soccer, cheerleading)…COMBINED. The state fairgrounds is one of the largest generators of room taxes and sales taxes in the state.

Due to state constitutional limitations on municipalities benefitting from property tax, the City of OKC - more so than most major cities in other states - is almost completely reliant on sales tax to operate and to provide municipal services. THAT is why you see so much continued investment there.

Pete
08-27-2024, 09:46 PM
Looks like the tax increase was approved today with about 66% of the vote.

Laramie
08-27-2024, 10:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SncD2RlQAeU


Oklahoma City Proposition 1



Votes - Percent


Yes - 21,472 - 66.4%

No - 10,851 - 33.6%


Oklahoma City voters approved raising the hotel tax from 5.5% to 9.25%. With the increase, the tax could bring in a little more than $11 million.

The additional revenue will fund equine and livestock shows, the convention center, the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum, and the Women's College World Series.

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BoulderSooner
08-28-2024, 07:58 AM
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The additional revenue will fund equine and livestock shows, the convention center, the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum, and the Women's College World Series.

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75% of the new tax revenue goes directly to tourism promotion NOT to those events ..

Pete
08-28-2024, 09:19 AM
Press release:

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OKC voters approve hotel tax increase
08/28/2024

Tourism in Oklahoma City will get a much-needed boost following voter approval on Aug. 27 to increase the City’s portion of the hotel tax from 5.50% to 9.25%. The new rate will take effect Oct. 1, 2024.

The tax is charged to people who stay overnight in a hotel or rent a home-sharing property in OKC.

The additional funding will be used to attract more visitors by scaling advertising and marketing efforts and supporting large events and festivals. A portion of the funds would also be used to improve the OKC Fairgrounds and OKC Convention Center, anchor venues for national and international equine, sporting events and conventions that draw millions of visitors annually.

“All OKC does is win,” Mayor David Holt said. “This is a big victory for our city. By giving us the resources to compete – without taxing our residents – this solidifies our status as a tourist destination. Those visitors fuel our economy and help fund our core city services. This result also illustrates why I call us the most mission-focused city in America. Our voters’ commitment to progress remains strong. We continue to do what it takes to remain a top 20 city.”

The 3.75% increase is projected to bring in an additional $11.6 million, which will be allocated to as follows:

75% tourism promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
13.3% event sponsorships.
6.7% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
5% OKC Convention Center for improvements, not including operational costs.

The hotel tax is currently 5.5% and is distributed as follows:
55% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
36% Tourism Promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
9% Event Sponsorships.
The 9.25% hotel tax is in addition to the 4.5% state sales tax and the 4.125% City sales tax, for 17.875%.

“On behalf of Visit Oklahoma City and the nearly 35,000 locals that work in hospitality, I want to thank the citizens of OKC for voting in support of tourism and the vital role it plays in our community and economy,” Visit Oklahoma City President Zac Craig said. “We’ve built a dynamic destination, and this increased funding allows us to attract visitors that are the lifeblood of our districts, small businesses, hotels and attractions.”

When considering hotel tax and assessments at checkout, Oklahoma City lagged peer cities, as well as smaller markets such as Tulsa and Wichita:

Memphis 19.75%
San Antonio 19%
Kansas City 18.35%
Austin 17%
Tulsa 16.52%
Wichita 16.25%
OKC 14.13% (currently)

How the funding will be used

Visit OKC’s tourism promotion efforts bring conventions, sporting events and leisure travelers to fill hotel rooms, restaurants and facilities.

“Tourism employs 1 in 20 locals and is the third largest industry in the state, with Oklahoma City leading the way in visitation and economic impact,” City Manager Craig Freeman said. “Thanks to investments we’ve made through MAPS, tourism is now a significant and growing aspect of our economy.”

History of OKC’s Hotel Tax

In 1972, the voters of Oklahoma City approved a “room tax” of 2% to provide a source of dedicated revenue to promote conventions and tourism in Oklahoma City. In Dec. 2004, Oklahoma City residents approved a 3.5% increase for an event sponsorship fund (0.5 cents) and OKC Fairgrounds improvements (3 cents), bringing the current hotel tax total to 5.5%. The approved rate took effect in 2005.

“Oklahoma City’s hotel room tax helps our City thrive by attracting national conventions and sporting events and providing support for our venues and visitor services,” City Manager Craig Freeman added. “It’s been 20 years since the tax was adjusted and 52 years since we’ve increased funding for tourism promotion. This update allows us to better keep pace with OKC’s growth and our competitive peer set of destinations.”

The hotel tax ordinance was introduced at the May 7 City Council meeting, a public hearing was held on May 14 and the Citywide election was Aug. 27, 2024.

gjl
08-28-2024, 09:46 AM
So only about 32000 people voted. I couldn't find how many registered voters are in OKC, only OK County which was 445700. I figured it would be a pretty small turnout.

OKCRealtor
08-28-2024, 09:50 AM
Yes, they do.

They operate as a nonprofit so some info is public, such as their President making more than $320K, which is more than our City Manager (who oversees 5,000+ employees).

Wow lol

bison34
08-28-2024, 09:52 AM
So only about 32000 people voted. I couldn't find how many registered voters are in OKC, only OK County which was 445700. I figured it would be a pretty small turnout.

I guess this wasn't a controversial enough topic to warrant people to care.

I am glad they voted yes, but am slightly skeptical as to what benefits OKC will see from the excess revenue (or if there will be a large increase in tourism).

GaryOKC6
08-28-2024, 10:17 AM
The facilities at the fairgrounds are booked 300 days out of the year. The horse shows are a small part of that but generate over 250 million a year for OKC.

jn1780
08-28-2024, 10:24 AM
I guess this wasn't a controversial enough topic to warrant people to care.

I am glad they voted yes, but am slightly skeptical as to what benefits OKC will see from the excess revenue (or if there will be a large increase in tourism).

If OKC was stagnant I would agree, but with OKANA, new Arenas (the big one and the one at the fairgrounds), 2028 Olympics, zoo improvements, etc, now is the time to ramp up the marketing.

kukblue1
08-28-2024, 10:28 AM
So what is the Tax in Moore, Norman, Edmond, Yukon. How much am I saving per $100 if I don't stay in OKC.

Laramie
08-28-2024, 10:33 AM
75% of the new tax revenue goes directly to tourism promotion NOT to those events ..

So you're saying those events are not apart of tourism . . .

Thank you, Pete

The 3.75% increase is projected to bring in an additional $11.6 million, which will be allocated to as follows:

75% tourism promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
13.3% event sponsorships.
6.7% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
5% OKC Convention Center for improvements, not including operational costs.

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LocoAko
08-28-2024, 11:02 AM
So what is the Tax in Moore, Norman, Edmond, Yukon. How much am I saving per $100 if I don't stay in OKC.

Compared to OKC's new tax rate, you'd save (per $100)

$1.25 by staying in Norman
$3.25 by staying in Edmond

I couldn't easily find numbers for Moore or Yukon, although keep in mind large swaths of what we call Moore and Yukon are actually OKC. As you can see, the difference is fairly negligible.

Urbanized
08-28-2024, 11:07 AM
So what is the Tax in Moore, Norman, Edmond, Yukon. How much am I saving per $100 if I don't stay in OKC.
Norman and Edmond have both raised their room taxes in the past 18 months. Norman is at 8% (vs OKC’s 5.5% today, 9.25% when the new tax goes into effect) and Edmond went from 4% to 6%. Honestly I’d think most people would expect room tax to be higher in a major city than in a bedroom community for the same city. The suburbs indirectly benefit from the much larger marketing efforts of the OKC CVB, which is tasked with the heavy lifting for the metro market.

gjl
08-28-2024, 11:09 AM
One thing I heard from the people who weren't supporting it was that sometimes chronic homeless people and people that get evicted sometimes get hotel rooms and it would adversely effect those people who can barely afford to stay in hotels. I am in Warr Acres (couldn't vote in this one) and at the last WA city council meeting they were discussing raising their hotel tax. WA only has one hotel on NW Highway. WA is in a bit of a financial pickle again but they say a lot of small towns are suffering from revenue short falls since Covid. WA sales tax and use tax is currently 4% for a total of 8.5%.

jn1780
08-28-2024, 11:12 AM
Compared to OKC's new tax rate, you'd save (per $100)

$1.25 by staying in Norman
$3.25 by staying in Edmond

I couldn't easily find numbers for Moore or Yukon, although keep in mind large swaths of what we call Moore and Yukon are actually OKC. As you can see, the difference is fairly negligible.

Yeah, it's like any other travel destination. You pay more for being closer to what your actually visiting.

PhiAlpha
08-28-2024, 11:35 AM
One thing I heard from the people who weren't supporting it was that sometimes chronic homeless people and people that get evicted sometimes get hotel rooms and it would adversely effect those people who can barely afford to stay in hotels. I am in Warr Acres (couldn't vote in this one) and at the last WA city council meeting they were discussing raising their hotel tax. WA only has one hotel on NW Highway. WA is in a bit of a financial pickle again but they say a lot of small towns are suffering from revenue short falls since Covid. WA sales tax and use tax is currently 4% for a total of 8.5%.

You'd have to spend months training for such high level mental gymnastics to avoid getting dizzy.

BoulderSooner
08-28-2024, 01:23 PM
The 3.75% increase is projected to bring in an additional $11.6 million, which will be allocated to as follows:

75% tourism promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
13.3% event sponsorships.
6.7% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
5% OKC Convention Center for improvements, not including operational costs.

The hotel tax is currently 5.5% and is distributed as follows:
55% OKC Fairgrounds for improvements, not including operational costs.
36% Tourism Promotion, direct funding to promote and/or foster the convention and/or tourism (visitor) development of Oklahoma City.
9% Event Sponsorships.
The 9.25% hotel tax is in addition to the 4.5% state sales tax and the 4.125% City sales tax, for 17.875%.


roughly the new break down of the 9.25% tax going forward

52% to Tourism Promotion
35% to Fairgrounds
11% to event sponsorships
2% to the OKC CC

Urbanized
08-28-2024, 09:18 PM
For anyone wondering, event sponsorships are generally used to put conferences, conventions and other events together. For instance they might be used to pay for transportation and logistics, or to close a gap in room rates to ensure competitiveness when bidding against a competing city. They’re used to help close most significant meetings, which are generally booked many months and even years in advance, and which are very competitive to land.

April in the Plaza
08-28-2024, 09:51 PM
For anyone wondering, event sponsorships are generally used to put conferences, conventions and other events together. For instance they might be used to pay for transportation and logistics, or to close a gap in room rates to ensure competitiveness when bidding against a competing city. They’re used to help close most significant meetings, which are generally booked many months and even years in advance, and which are very competitive to land.

Taxpayer subsidies to land meetings? Between whom? That just seems wild, imo, unless “meetings” means conferences / conventions.

bison34
08-28-2024, 10:23 PM
Taxpayer subsidies to land meetings? Between whom? That just seems wild, imo, unless “meetings” means conferences / conventions.

That is 1,000,000% what he meant by meetings.