Since the pandemic and especially after the move to downtown was announced. I couldn't help but notice that KWTV is on a sharp decline. Can anyone relate?

Also they seem to refuse that moore exists. These two stories show, they either don't mention it when footage is shown within moore city limits or mention another nearby city when it is clearly within moore to anyone that knows the city well

https://www.news9.com/story/668fb6330618c13967f189e8/dashcam-footage-showing-arrest-of-osu-running-back-ollie-gordon-released

Also they seem to refuse that moore exists. These two stories show, they either don't mention it when footage is shown within moore city limits or mention another nearby city when it is clearly within moore to anyone that knows the city well

https://www.news9.com/story/668fb6330618c13967f189e8/dashcam-footage-showing-arrest-of-osu-running-back-ollie-gordon-released

the weather team certainly acknowledges Moore’s existence

I guess that is why we have choices. I myself prefer channel 9 for the following reasons. They are the only locally owned news station. Their weather equipment is better that the National weather Service in Norman which means better storm tracking. Love the morning news crew.

I guess that is why we have choices. I myself prefer channel 9 for the following reasons. They are the only locally owned news station. Their weather equipment is better that the National weather Service in Norman which means better storm tracking. Love the morning news crew.

None of that means a thing if it's not used well. I have no use for seeing a live shot of Val's windshield wipers while he's in a field in nowhere Oklahoma. I need to know when the tornado will hit my house. But 9 is more interested in showing and talking to their chasers than showing me a map or radar or the storm tracker. And David is about the total opposite of Gary England.

I like Channel 9. Much prefer them to any other local news/weather choice. I think they do a good job of covering a large amount of Oklahoma. I think David Payne is a good and generally low key weather host. I think Lacey Swope is growing into the lead job, and I'm guessing she would be well respected as the head of the weather department if they go that direction.

I like 5, only helicopter in the air, all the time.

I only watch News9

I watch KWTV news only because they aspire to local coverage, not the repackaged, homogenized pablum the corporate news gods approve for dispensation to the masses via their corporate-owned echo chambers.

As for their health, I think serious issues are afoot. They spent untold $$ on the move downtown, but not even 18 months in, they're rebuilding their main news studio set and have already started paring staff as evidenced on the recent morning news shakeup. I think more will be heard of as time progresses.

I haven't watched a local newscast in probably five years or more because I just think any of them are any good. That being said, I do watch 9 during severe weather events.

I was at Beaver Lake in NW Arkansas over Memorial Day weekend when multiple tornados came through the Rogers area after midnight. Talk about a difference in local TV storm coverage. In OKC , you know exactly when and where the storm is. The storm information being provided in Rogers was about 10 minutes old, an eternity when a tornado is around. My hat is off to the KWTV weather team for their great coverage.

Depends on what your definition is of decline.

I don't think there are as many eyes tuning in at a specific time for a newscast compared to just a few years ago, especially under a certain age. So, in this case a ratings decline.

However, on the flip side, the social media and digital aspect has a lot of opportunity to grow. I see more of News 9, KOCO 5, and KFOR in my news feeds across all platforms in a given week about what is happening at the state and local level than I ever watch on traditional TV. My Apple TV has News9's app and also KOCO's Very Local. Both are great in getting the headlines of the day on demand. KFOR use to have an app, but it went away when they sold to Nexstar. With the digital side, all three stations can get all sorts of metrics on who is tuning in compared to linear TV. If you're a weather nerd, the local stations will do hour-long facebook live videos breaking down all of the data and discussion on what may or may not happen. The live-streaming aspect on smart devices has been great.

Local news, weather, and sports still matter, just the delivery model is evolving.

One of the biggest differences of local TV affiliates compared to the newspaper model is that they still give their content away for free and rely heavily on advertising and sponsorships. As long as there are heat/air companies, car dealerships, and injury lawyers, local news will be healthy. :tongue:

With the amount of money Griffin has spent on investing in news, as well as KFOR's new station, and KOCO on the helicopter and complete studio and newsroom remodel in recent years, local TV news seems to be doing okay.

I've noticed the decline. They must not employ an audio engineer anymore because there is on occasion no sound for a second or two when the camera focus switches to another anchor. Jim Gardener's audio feed from the helicopter sounds horrible and at an extremely low volume. I do find the audio from KOCO's Chase Rutledge's helicopter is outstanding.

The whole morning newscast and the 9:00am morning show has turned into a gab fest. No real news just vapid conversations.

The ousting of Hannah Scholl for becoming pregnant.

The exile of Storme Jones to the noon newscast which is good since Lisa Monohan rarely shows up on air for work.

Pushing the morning newscast to 4:30am from 4:00am.

The Coca-Cola "Porch" which is an excuse to not report on news and let local advertisers to promote upcoming events.

I feel sorry for Addie Crawford since she does the bulk of the field reporting.

Lacie Lowery's new mukbang segment which encourages the "large" anchor to become even more so.

I have now become a regular viewer of KOKH Fox 25 for better news reporting.

None of that means a thing if it's not used well. I have no use for seeing a live shot of Val's windshield wipers while he's in a field in nowhere Oklahoma. I need to know when the tornado will hit my house. But 9 is more interested in showing and talking to their chasers than showing me a map or radar or the storm tracker. And David is about the total opposite of Gary England.

It may not mean a thing to you, but I prefer Channel 9. As i said, that is why we have choices. Enjoy whichever channel makes you happy.

I like Channel 9. Much prefer them to any other local news/weather choice. I think they do a good job of covering a large amount of Oklahoma. I think David Payne is a good and generally low key weather host. I think Lacey Swope is growing into the lead job, and I'm guessing she would be well respected as the head of the weather department if they go that direction.

I agree. I have noticed that Lacey Swope seems to be headed for the top meteorologist job too. I think she is very good at weather forecasting.

All local news is terrible.

Anytime anything happens, and they actually report, it usually consists of "A shooting occurred in NW OKC (actually downtown on nw 4th or something). There is one victim and no suspects. We will keep you updated". No update ever happens. There is zero follow-up and accountability.

All local news is terrible.

Anytime anything happens, and they actually report, it usually consists of "A shooting occurred in NW OKC (actually downtown on nw 4th or something). There is one victim and no suspects. We will keep you updated". No update ever happens. There is zero follow-up and accountability.

I"m not sure what channels you watch, but that isn't my experience. I just watched the evening news on KFOR and there were updates on several previously reported stories.

saw a Logo for a "5 Star Media Group" on KWTV the other day. Is this the end for griffin commutations it showed griffin communications on their closing segment as of the end of the 6 am broadcast

During my time in OKC, I have preferred channel 4. While I like Mike and Emily, David on channel 9 is the most interesting to watch during a tornado. However, have started putting 4, 5, 9, and 25 all on my TV (kind of like pic in pic, but one in each quadrant) and turning the sound to whichever one looks the most promising at the time.

The rest of the news I typically find online.

saw a Logo for a "5 Star Media Group" on KWTV the other day. Is this the end for griffin commutations it showed griffin communications on their closing segment as of the end of the 6 am broadcast

I think 5 Star Media is a production company for commercials and infomercials.

I was at Beaver Lake in NW Arkansas over Memorial Day weekend when multiple tornados came through the Rogers area after midnight. Talk about a difference in local TV storm coverage. In OKC , you know exactly when and where the storm is. The storm information being provided in Rogers was about 10 minutes old, an eternity when a tornado is around. My hat is off to the KWTV weather team for their great coverage.

Grew up in OKC. Still work in the metro four days of the week.. The other three I am at our farm in McDonald County just fifteen minutes north of Bentonville. That night I had the same realization as you. The coverage was a joke. The following day it was even worse as there were some small, but still rotating storms coming in from the west. The weather guy actually told everyone to not get excited due to the wall cloud and that was only a small part of the tornado threat. He was more interested in keeping people calm than telling them the truth.

I agree. I have noticed that Lacey Swope seems to be headed for the top meteorologist job too. I think she is very good at weather forecasting.

They seem to be propping her up as David Payne's Replacement, Seeing Commercials showing her as The Oklahoma Weather Expert. (the title reserved for David Payne)

saw a Logo for a "5 Star Media Group" on KWTV the other day. Is this the end for griffin commutations it showed griffin communications on their closing segment as of the end of the 6 am broadcast
lol

They seem to be propping her up as David Payne's Replacement, Seeing Commercials showing her as The Oklahoma Weather Expert. (the title reserved for David Payne)

I noticed recently that every on air weather person is introduced as “Oklahoma Weather Expert” when their segment starts. Haven’t noticed if David Payne is now “Most Expert Oklahoma Weather Expert”.

I noticed recently that every on air weather person is introduced as “Oklahoma Weather Expert” when their segment starts. Haven’t noticed if David Payne is now “Most Expert Oklahoma Weather Expert”.

Don't give them any ideas.

They seem to be propping her up as David Payne's Replacement, Seeing Commercials showing her as The Oklahoma Weather Expert. (the title reserved for David Payne)

I would love this, and sooner than later.

You can start with the fact that all nine anchors listed on the News9 website are white. KOTV is 9 out of 11. Griffin overall 20 of 22, that's pretty shocking and might just make them a bit out of touch in a state that is only 62% white.

You can start with the fact that all nine anchors listed on the News9 website are white. KOTV is 9 out of 11. Griffin overall 20 of 22, that's pretty shocking and might just make them a bit out of touch in a state that is only 62% white.Wow, you are correct on that. Other than reporters, their entire staff of news anchors, weather people, and sports reporters is as white as Rainbo bread. I reviewed their bios and not a single individual (excluding reporters) states that they hold a tribal affiliation either.

Just pretty glaring in today's environment.

You can start with the fact that all nine anchors listed on the News9 website are white. KOTV is 9 out of 11. Griffin overall 20 of 22, that's pretty shocking and might just make them a bit out of touch in a state that is only 62% white.

So what does race have to do with weather forecasting? Perhaps they hired the most qualified people for the job? That is certainly what I want during tornado season. Perhaps we need to adjust the Thunder lineup to reflect demographics?

So what does race have to do with weather forecasting? Perhaps they hired the most qualified people for the job? That is certainly what I want during tornado season. Perhaps we need to adjust the Thunder lineup to reflect demographics?

So you are saying that the 40% of the population that isn't white isn't ever the more competent in meteorology? That when hiring 12 weather people 100% of the time the best candidate came from only 60% of the population? What are the odds?

And then you mentioned basketball, MOST of players for the Thunder not white (but some most certainly are white!) but 100% of the people that talk about the Thunder on News9/News on 6 are white? That no nonwhite people are competent to talk about SPORTS?

So you are saying that the 40% of the population that isn't white isn't ever the more competent in meteorology? That when hiring 12 weather people 100% of the time the best candidate came from only 60% of the population? What are the odds?

And then you mentioned basketball, MOST of players for the Thunder not white (but some most certainly are white!) but 100% of the people that talk about the Thunder on News9/News on 6 are white? That no nonwhite people are competent to talk about SPORTS?


No, I did not say that. In a large sample, all meteorologists in the US, you are absolutely right. All other things being equal, the most qualified should match demographics. In a small sample, meteorologists at Channel 9, it would be quite surprising for most qualified to match demographics.

Your basketball statement does not make sense. Must not of explained myself well. If you are going to require channel 9, a business, to hire meteorologists to match the demographics of the local area, shouldn’t you also require the Thunder, a business, to hire basketball players to match the local demographics? For that matter, require all businesses in the area to do so?

Wow, you are correct on that. Other than reporters, their entire staff of news anchors, weather people, and sports reporters is as white as Rainbo bread. I reviewed their bios and not a single individual (excluding reporters) states that they hold a tribal affiliation either.

Just pretty glaring in today's environment.

Cant confirm this but heard from a friend that knows the channel 9 weather department that there is one high ranking person that has osage affiliation . not going to list who exactly though.

No, I did not say that. In a large sample, all meteorologists in the US, you are absolutely right. All other things being equal, the most qualified should match demographics. In a small sample, meteorologists at Channel 9, it would be quite surprising for most qualified to match demographics.

Your basketball statement does not make sense. Must not of explained myself well. If you are going to require channel 9, a business, to hire meteorologists to match the demographics of the local area, shouldn’t you also require the Thunder, a business, to hire basketball players to match the local demographics? For that matter, require all businesses in the area to do so?

I'm not requiring them to do anything. I am saying this is symptomatic of real problems at Griffin.

Cant confirm this but heard from a friend that knows the channel 9 weather department that there is one high ranking person that has osage affiliation . not going to list who exactly though.

Why? Are they supposed to be ashamed of it?

I think one thing we are missing is the competence of the weather ladies. I am an old man, but I fully believe Lacey Swope can stand in front of the camera for 7 hours, direct live remotes, and make a clear call on a tornado emergency. All at the same time. I'm guessing she could manage the weather department, but don't have any real knowledge.

Sexism no longer looks like a real issue for news and weather in the media.

I think one thing we are missing is the competence of the weather ladies. I am an old man, but I fully believe Lacey Swope can stand in front of the camera for 7 hours, direct live remotes, and make a clear call on a tornado emergency. All at the same time. I'm guessing she could manage the weather department, but don't have any real knowledge.

Sexism no longer looks like a real issue for news and weather in the media.

During severe weather events, you can tell Lacey has extensive knowledge in weather by just listening to the back-and-forth banter between she and Payne. She is very intelligent.

Too me KOCO is the one that is on decline. I can't get it on the antenna most of the time either at home west metro or work near airport. Their sports is kind of lacking especially for the 6pm newscast.

Too me KOCO is the one that is on decline. I can't get it on the antenna most of the time either at home west metro or work near airport. Their sports is kind of lacking especially for the 6pm newscast.

Unlike most of the other TV stations in OKC, KOCO is on a VHF frequency. The antenna should be sensitive to VHF frequencies. Other than channel 13, the rest of the TV stations in OKC are on UHF. Probably a cheap $12 rabbit ears from Walmart will do to get channel 5 and 13.

If that doesn't work, then try the RCA 65+ flat antenna also from Walmart. I'm too far away from OKC to get all the high-powered stations with rabbit ears, but the RCA antenna works to get all of them for a total of 55 channels from OKC. But I'm still too far away to get the low powered OKC TV stations, so have to do without DEFY.

I would submit all of the television stations are in some degree of decline. From what I recall of 4, 5 an 9 of old, they ALL had more of a local character. From what I recall I seriously started to pay attention about 6th grade or 1970-71. And while. K F O R CHANNEL 4 today has some nice features such as "Pay it forward" that feature does not always resonate. Likewise it amazes me how after "Looking out for you" doesn't solve anything, says they will follow up yet rarely seem to. (And yes I have been featured on "Is this A Great State Or What?, Twice.) KFOR Is who I regularly watch.

K O C O 5 is decent but I get tired of Brent Helmsly's woke prevarications thinly cloked as editorials.

And as you noted KWTV 9 is just "Meh"

The newspaper situation is worse. Geez we used to have a great OKLAHOMAN and Daily OKC Times, and the totally different but good Journal. Since the Oklahoma has been bounced around post Gaylord, each sucessive hand off pushes it a bit further into the category of bird cage fodder. Save Lackmeyer, who stays focused on timely local items.

Take a look at some of the Journal offerings from the 60's. Gory, hard hitting actual pictures of car accidents and crime victims. . . no worries about offending someone's pronouns there! News that was NEWS. Something we need today.

Polite? Not so much, but then the News reality never was.

Times change. Things change.

When you were in 6th grade in 1970, you were probably 12 years old and the world was big and new. There were 3 daily papers, and 3 TV stations (4,5 and 9).

Now, 54 years later, you are mid-60s and the world is memories. Newspapers are a dead delivery system, so they are functionally obsolete. Free, Over-The-Air TV has over 55 channels. Cable has hundreds. And streaming is limitless audio, video and reading. Big world out there.

Channel 9 is still Oklahoma owned and doing a pretty good job of staying local

I'm not requiring them to do anything. I am saying this is symptomatic of real problems at Griffin.

Becoming an accredited Meteorologist by the American Meteorological Society requires rigorous coursework including calculus and physics. I would think the TV stations in OKC demand some of the highest qualifications considering the potential life or death situations faced annually in OK. It may be there are simply not accredited, competent and qualified meteorologists of color available for hire that are not being sought by every other TV station in the country. Just because there should be someone of color in a highly professional role doesn't mean POCs are available.

Times change. Things change.

When you were in 6th grade in 1970, you were probably 12 years old and the world was big and new. There were 3 daily papers, and 3 TV stations (4,5 and 9).

Now, 54 years later, you are mid-60s and the world is memories. Newspapers are a dead delivery system, so they are functionally obsolete. Free, Over-The-Air TV has over 55 channels. Cable has hundreds. And streaming is limitless audio, video and reading. Big world out there.

Channel 9 is still Oklahoma owned and doing a pretty good job of staying local

There were 4 TV stations unless you didn't want to count channel 13.

Besides KWTV, Griffin Media, based in Oklahoma City, also owns KOTV-6 in Tulsa. Its transmitter tower is one of the tallest in Oklahoma at 1825 ft.

Griffin Media also owns KSBI-52 in Oklahoma City and KQCW-19 in Tulsa. Also owned are 5 Tulsa radio stations. Hopefully, Griffin Media will stay local by not getting bought out. Huge companies have gobbled up too much of the various media as it is.

There were 4 TV stations unless you didn't want to count channel 13.

Besides KWTV, Griffin Media, based in Oklahoma City, also owns KOTV-6 in Tulsa. Its transmitter tower is one of the tallest in Oklahoma at 1825 ft.

Griffin Media also owns KSBI-52 in Oklahoma City and KQCW-19 in Tulsa. Also owned are 5 Tulsa radio stations. Hopefully, Griffin Media will stay local by not getting bought out. Huge companies have gobbled up too much of the various media as it is.

Nobody counted channel 13. It didn't even have Sesame Street when I was a kid. KLPR was on channel 14 for a couple years in the late 1960s, but that was Country music stuff, IIRC.

Id rarher watch Mike Morgan than Royal Payne

Something is definitely going on at news 9 and it's pretty major. News 9 has just recently sold there Bell 407 helicopter and replaced it with a Bell 505. For those not up to par with coppers that's like trading a Ferrari for a Tesla. News 9 really did have the fastest helicopter in the state with there 407 cruising around 155mph the bell 505 is one of the slowest news helicopters you can own with a cruising speed of 115mph not to mention the power loss. It's definitely sad times for the OKC tv market. Having the best chopper you can for severe weather weather coverage does indeed save lives and I can't believe the management at Griffin communication would make this change. Expected live chopper shots from News 9 during severe weather coverage and high speed police chases to be way worse now. I really can't wait to see how the promotion team tries to spin this one. Don't buy it this was a horrible decision by news 9 and has to be money related.

Something is definitely going on at news 9 and it's pretty major. News 9 has just recently sold there Bell 407 helicopter and replaced it with a Bell 505. For those not up to par with coppers that's like trading a Ferrari for a Tesla. News 9 really did have the fastest helicopter in the state with there 407 cruising around 155mph the bell 505 is one of the slowest news helicopters you can own with a cruising speed of 115mph not to mention the power loss. It's definitely sad times for the OKC tv market. Having the best chopper you can for severe weather weather coverage does indeed save lives and I can't believe the management at Griffin communication would make this change. Expected live chopper shots from News 9 during severe weather coverage and high speed police chases to be way worse now. I really can't wait to see how the promotion team tries to spin this one. Don't buy it this was a horrible decision by news 9 and has to be money related.

I love the helicopter reporting, but I don't think it will be a noticeable difference for the average person watching. I'm guessing response time to anything in the metro might be 5 minutes slower to begin coverage. After that , I can't imagine anything on the ground is going to outrun a helicopter. Storm coverage has become almost exclusively the weather anchor in studio shifting from radar to different storm chasers.

And if it saves over $100,000 per year (I have no real knowledge of the number, but would think it has to be at least that much to make it worthwhile), I would have to think it helps morale, rather than hurts.

For those not up to par with coppers that's like trading a Ferrari for a Tesla. .

FXX Evo: Ferrari's fastest vehicle to date, with a top speed of over 249 mph. It can go from 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds.

2021 Tesla Model S Plaid 200 MPH 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds ..

Something is definitely going on at news 9 and it's pretty major. News 9 has just recently sold there Bell 407 helicopter and replaced it with a Bell 505. For those not up to par with coppers that's like trading a Ferrari for a Tesla. News 9 really did have the fastest helicopter in the state with there 407 cruising around 155mph the bell 505 is one of the slowest news helicopters you can own with a cruising speed of 115mph not to mention the power loss. It's definitely sad times for the OKC tv market. Having the best chopper you can for severe weather weather coverage does indeed save lives and I can't believe the management at Griffin communication would make this change. Expected live chopper shots from News 9 during severe weather coverage and high speed police chases to be way worse now. I really can't wait to see how the promotion team tries to spin this one. Don't buy it this was a horrible decision by news 9 and has to be money related.

That explains the new noise the past few months when they fly over our house (near NW 36th/May, way more often and way earlier than I'd like) and hover over whatever traffic f***up is southeast of us that happens every couple of months. A lot choppier, less smooth, and louder than it had been.

As a consumer, I watch News 9 and am happy with it. I do flip around to the other stations as well but like 9 the best. The beauty of it is there is a different station for everyone's taste.

FXX Evo: Ferrari's fastest vehicle to date, with a top speed of over 249 mph. It can go from 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds.

2021 Tesla Model S Plaid 200 MPH 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds ..

I was also confused by the example, lol. My first thought was okay so they got something faster and quieter.

In regards to the helicopter, I think it is impressive that all three stations have their own and fly them often. Severe weather coverage as many know is supreme in OKC. I am guessing the decision was made to cut fuel costs or similar in swapping out the equipment.

I believe Denver and Dallas TV markets only have one helicopter that is shared among all the stations for feeds? Someone with more knowledge, let me know if that is incorrect.

It's interesting that KWTV-9 still hasn't upgraded to ATSC 3.0. Neither has its sister station KOTV-6 Tulsa. Both are CBS affiliates. So, I wonder if it has to do with CBS not doing much to encourage its affiliates to upgrade to ATSC 3.0. I think it's important for TV stations to adopt to ATSC 3.0. Among other things, the new technology enables signals to get out somewhat further under the same power as ATSC 1.0. OTA TV needs to improve its reception outreach and quality to better compete with online wireless.

Unlike CBS, NBC is doing the most for its ATSC 3.0 adoptees. NBC enabled KFOR to broadcast the Olympics and other programs in 1080p along with HDR for those who had the tuner for it. The four other ATSC 3.0 stations in OKC aren't yet offering HDR to go with 1080p.

Storme has been let go now also.

It's interesting that KWTV-9 still hasn't upgraded to ATSC 3.0. Neither has its sister station KOTV-6 Tulsa. Both are CBS affiliates. So, I wonder if it has to do with CBS not doing much to encourage its affiliates to upgrade to ATSC 3.0. I think it's important for TV stations to adopt to ATSC 3.0. Among other things, the new technology enables signals to get out somewhat further under the same power as ATSC 1.0. OTA TV needs to improve its reception outreach and quality to better compete with online wireless.

Unlike CBS, NBC is doing the most for its ATSC 3.0 adoptees. NBC enabled KFOR to broadcast the Olympics and other programs in 1080p along with HDR for those who had the tuner for it. The four other ATSC 3.0 stations in OKC aren't yet offering HDR to go with 1080p.

If you were to walk into Best Buy, Costco, etc...don't most if not 95 percent of TV's still come standard with ATSC 1.0 tuners for Over-The-Air?

In other words, until it is mandated to put the ATSC 3.0 tuners into all TV's being sold like was done with the analog to digital conversion, what would be the benefit for a station like KWTV to upgrade if most of their viewers are stuck with 1.0 tuners?

Storme has been let go now also.
Seriously? That’s a shocker. He’s got a bright future ahead of him. I can’t believe they would let that kind of young talent get away. He won’t be unemployed long. Was it cost cutting or is it something else?

Storme Jones released a statement on his personal facebook page:

"News9 and I had some fundamental differences on values this week. I asked to be released from my contract and they agreed."

You can read the full statement: https://www.facebook.com/storme.jones

If you were to walk into Best Buy, Costco, etc...don't most if not 95 percent of TV's still come standard with ATSC 1.0 tuners for Over-The-Air?

In other words, until it is mandated to put the ATSC 3.0 tuners into all TV's being sold like was done with the analog to digital conversion, what would be the benefit for a station like KWTV to upgrade if most of their viewers are stuck with 1.0 tuners?

Most likely 100%, not 95%.

So, what do you think has been the benefit of KOCO, KFOR, KOKH, KOCB and KAUT to upgrade to ATSC 3.0? They were among the first stations in the country to do it about 4 years ago. After all, NBC offering its ATSC 3.0 affiliates coverage of the Olympics in 1080p and HDR was, while there, not a dramatic looking step up in video quality.

ATSC 3.0 is going through a lot of problems. One large one was when a tech company that had some patents (but wasn't part of the consortium pooling their ATSC 3 patents) sued LG and won a 1.6 million infringement lawsuit. LG dropped ATSC 3.0 tuners on most of their product line. Other manufacturers are likely looking over their shoulders.

Then there is the DRM (Digital Rights Management) encryption issue. In many markets (OKC isn't one...yet) the local stations are activating encryption and many tuners which aren't properly "certified" (a process reported to cost six-figures) can't pick up the local stations. The FCC has been taking a hands-off approach to "let the marketplace work", but they have been receiving a lot of blow-back from citizens concerned about the signals on public airwaves being encrypted.

Because of the encryption, it appears that many/most devices will require an internet connection to at LEAST get a decryption authorization "bump" when initially installed by the consumer.

There are many forces in play here....broadcasters, patent holders (and the patent pool), manufacturers, the public, the government....and things are becoming messier as time goes on. I've been following several guys on the 'net that are solid reporters on the situation without a particular axe to grind. One just posted this today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNZMLMKE61A

Another blogger who's been covering this is Lon TV (who also covers many other techie topics).

https://www.youtube.com/@LonSeidman/videos

Perhaps this is too much of a veer from KWTV and should be it's own thread? shrug.

Thank you. Then I wouldn't be surprised that KWTV and other Oklahoma TV stations are waiting for the legal issues to settle down over ATSC 3.0 before adopting it. I think LG's loss from its lawsuit is still under appeal.

If one is using HDHomerun Flex 4k, it cannot decode the ATSC 3.0 signals of KOCO and KFOR, due to their use of DRM. Other brand boxes are certified to decode it.

So many people are willing to pay for streaming, including for local OTA. I won't be surprised if broadcasters will want to use ATSC 3.0 to offer pay football and other sports in 4k and HDR. Who wants to pay to watch OU play TX in 4k and HDR?