You do realize that there is a big difference than one single player being out and pretty much an entire position group, right? Injuries aren't OUr only problem, but it's a big deal.

It’s a big deal, no doubt, but while not as good as the 5 WRs who are out, all those guys behind them were 4 and 5 star recruits too(at least I think Thompson was a 5 star). They shouldn’t be expected to perform as well as the starters but it isn’t like we’re dropping down to G5 talent. Drake stoops was a 2 star preferred walk on and played better than those guys who have a ton more physical ability than he did. No one should expect them to be a top 50 offense under those conditions especially with a bad line and a young QB, but they certainly have enough to be better than 50-70 of the teams that are in front of them right now. There’s just no excuse at OU to ever have a bottom 5-10 offense out of 133 teams. This is an incompetence not seen since pre-1999.

I’m not sure what you can do about it right now, probably best just to hold it together and do whatever they can to make it work but fair or not, there has to be a change at OC at the end of the season barring a miracle resurgence over the last 6 games. Probably need to at least try to keep BB since we have one of the best OL classes we’ve signed since the 2000s coming in and you have to try to keep that together. Maybe Emmitt Jones as well but everyone else is on the block. Their defense is finally pretty good but BV’s job security will depend on how he handles the OC position this offseason. If he makes the wrong hire again it will end up costing him his job.

It’s a big deal, no doubt, but while not as good as the 5 WRs who are out, all those guys behind them were 4 and 5 star recruits too(at least I think Thompson was a 5 star). They shouldn’t be expected to perform as well as the starters but it isn’t like we’re dropping down to G5 talent. Drake stoops was a 2 star preferred walk on and played better than those guys who have a ton more physical ability than he did. No one should expect them to be a top 50 offense under those conditions especially with a bad line and a young QB, but they certainly have enough to be better than 50-70 of the teams that are in front of them right now. There’s just no excuse at OU to ever have a bottom 5-10 offense out of 133 teams. This is an incompetence not seen since pre-1999.

I’m not sure what you can do about it right now, probably best just to hold it together and do whatever they can to make it work but fair or not, there has to be a change at OC at the end of the season barring a miracle resurgence over the last 6 games. Probably need to at least try to keep BB since we have one of the best OL classes we’ve signed since the 2000s coming in and you have to try to keep that together. Maybe Emmitt Jones as well but everyone else is on the block. Their defense is finally pretty good but BV’s job security will depend on how he handles the OC position this offseason. If he makes the wrong hire again it will end up costing him his job.

Hmmm, I seem to remember you didn't like my idea of making a change in OC already. . . . Glad you're on board! :)

I love your assessment of the back up situation we should be in. You're 100 percent correct that our backups should be competitive, but not necessarily up to par with the starters. Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, man they just refill and are just as good as the ones they replace.

I certainly hope we are competitive next season. If OU gets embarrassed by Texas again next season, Venables may be out of a job mid-season, which would be fine. Put the rest of the country on notice we've got a vacancy. I just feel that the way Riley swept the rug out from under us at the end of the season, all the big names were already announced at other schools then all of a sudden Venables came to light. Look, I have never felt so good about Oklahoma football when he was named and I watched the video of him on the private jet putting on the OU hat, boxing the words -- "boomer". I just really hope he's able to get it together.

We also need to keep in mind that all this is Brent's doing. He's made the say in all this. I love the guy and I certainly hope he does make the change and get someone that's proven in here from another program.

Hmmm, I seem to remember you didn't like my idea of making a change in OC already. . . . Glad you're on board! :)

I love your assessment of the back up situation we should be in. You're 100 percent correct that our backups should be competitive, but not necessarily up to par with the starters. Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, man they just refill and are just as good as the ones they replace.

I certainly hope we are competitive next season. If OU gets embarrassed by Texas again next season, Venables may be out of a job mid-season, which would be fine. Put the rest of the country on notice we've got a vacancy. I just feel that the way Riley swept the rug out from under us at the end of the season, all the big names were already announced at other schools then all of a sudden Venables came to light. Look, I have never felt so good about Oklahoma football when he was named and I watched the video of him on the private jet putting on the OU hat, boxing the words -- "boomer". I just really hope he's able to get it together.

We also need to keep in mind that all this is Brent's doing. He's made the say in all this. I love the guy and I certainly hope he does make the change and get someone that's proven in here from another program.

LOL, I believe I said that I thought based on Seth’s track record he was a pretty good OC but that he might have fallen into a situation too difficult to coach his way out of and that he might have to be sacrificed because of it without really having a chance to build anything on his own. Also that I didn’t think we should fire him during the season, which hasn’t changed, but that if things continued to look terrible with a healthy OL and potentially a few receivers back that BV would probably be forced to make a change at the end of the season. Well the line has been healthy for two games and Hawkins is struggling to even get the ball downfield and we got obliterated in the cotton bowl (a loss there doesn’t force change but complete futility on one side of the ball usually does). Would have to show some pretty dramatic improvement from here on out to save his job but I’m not sure this offense is capable of enough to help him after Saturday.

It’s a big deal, no doubt, but while not as good as the 5 WRs who are out, all those guys behind them were 4 and 5 star recruits too(at least I think Thompson was a 5 star). They shouldn’t be expected to perform as well as the starters but it isn’t like we’re dropping down to G5 talent. Drake stoops was a 2 star preferred walk on and played better than those guys who have a ton more physical ability than he did. No one should expect them to be a top 50 offense under those conditions especially with a bad line and a young QB, but they certainly have enough to be better than 50-70 of the teams that are in front of them right now. There’s just no excuse at OU to ever have a bottom 5-10 offense out of 133 teams. This is an incompetence not seen since pre-1999.

I’m not sure what you can do about it right now, probably best just to hold it together and do whatever they can to make it work but fair or not, there has to be a change at OC at the end of the season barring a miracle resurgence over the last 6 games. Probably need to at least try to keep BB since we have one of the best OL classes we’ve signed since the 2000s coming in and you have to try to keep that together. Maybe Emmitt Jones as well but everyone else is on the block. Their defense is finally pretty good but BV’s job security will depend on how he handles the OC position this offseason. If he makes the wrong hire again it will end up costing him his job.

I think we are saying ABOUT the same thing, but I still think losing one WR isn’t near as bad as losing 5… even with competitive depth.

It’s funny, because a defense wins championships. However, it’s even harder to win a single game with an elite defense and no offense (current situation) than it is to win with an elite offense and no defense (previous situation). Just goes to show that points must come from somewhere, especially in today’s high scoring games.

We definitely must keep BB, at all costs. Look at the OL he has put in the NFL. EJ is a master recruiter (of players that get injured, so it seems), so need to keep him too. Probably should keep DM while we are at it. None of these coaches need to be calling plays, though (at least to my knowledge).

Don’t hate me for saying this, but wouldn’t it be awesome if LR came back on the OC for BV? I know, it will never happen… but even Cale Gundy would be awesome (yes, his reading of a player’s tablet that was disrupting a meeting, but).

Well the line has been healthy for two games and Hawkins is struggling to even get the ball downfield and we got obliterated in the cotton bowl (a loss there doesn’t force change but complete futility on one side of the ball usually does).

Do you think Hawkins isn't throwing very much (well) due to the coaches telling him not to turn the ball over like JA kept doing? No turnovers and keep the job or start turning it over and JA (or CT) goes in? I could see that pressure (or sense of pressure) causing him to look at his first read, maybe second, and if nothing is there, to pull it down and run (especially with the struggling OL and some RBs not able to block). I just don't know if MH is doing everything he can. I'm not sure if JA is forcing too much or just not as good under pressure that everyone thought he would be.

SMH YOUR THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA. Yes you have players out but your Offense (EPA) rating should not be ranked 127th out of 134 teams. Here is a list https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team total offense.

I think we are saying ABOUT the same thing, but I still think losing one WR isn’t near as bad as losing 5… even with competitive depth.

It’s funny, because a defense wins championships. However, it’s even harder to win a single game with an elite defense and no offense (current situation) than it is to win with an elite offense and no defense (previous situation). Just goes to show that points must come from somewhere, especially in today’s high scoring games.

We definitely must keep BB, at all costs. Look at the OL he has put in the NFL. EJ is a master recruiter (of players that get injured, so it seems), so need to keep him too. Probably should keep DM while we are at it. None of these coaches need to be calling plays, though (at least to my knowledge).

Don’t hate me for saying this, but wouldn’t it be awesome if LR came back on the OC for BV? I know, it will never happen… but even Cale Gundy would be awesome (yes, his reading of a player’s tablet that was disrupting a meeting, but).

If LR wanted a redemption arc I'd be all about it but I bet even if he got fired, he'd fall up to the NFL a la Kingsbury.

For the record, Jones didn't recruit most of the Injured guys. Farooq, Anderson, and Gibson were in Gundy and Washington's classes. Anthony signed on the same day Jones joined the staff so I'm not sure if he did anything other than help close him. Burkes was a transfer last offseason so I guess that one does count but at least he seems like the least injured, so that helps! lol

I hate to say it but I think DeMarco has to at least be on the hot seat. He's mismanaged the RB room to an extent (If you've enjoyed watching DG go off in another uniform, go check out what Tawee Walker...who we wouldn't give a scholarship to...is doing at Wisconsin) and seems to have struggled with evals and development. The line is bad so that is definitely part of the problem but Barnes and Sawchuk have been extremely inconsistent for 3 seasons now. Kaleb Hicks seems like a bust. Dylan Smoothers bounced. We let Tawee Walker walk without giving him a scholarship (See above). Marcus Major never seemed to develop. Not really sure what Franklin is doing but seems decent on special teams. He hit on Eric Gray in the portal and helped develop him into an NFL caliber back so that's a hit. Rhamandre was a good Juco signing and while he signed before DeMarco...I'm sure he did have an affect on his development during the 2020 off season/season. And drumroll, Seth McGowan and MIkey Henderson robbed a dude and got kicked off the team, narrowly avoiding jail time. Jury is still out on Tatum but, while he's a freshman, he just hasn't looked ready to play with several fumbles (again, bad OL, but you still have to hold onto the ball). Xavier Robinson has looked good in limited action but way too early to tell.

So all of that to say, there are some bright spots...maybe some really bright spots with Tatum and Robinson, but not near enough to automatically say he's safe.

Yeah you're right, competitive depth kinda goes out the window when you lose most of your two deep lol.

Definitely have to have at least an average offense, with some kind of identity, paired with a great defense to win championships. Thought I do think it's a lot harder and takes longer to build the culture and roster required for a good defense (especially moving from the B12 style of play to the SEC). The last three times we've had a frustratingly bad offense with decent talent on the roster in 1998, 2005/2006, and 2013/2014 (which primarily struggled through the air), we were either a new OC and/or a new QB away from being very good the following season and having a heisman finalist at QB in season 2.

- 1998: Whole new staff in 1999 with Leach/Heupel and then Mangino/Heupel. Offense was instantly competitive and then great in year two.
- 2005/2006: This one is a little weird because of the whole Bomar debacle (I think he would've been much better than PT with Wilson in year two), but that gave way to promoting Kevin WIlson (2006) after Long left and Bradford (2007). Instant improvement on offense with Bradford and he won the heisman in year two.
- 2013/2014: Offense wasn't horrible but it was very inconsistent as was the QB play. Heupel gets fired and that gave way to Riley/Baker. Offense was good enough to propel us into the playoff in year one, Baker was a heisman finalist in year two, and won it in year three and almost overcame a horrendous defensive performance in double OT to go to the NC game.

If BV can keep doing what he's doing on defense, nail the next OC hire and the new OC can either help Hawkins or JA realize their potential or portal someone then things could improve very quickly when it seems like overhauling a defense is a much slower process. It's worked three times when the roster talent was solid and the defense was decent/good. On the other side, he could royally F it up again and be out of a job in a year....but that's showbiz baby!

Do you think Hawkins isn't throwing very much (well) due to the coaches telling him not to turn the ball over like JA kept doing? No turnovers and keep the job or start turning it over and JA (or CT) goes in? I could see that pressure (or sense of pressure) causing him to look at his first read, maybe second, and if nothing is there, to pull it down and run (especially with the struggling OL and some RBs not able to block). I just don't know if MH is doing everything he can. I'm not sure if JA is forcing too much or just not as good under pressure that everyone thought he would be.

Probably a little of all of that. I mean look at his first three games.

1)Thrown into OU's SEC debut as a true freshman down by 16 against the number 3 team in the country after watching the 5 star ahead of you turn it over three times and get benched. On national TV with Gameday there, etc.
2) First start in OU's first SEC road game which was widely panned as one of our few winnable games left on the schedule.
3) The RRS on a hostile neutral field in the biggest game of the year against the number 1 team in the country.

All with a rough OL and none of your best receivers. Not exactly an ideal way to get used to the speed of the game. I think the coaches are trying to simplify it as much as realistically possible while giving themselves a chance. It's just a tough situation all around.

I just heard a sports commentator on KHRH-2 Tulsa call OU's offense the worst in 25 years!

It will be interesting to see who has the worse won/loss record--OSU or OU?

I just heard a sports commentator on KHRH-2 Tulsa call OU's offense the worst in 25 years!

It will be interesting to see who has the worse won/loss record--OSU or OU?

It’s a race to the bottom lol.

Probably a little of all of that. I mean look at his first three games.

1)Thrown into OU's SEC debut as a true freshman down by 16 against the number 3 team in the country after watching the 5 star ahead of you turn it over three times and get benched. On national TV with Gameday there, etc.
2) First start in OU's first SEC road game which was widely panned as one of our few winnable games left on the schedule.
3) The RRS on a hostile neutral field in the biggest game of the year against the number 1 team in the country.

All with a rough OL and none of your best receivers. Not exactly an ideal way to get used to the speed of the game. I think the coaches are trying to simplify it as much as realistically possible while giving themselves a chance. It's just a tough situation all around.
I would agree with Cale Gundy’s analysis. Very bad footwork. Bailing too early from the pocket and not spotting receivers coming open. Poor recognition of defender positions. He just isn't ready. Needs lots of coaching.

Bailing too early from the pocket and not spotting receivers coming open. Poor recognition of defender positions. .

all of these things are directly related to having a very very bad oline

all of these things are directly related to having a very very bad oline

Also related to having very little experience with the game speed at the D1 level and not having receivers that can can consistently get open when/where theyre supposed to be. It’s all a really bad combination especially when in the first year of a new OC that is struggling to find his footing at this stop in his career.

it just sucks for both Hawkins and JA that 1) Lebby didn’t stay another year. 2) We didn’t win on a few of the better portal linemen we went after and 3) Everyone couldn’t stay relatively healthy from the start. Any combination of those change and I’m not sure the record is that different (might have split Tennessee and Texas) but it would definitely feel/look better.

As important as the qb is in the scheme of having a winning program is, OU needs to have a former qb as the OC. Jason Garrett with his experience would be a great add.

Also related to having very little experience with the game speed at the D1 level and not having receivers that can can consistently get open when/where theyre supposed to be. It’s all a really bad combination especially when in the first year of a new OC that is struggling to find his footing at this stop in his career.

it just sucks for both Hawkins and JA that 1) Lebby didn’t stay another year. 2) We didn’t win on a few of the better portal linemen we went after and 3) Everyone couldn’t stay relatively healthy from the start. Any combination of those change and I’m not sure the record is that different (might have split Tennessee and Texas) but it would definitely feel/look better.

I think OU beats Tennessee and keeps it close or beats Texas if we had those things in place. Hard to move the ball against tough defenses when the O Line is young and/or inexperienced, you have a brand new young QB with a brand new relatively inexperienced OC and all 5 of the starting WR's are injured.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. - Don Meredith.

Are there any issues with scalping tickets these days? I'm looking for 3 and figured we could just get them right before if I don't secure ahead of time.

7-5 season incoming…

This was too optimistic.

This was too optimistic.Yeah. This o-line is maybe the worst we've ever had. The first interception was on the QB. Everything else has been because the defense is in the backfield just about as the QB gets to ball.

We beat Auburn

Are there any issues with scalping tickets these days? I'm looking for 3 and figured we could just get them right before if I don't secure ahead of time.
You might be able to walk into the Maine game for free. Js

We beat AuburnAuburn's 2-4, unranked and pretty much equally as bad as OU this season.

You might be able to walk into the Maine game for free. Js
True. I went to a lot of games in the 90s for free.

You could say Auburn beat themselves with their late game interception. If not for that they probably beat OU.

You could say Auburn beat themselves with their late game interception. If not for that they probably beat OU.That's true too.

So if Alabama comes into Oklahoma as a top five team how many OU fans are selling their tickets to Alabama fans. What will be the percentage of Alabama fans in that stadium I'm going to start it off at 55%.

did not realize BV's buyout was $45MM. bro has got himself a good agent.

did not realize BV's buyout was $45MM. bro has got himself a good agent.

OU gave him an extension this past offseason, which I will never understand because who else was about to hire him based off of his first two years here???

OU gave him an extension this past offseason, which I will never understand because who else was about to hire him based off of his first two years here???

Yeah BV isn’t going anywhere even though he has pretty much run this program into the ground. We are now Nebraska never to be relevant again.

I know this as fact from radio discussions from Cale Gundy. The position couches are responsible for recruiting and retention of the players at their positions. So if anyone needs to be gone it's the o-line coach. If OU had Texas's o-line we wouldn't be having this discussion. And if either of our QBs played behind UT's o-line you'd probably be amazed how good they would be.

You might be able to walk into the Maine game for free. Js

That may be the literal truth. I went to the game today & I'll just say it's much worse than what I thought watching it up close in person. Had great seats & good vantage point and will say this is the worst product I've ever seen OU put out that I can remember. It's hard to remember the mid 90's with as much detail and being much younger then but we are in a really bad situation. This O-line isn't getting fixed in the portal or 1 year of recruiting. At this point I think it's damage control for the season & next.

That may be the literal truth. I went to the game today & I'll just say it's much worse than what I thought watching it up close in person. Had great seats & good vantage point and will say this is the worst product I've ever seen OU put out that I can remember. It's hard to remember the mid 90's with as much detail and being much younger then but we are in a really bad situation. This O-line isn't getting fixed in the portal or 1 year of recruiting. At this point I think it's damage control for the season & next.There were games in the 90s that you could go to the stadium and find tickets left on park benches, etc. I got in to many games for free.

This team is an embarrassment, the entire offensive staff has to go next year

Littrell just got the axe (and deservedly so at this point). JJF elevated to OC and Kevin Johns from staff to QB Coach. I have a difficult time seeing how this will make any difference at this point with the current personnel and the fact that those guys are the only others on staff they can turn to but we entered "I couldn't be any worse" territory on Saturday. What an absolute dumpster fire.

For reference: SC scored 27 points off turnovers + the failed fake punt on our own 30 yard line. On normal drives that started with a punt or a kickoff, SC scored 8 points. That is just insane. We almost would've been better off taking 3 knees, running the clock and punting every time we had the ball.

Been following our Sooners for decades.

Yes, I remember the Notre Dame loss that snapped Oklahoma's 47 game win streak (telling my age). What got my attention seeing my oldest brother and his best friend in tears. I wanted to reach out and comfort them; being a child, I didn't know how or what to think.

Who said the move to the SEC was going to be easy. If you awoke with a sour taste in your mouth; my cousins in Austin were blaming me for putting a jinx/heck on the Longhorns (For which I gladly took credit--LMAO). They are the most superstitious Catholics, always draped with gold crosses and each carrying a bottle of holy water (Reminded them of the First Commandment--strange gods before thee).

It's football people; not the end of the world. "Into each life, a little rain must fall . . . "

Go Oklahoma Sooners!

Littrell just got the axe (and deservedly so at this point). JJF elevated to OC and Kevin Johns from staff to QB Coach. I have a difficult time seeing how this will make any difference at this point with the current personnel and the fact that those guys are the only others on staff they can turn to but we entered "I couldn't be any worse" territory on Saturday. What an absolute dumpster fire.

For reference: SC scored 27 points off turnovers + the failed fake punt on our own 30 yard line. On normal drives that started with a punt or a kickoff, SC scored 8 points. That is just insane. We almost would've been better off taking 3 knees, running the clock and punting every time we had the ball.

I feel bad for Seth but it needed to happen but Seth will always be a Sooner! If the offensive line continues to play like **** then Bill needs to be gone next

I feel bad for Seth but it needed to happen but Seth will always be a Sooner! If the offensive line continues to play like **** then Bill needs to be gone next

Bill may have saved his job with his current recruiting class. It’s maybe the best o-line class OU has ever had. If Bendenbaugh leaves then those guys leave too. Otherwise, he’d be gone for sure with this line.

I feel bad for Seth but it needed to happen but Seth will always be a Sooner! If the offensive line continues to play like **** then Bill needs to be gone next

Agree on Seth. He was one of my favorite players on the 2000 team and think that under different circumstances he might have worked out but he just wasnt going to be the one to fix this dumpster fire.

Disagree on Bill for now as long as he closes the recruiting class.

For reference: SC scored 27 points off turnovers + the failed fake punt on our own 30 yard line. On normal drives that started with a punt or a kickoff, SC scored 8 points. That is just insane. We almost would've been better off taking 3 knees, running the clock and punting every time we had the ball.

Similar story with Tennessee- take away the turnovers and you have a close game. OU led Texas 3-0 at the beginning of the 2Q then bam two straight turnovers and with it all the momentum.

I had concerns before the season due to the following:
1. New OC with program ties but bad resume
2. Mostly new O-Line
3. New young QB
4. No standout RB/TE

WR was the only offensive position that returned starters and we know what has happened there. So to blame it all on Seth is premature IMO, but understand they couldn’t keep him especially after the last two awful performances

Bill may have saved his job with his current recruiting class. It’s maybe the best o-line class OU has ever had. If Bendenbaugh leaves then those guys leave too. Otherwise, he’d be gone for sure with this line.

Bedenbaugh has a very long history of success and developing linesmen. There is no way they should let him go.

Similar story with Tennessee- take away the turnovers and you have a close game. OU led Texas 3-0 at the beginning of the 2Q then bam two straight turnovers and with it all the momentum.

I had concerns before the season due to the following:
1. New OC with program ties but bad resume
2. Mostly new O-Line
3. New young QB
4. No standout RB/TE

WR was the only offensive position that returned starters and we know what has happened there. So to blame it all on Seth is premature IMO, but understand they couldn’t keep him especially after the last two awful performances

Seth actually had a pretty decent resume as an OC and I know they were trying to go with continuity but I agree that they should be going after the best and not just pretty decent.

he also definitely had a ton of terrible breaks here but there are still coordinators doing more with much less. There’s still enough talent on that roster that there’s no way they should be anywhere above the 80s in every offensive metric and especially not outside the top 100.

Sure, Seth had an ok resume, but OC jobs at top 10 power house programs shouldn’t just be handed out because of convenience and continuity. This lies on Brent. He essentially has a blank check to go out and get the best OC he can find, but chose a familiar offensive analyst and former player. Regardless of how it ended, Bob made the best hire in OU history by going outside of the former Sooner player/family formula, by hiring Lincoln.

Hindsight is 2020, but BV realistically could have hired Andy Kotelnicki from Kansas last year. He went to Penn State and turned that offense around. As it is now, BV has to make a home run hire, or else he will be gone after next year without winning at least 8 or 9 games.

Sure, Seth had an ok resume, but OC jobs at top 10 power house programs shouldn’t just be handed out because of convenience and continuity. This lies on Brent. He essentially has a blank check to go out and get the best OC he can find, but chose a familiar offensive analyst and former player. Regardless of how it ended, Bob made the best hire in OU history by going outside of the former Sooner player/family formula, by hiring Lincoln.

Hindsight is 2020, but BV realistically could have hired Andy Kotelnicki from Kansas last year. He went to Penn State and turned that offense around. As it is now, BV has to make a home run hire, or else he will be gone after next year without winning at least 8 or 9 games.

I do not know if Brent will be gone next year since Sooners gave Brent a contract extension last year and it would cost $45 million to buy him out, it was a stupid decision to give him a contract extension

I know this as fact from radio discussions from Cale Gundy. The position couches are responsible for recruiting and retention of the players at their positions. So if anyone needs to be gone it's the o-line coach. If OU had Texas's o-line we wouldn't be having this discussion. And if either of our QBs played behind UT's o-line you'd probably be amazed how good they would be.

So, fire the best coach on the staff (just look at his product in the NFL) because he had one single bad year (due to several circumstances)? That's a sure fire way NEVER to have a winning season again. BB would have his pick an any college or likely NFL OL coaching position he wanted.

Sure, Seth had an ok resume, but OC jobs at top 10 power house programs shouldn’t just be handed out because of convenience and continuity. This lies on Brent. He essentially has a blank check to go out and get the best OC he can find, but chose a familiar offensive analyst and former player. Regardless of how it ended, Bob made the best hire in OU history by going outside of the former Sooner player/family formula, by hiring Lincoln.

Hindsight is 2020, but BV realistically could have hired Andy Kotelnicki from Kansas last year. He went to Penn State and turned that offense around. As it is now, BV has to make a home run hire, or else he will be gone after next year without winning at least 8 or 9 games.

Muleshoe is on the hot seat (really hot) at USC... maybe hire him back as OC?

I think BV is coaching for his own job the rest of the season. If we're lucky we will beat Maine, every other game we'll be big underdogs and could be blowouts. Obviously things are far worse than could have ever been expected so I don't know that anyone is safe depending how the rest of these games go. This has been a failure of epic proportions. It's a huge buyout but it's not the biggest one out there. A lot of it may depend on how many recruits bail & who hits the portal after the season.

So, fire the best coach on the staff (just look at his product in the NFL) because he had one single bad year (due to several circumstances)? That's a sure fire way NEVER to have a winning season again. BB would have his pick an any college or likely NFL OL coaching position he wanted.I really don't agree with that being the way it's done. But it seems to usually be the way it's done.

I think BV is coaching for his own job the rest of the season. If we're lucky we will beat Maine, every other game we'll be big underdogs and could be blowouts. Obviously things are far worse than could have ever been expected so I don't know that anyone is safe depending how the rest of these games go. This has been a failure of epic proportions. It's a huge buyout but it's not the biggest one out there. A lot of it may depend on how many recruits bail & who hits the portal after the season.

Ole Miss loss to Kentucky, Maine is Maine, Missouri is highly overrated, Alabama can't win on the road, LSU will be tough. We got this BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

I think BV is coaching for his own job the rest of the season. If we're lucky we will beat Maine, every other game we'll be big underdogs and could be blowouts. Obviously things are far worse than could have ever been expected so I don't know that anyone is safe depending how the rest of these games go. This has been a failure of epic proportions. It's a huge buyout but it's not the biggest one out there. A lot of it may depend on how many recruits bail & who hits the portal after the season.

It's 44.8 MM. He will be here next year.

Ole Miss loss to Kentucky, Maine is Maine, Missouri is highly overrated, Alabama can't win on the road, LSU will be tough. We got this BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Love the optimism, but...

I usually don't dip into the sports threads, but how do you fire Seth then promote Joe Jon? If that was the case you should have kept Seth. I don't see any way this gets any better but would love to be proven wrong.

Bedenbaugh has a very long history of success and developing linesmen. There is no way they should let him go.

Well, he has produced the worst OU line in 30 years because of poor recruiting, evaluation, and development over the last several years. So, it's definitely on the table. But, again, he may have saved his job with the current recruiting class. Otherwise, I'd say he should have been the first one fired. His o-line is the primary reason OU has its worst team since the 1990s.


So, fire the best coach on the staff (just look at his product in the NFL) because he had one single bad year (due to several circumstances)? That's a sure fire way NEVER to have a winning season again. BB would have his pick an any college or likely NFL OL coaching position he wanted.

It isn't just one bad year though. The line being this bad is a culminating of 3 bad years. And, he would not pick any job he wants. You're overvaluing him.


I usually don't dip into the sports threads, but how do you fire Seth then promote Joe Jon? If that was the case you should have kept Seth. I don't see any way this gets any better but would love to be proven wrong.

100%. What is one thing JJF has ever accomplished? The guy keeps failing upward.

Seth was fired mid season probably to appease internal pressure to do something. JJF got promoted because he's there. Not any type of guarantee the job is his next year. We couldn't hire a top OC overnight in the middle of the season.

I usually don't dip into the sports threads, but how do you fire Seth then promote Joe Jon? If that was the case you should have kept Seth. I don't see any way this gets any better but would love to be proven wrong.

Promoting Joe Jon is a temporary move until after the season until Sooners find a new offensive coordinator unless the offense is much improved as the season goes on then Joe Jon will be the permanent offensive coordinator unless they decide to go with someone else

Littrell buyout reported to be 2.6 MM.

Muleshoe is on the hot seat (really hot) at USC... maybe hire him back as OC?

That ship has sailed — and sunk.

Promoting Joe Jon is a temporary move until after the season until Sooners find a new offensive coordinator unless the offense is much improved as the season goes on then Joe Jon will be the permanent offensive coordinator unless they decide to go with someone else

Yeah, I think everyone knows it’s temporary, but it still seems to be a questionable choice. I really don’t think Joe Jon has any chance of keeping the OC job… He’ll be lucky just to keep any job on the staff. The guy hasn’t shown anything. His position group lacks talent or discipline. We’ll see what he does, but I think he’s a huge part of the problem.

Muleshoe is on the hot seat (really hot) at USC... maybe hire him back as OC?

Muleshoe needs to not step foot back in OK. It will be interesting to see if he still retires by age 50 as he bragged before he went back to Cali

OU is looking much more clutch and southern today, imo.

Yeah win or lose this game, they at least don’t look completely rudderless.