We got Fasusi after much speculation and visits to UT & A&M last couple weeks. Definitely needed that one.

And there goes Arnold, dang. Highest ranked recruit in OU history and we totally screwed it up. I would assume Mateer is coming with Arbuckle at this point but no idea. Regardless we don't have a QB right now for next year.

And there goes Arnold, dang. Highest ranked recruit in OU history and we totally screwed it up. I would assume Mateer is coming with Arbuckle at this point but no idea. Regardless we don't have a QB right now for next year.

we still have Hawkins on roster, unless i missed a portal announcement there

we still have Hawkins on roster, unless i missed a portal announcement there

No he hasn't announced yet, hopefully with his Dad that gives him better chance to stay. Regardless he's not SEC ready & we've got to get a proven winner from portal now who would presumably be the starter.

Didn't quite work out for Jackson. I hope he can find a good spot and continue to improve. Seemed like a really nice guy.

Didn't quite work out for Jackson. I hope he can find a good spot and continue to improve. Seemed like a really nice guy.

Wish him the best, we put him in just about the worst situation anyone could be put into. You certainly can't blame him. Maybe he's a total bust or maybe it's the program. I guess we'll find out with his next stop. I still think he's got the talent just not the coaching and right situation.

And there goes Arnold, dang. Highest ranked recruit in OU history and we totally screwed it up. I would assume Mateer is coming with Arbuckle at this point but no idea. Regardless we don't have a QB right now for next year.

not the highest ranked recruit in OU history ..

not the highest ranked recruit in OU history ..

Did he get downgraded? At one point he was way up there. Even so he’s still in the top several all time recruits I’d say but perhaps not #1. Huge dissapoinment irregardless.

Did he get downgraded? At one point he was way up there. Even so he’s still in the top several all time recruits I’d say but perhaps not #1. Huge dissapoinment irregardless.
He was very highly regarded. He could very well end up with a contender. And if so I'll be anxious to see what he can do with a top o-line and group of receivers/RBs around him.

He's definitely not the highest ranked recruit. I believe Rhett Bomar and Adrian Peterson were 1 and 2 in the country when they signed with OU. Arnold was in the teens in most services.

Everyone here is saying OU screwed Jackson up, but he might just be a bust. There's no question he was put in a bad position, but most of his turnovers were his fault and he really struggled to see the field. He'd have guys running open and he just couldn't see them. Maybe he goes elsewhere is good, but I suspect he's more than likely an under average college QB. It seems like Mateer would be a big upgrade.

I wish Jackson well.

Really hard to tell if he was any good given our general offensive woes.

But OU (and other schools) have had a long list of 5* QB's that were complete busts. So much of quarterbacking is making quick decisions and executing when the heat is on. Even the highest levels of high school can't simulate that, so QB's in particular are always a crap shoot.

I wish Jackson well.

Really hard to tell if he was any good given our general offensive woes.

But OU (and other schools) have had a long list of 5* QB's that were complete busts. So much of quarterbacking is making quick decisions and executing when the heat is on. Even the highest levels of high school can't simulate that, so QB's in particular are always a crap shoot.
Cale Gundy was discussing his view of Jackson today. He noted that as the season progressed Jackson developed a lot of bad habits that got worse as things went along. Part of that is probably because the defenses beat the crap out of him most of the season and he got paranoid. That's not uncommon in offenses with horrible QB protection.

I wish Jackson well.

Really hard to tell if he was any good given our general offensive woes.

But OU (and other schools) have had a long list of 5* QB's that were complete busts. So much of quarterbacking is making quick decisions and executing when the heat is on. Even the highest levels of high school can't simulate that, so QB's in particular are always a crap shoot.

Very well said. For every Patrick Mahomes, you'll have a hundred Rhett Bomars.

Cale Gundy was discussing his view of Jackson today. He noted that as the season progressed Jackson developed a lot of bad habits that got worse as things went along. Part of that is probably because the defenses beat the crap out of him most of the season and he got paranoid. That's not uncommon in offenses with horrible QB protection.
And not uncommon to develop bad habits as a young QB when you don't have a QB coach

Very well said. For every Patrick Mahomes, you'll have a hundred Rhett Bomars.

you don't have "a hundred" of QB's like rhett bomar that played in the NFL ..

Cale Gundy was discussing his view of Jackson today. He noted that as the season progressed Jackson developed a lot of bad habits that got worse as things went along. Part of that is probably because the defenses beat the crap out of him most of the season and he got paranoid. That's not uncommon in offenses with horrible QB protection.

this is correct ..

and he could not get out of the bad habits when later in the season the protection improved a ton ..

Everyone here is saying OU screwed Jackson up, but he might just be a bust. There's no question he was put in a bad position, but most of his turnovers were his fault and he really struggled to see the field. He'd have guys running open and he just couldn't see them. Maybe he goes elsewhere is good, but I suspect he's more than likely an under average college QB. It seems like Mateer would be a big upgrade.

I have seen numerous articles and then people on the radio acting like he's prime to run the table with a contender. And while I agree it wasn't all his fault a lot were. fumbling without someone touching him against missouri. throwing into double coverage against Tennessee. JA definitely has some running ability and could read the zone read. But the RPO game and coverages seemed to have him in a fog. the last 3 games of the season he had time in the pocket and there were people at times open enough to try and it just didn't happen.

maybe he'll prove us wrong but I don't see how he's going to be super successful. I hope I'm wrong.

Nic Anderson just hit the portal, expect the hits to keep coming.

I think everyone expects a pretty large exodus to the portal but OU will hit the portal hard to get some of that back. Also is this the first year of the smaller roster? I can't remember the exact numbers.

Yea only 18 guys in the class, think we had 27 last couple years or around there.

They will have to have major portal success at this point, we’re 10th in SEC team ranking with an already bleak offense and not much talent coming in at this point.

you don't have "a hundred" of QB's like rhett bomar that played in the NFL ..

Yeah most people don't realize that Bomar actually played in the NFL for a few years.

just so those no OU needs players to hit the portal as they currently are over the scholarship limit .. (with the 18 guys they just signed)

just so those no OU needs players to hit the portal as they currently are over the scholarship limit .. (with the 18 guys they just signed)

Yea it was seemingly intentional but given that we are already struggling on offense with those already on the team & don't have much incoming talent as of now while our best WR & Arnold just bolted. We aren't replacing a guy like Nic Anderson through the portal. I've seen one parent (of a player) on SM blame the medical staff/trainers directly referencing this.

We aren't replacing a guy like Nic Anderson through the portal. I've seen one parent (of a player) on SM blame the medical staff/trainers directly referencing this.

not much to replace ... and OU very much could get a much more talented player then him in the portal ..

Yea it was seemingly intentional but given that we are already struggling on offense with those already on the team & don't have much incoming talent as of now while our best WR & Arnold just bolted. We aren't replacing a guy like Nic Anderson through the portal. I've seen one parent (of a player) on SM blame the medical staff/trainers directly referencing this.

We can't replace a guy who wasn't able to play a single full quarter this season in the portal?

Are we really that concerned about our worst quarterback since before 1999 hitting the portal?

not much to replace ... and OU very much could get a much more talented player then him in the portal ..

Unlikely. Anderson is a big, physical, talented receiver. If he's healthy, he'll be playing on Sunday. He'll have lucrative offers from big programs. OU won't get a better talent than him. But they may get someone healthy.

I'll also add that Venables has always touted his integrity and asked committed recruits not to take visits. Then, he basically pulled the scholarship offers from two long-time commitments just a couple days before "signing day." It's hypocritical and disappointing. Venables just needs to quit talking about morals and doing the right thing if he can't walk the walk.

His freshman #'s were off the charts- better than Ceedee & other notable OU greats. Granted he's gotta be healthy but point being the parent is pointing finger at the medical staff. I know other people have certainly speculated we may have a more significant underlying issue with respect to strength & conditioning. This is kinda along those same lines.

I'm more concerned about the general direction of everything on offense and how bad things really are behind the scenes to even get to this point or have a season like we just had. So far we are not off to a great start in the off season is all I'm saying. We did get Fasusi but that's about the only highlight thus far with several negatives on offense.

Unlikely. Anderson is a big, physical, talented receiver. If he's healthy, he'll be playing on Sunday. He'll have lucrative offers from big programs. OU won't get a better talent than him. But they may get someone healthy.

I think it is more unlikely that Anderson will stay healthy next year. He has played half a dozen games in two years and will be coming off a torn quad. Keep in mind that his brother was always hurt. The bigger gamble is giving him several hundred thousands in NIL and rely on him next year. For the money Anderson is going to want, you can probably get 2 or 3 solid/very good receivers.

The ranking of the recruiting class doesn't matter as much as many people want it to. For two reasons. First, there are 4 and 5 star recruits that bust. And there are 2 and 3 star guys that end up being really good. It's always been this way. And second, in this day of commitment being a thing of the past, you don't really know if the incoming freshman signees will ever play here.
So, we HAVE to make a bunch of major wins in the upcoming portal if we're going to turn the program in a positive direction.

Anyone know how the money from the House settlement is going to work next year? Seems to me that we're gonna have $20 million we have to spread around to 95 players, which looks like $210,000 each, on average? Anyone know how NIL figures into all that?

His freshman #'s were off the charts- better than Ceedee & other notable OU greats. Granted he's gotta be healthy but point being the parent is pointing finger at the medical staff. I know other people have certainly speculated we may have a more significant underlying issue with respect to strength & conditioning. This is kinda along those same lines.

I'm more concerned about the general direction of everything on offense and how bad things really are behind the scenes to even get to this point or have a season like we just had. So far we are not off to a great start in the off season is all I'm saying. We did get Fasusi but that's about the only highlight thus far with several negatives on offense.

I've heard there might be an issue with the medical or S&T staff practices but it's just hard to believe when its only affecting one position group.

Michael Hawkins has had a chance to sit and watch. He'll continue to be a good competitor regardless of any QB who transfers to OU thru the portal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eombKuRCNPo
Eighteen true freshman recruits...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kVyKQSdPxE
Mateer 6'1" - 219 is awesome, fast, doesn't hesitate to make a decision. IMO he is underrated . . .

I've heard there might be an issue with the medical or S&T staff practices but it's just hard to believe when its only affecting one position group.

Yea.. I think it's more likely that those WR's were actually healthy & just didn't want to play. At least that's the speculation from many, they were all probably just waiting to hit the portal and didn't want to risk anything further heading into free agency. I hope that isn't true and all these guys didn't just quit the team early on this year once they realized how bad we were but then again that might just be the NIL world we live in now.

Yea.. I think it's more likely that those WR's were actually healthy & just didn't want to play. At least that's the speculation from many, they were all probably just waiting to hit the portal and didn't want to risk anything further heading into free agency. I hope that isn't true and all these guys didn't just quit the team early on this year once they realized how bad we were but then again that might just be the NIL world we live in now.

Or they might actually have had serios injuries…..which is why OU is having them move on knowing they would have a hard time competing next year.

Bottom line is that we are al just speculating and many need someone to blame to make them feel beter.

I was under the impression that the WRs were staying (guess that was wrong) and that's why they 2 WR flipped, they didn't want to gray shirt. The player count reduction is also affecting us (and everyone).

I don't think any of them have announced yet other than Anderson, hopefully it's just speculation and they are staying. But at same time it kinda makes sense if they don't.

Unlikely. Anderson is a big, physical, talented receiver. If he's healthy, he'll be playing on Sunday. He'll have lucrative offers from big programs. OU won't get a better talent than him. But they may get someone healthy.


I'll also add that Venables has always touted his integrity and asked committed recruits not to take visits. Then, he basically pulled the scholarship offers from two long-time commitments just a couple days before "signing day." It's hypocritical and disappointing. Venables just needs to quit talking about morals and doing the right thing if he can't walk the walk.

lol

Or they might actually have had serios injuries…..which is why OU is having them move on knowing they would have a hard time competing next year.

Bottom line is that we are al just speculating and many need someone to blame to make them feel beter.

Speculating yes. But with at least some knowledgeable input. Cale Gundy has said he believes that at least some of the WRs were healthy but just didn't want to play. He's usually right.

The ranking of the recruiting class doesn't matter as much as many people want it to. For two reasons. First, there are 4 and 5 star recruits that bust. And there are 2 and 3 star guys that end up being really good. It's always been this way. And second, in this day of commitment being a thing of the past, you don't really know if the incoming freshman signees will ever play here.
So, we HAVE to make a bunch of major wins in the upcoming portal if we're going to turn the program in a positive direction.

Exactly. They are free agents every year and there are no standard structured contracts or collectively bargained deals. So, the portal means as much or more than high school players. And if any of those freshman are good, but not quite able to break into the rotation in year 1, then you have to be prepared to pay them more to not play than some other school will pay them to play.

It's a reboot every year now, even for really good programs. Investing in experienced college players through the portal is usually going to net a better return than not-quite-ready to start high schoolers who are just as likely to leave as they are to stay once they are ready to start.

Speculating yes. But with at least some knowledgeable input. Cale Gundy has said he believes that at least some of the WRs were healthy but just didn't want to play. He's usually right.

Yea if we had a bunch of guys just straight up quit and sit out the season that is not good at all. Is this happening anywhere else? I know that SMU quarterback quit mid-season over NIL stuff.

Yea if we had a bunch of guys just straight up quit and sit out the season that is not good at all. Is this happening anywhere else? I know that SMU quarterback quit mid-season over NIL stuff.

UNLV and SMU as well?

We're going through a rough patch in college football. I think the next evolution of the NIL will be multiyear contracts for NIL athletes. The pendulum has been on the side of the schools for a loooong time, and as things go, it has now swung as far in the opposite direction it can go. Equilibrium will be found, but it may take some congressional action because of the whole anti-trust angle.

Anyone know how the money from the House settlement is going to work next year? Seems to me that we're gonna have $20 million we have to spread around to 95 players, which looks like $210,000 each, on average? Anyone know how NIL figures into all that?

I believe the ~$20 million figure is spread across the whole athletics department, although I would imagine the majority of the compensation will be steered towards the athletes that generate most of the revenue (i.e., football, men's basketball, softball).

I don't see the NIL collective (1Oklahoma) going away. it, along with other sources of NIL, will co-exist with the revenue promised to athletes under the House settlement.

I think the next evolution of the NIL will be multiyear contracts for NIL athletes.

Hopefully, with schools being able to pay the athletes, NIL will stop being the pay-to-play mechanism that it was never intended to be and those contracts will actually be for name, image, and likeness deals. And then the schools can use the direct payments to form longer term contracts with the athletes. This could lead to some sort of universal payment structure.

Speculating yes. But with at least some knowledgeable input. Cale Gundy has said he believes that at least some of the WRs were healthy but just didn't want to play. He's usually right.

This has been debunked by reporters close to the team numerous times. It’s disappointing that folks keep spreading rumors without solid evidence. Which player specifically are you making claims about? Because there’s solid info on most of their injuries.

This has been debunked by reporters close to the team numerous times. It’s disappointing that folks keep spreading rumors without solid evidence. Which player specifically are you making claims about? Because there’s solid info on most of their injuries.I don't claim to know anything. Except what Cale Gundy has said. When on the radio he very often says he has an idea what's happening with something but he can't say. When he does make definitive statements he's usually right. Enough that I'll take his word until he's proven otherwise.

I don't claim to know anything. Except what Cale Gundy has said. When on the radio he very often says he has an idea what's happening with something but he can't say. When he does make definitive statements he's usually right. Enough that I'll take his word until he's proven otherwise.

When there's smoke there's fire.

Just saw a clip with Ikard and Lehman talking about Anderson. They misdiagnosed the injury & didn't order an MRI initially apparently. Sounds like due to the distrust of the medical staff he went and got his own private MRI which revealed the torn quad. All of this could have been prevented with an MRI in the first place it sounds like. Sounds like he was doing PT away from the team in Edmond and may not have been the only one.

I'm not disputing that the medical staff may have messed up. That's not what we were discussing. I was contesting the claim that players were healthy and wouldn't play. We absolutely know that is NOT true for Jayden Gibson, Andrel Anthony, and Nic Anderson as they all had known injuries. That only leaves Burks and Farooq who both attempted to come back only to be injured again. My point is that people shouldn't spread the rumor that players are unwilling to play unless they have solid evidence. It seems all these guys—possibly due in part to OU's S&C staff and medical team—were injured and wanted to help the team.

I'm not disputing that the medical staff may have messed up. That's not what we were discussing. I was contesting the claim that players were healthy and wouldn't play. We absolutely know that is NOT true for Jayden Gibson, Andrel Anthony, and Nic Anderson as they all had known injuries. That only leaves Burks and Farooq who both attempted to come back only to be injured again. My point is that people shouldn't spread the rumor that players are unwilling to play unless they have solid evidence. It seems all these guys—possibly due in part to OU's S&C staff and medical team—were injured and wanted to help the team.If there's any rumors being spread then it's by Cale Gundy. And I have a problem believing that he would do that.

OU vs Navy in the Armed Forces bowl. December 27th at 11AM.

OU vs Air Force in the Armed Forces bowl. December 27th at 11AM.

I thought it was OU vs Navy.

I thought it was OU vs Navy.

It’s OU vs Navy. Will Michael Hawkins be the QB?

Oops! I read Navy and typed AF.

Can we have a moment of silence for Alabama. Hehehehehe. The got knocked out cause of Oklahoma. Well a little bit of Clemson too but mainly Oklahoma.

It’s OU vs Navy. Will Michael Hawkins be the QB?Hawkins would be my guess. I think I remember other instances where a player that entered the portal is considered gone. And Hawkins is the only other QB with any real experience. And not much at that.

Arnold is gone. It’s Hawkins. But Casey Thompson is his backup, and he has about as much experience as any QB could have.

Would be fun to see Casey get some time.

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