Still a bust?! Lol

My house got about an inch of rain in 30 minutes earlier this evening. Just north of Norman. It's insane! Still raining, as well. Hasn't stopped, just not severe rain.

Is OKC metro done with tornados since leading edge is out East?

Yes

Still a bust?! Lol

My house got about an inch of rain in 30 minutes earlier this evening. Just north of Norman. It's insane! Still raining, as well. Hasn't stopped, just not severe rain.

i think the only one saying that was a troll. that is why the ignore feature is great on here.

i am in norman and got 1.2 inches in that probably same 30 minutes.

i think the only one saying that was a troll. that is why the ignore feature is great on here.

i am in norman and got 1.2 inches in that probably same 30 minutes.

I hope they were trolling.

But the people of Sulphur and Holdenville and Spaulding would definitely say it wasn't a bust.

I would say the Moderate Risk will easily end up verifying, really bad situation unfolding across southern/eastern Oklahoma right now.

Severe weather is a big part of our identity and culture. We have the NWS and the best school of meteorology. Two Twister movies have been filmed and set here. When I lived in California there were two things people knew about Oklahoma: OU football and tornadoes.

Then you have the business model of all the local news stations almost completely driven by weather coverage (they will all freely admit that).

We just have so many resources devoted to severe weather, and that apparatus is increasingly looking for things to do. At least from the TV perspective, that's a formula for disproportionate hype.

agree with the local TV spin but they're not the ones issuing the guidance - it's the NWS that hasn't gotten things right recently

unlike the local media yahoos though, I have confidence the NWS professionals will actual have a retrospective to see if there's anywhere to improve.

But they weren't wrong in this case. This was a major, major tornado outbreak. In what world is over 20 tornados not a PDS? None. So they were right. People just called it a strikeout before it was even in the on-deck circle. And it's coming through with a home run. Sulphur is literally on fire, right now.

So those who predicted a make outbreak, were dead-on. Anyone bashing them was dead wrong.

But they weren't wrong in this case. This was a major, major tornado outbreak. In what world is over 20 tornados not a PDS? None. So they were right. People just called it a strikeout before it was even in the on-deck circle. And it's coming through with a home run. Sulphur is literally on fire, right now.

So those who predicted a make outbreak, were dead-on. Anyone bashing them was dead wrong.

It’s honestly a blessing they weren’t *more* right about everything before dark. In hindsight it feels like the action prior to sundown was just the calm before the actual storm, even with the first tornado warning coming almost 12 hours before stuff really went bonkers.

apparently the homeland in Marietta was completely destroyed. the hospital and dollar tree distribution center also had damage

But they weren't wrong in this case. This was a major, major tornado outbreak. In what world is over 20 tornados not a PDS? None. So they were right. People just called it a strikeout before it was even in the on-deck circle. And it's coming through with a home run. Sulphur is literally on fire, right now.

So those who predicted a make outbreak, were dead-on. Anyone bashing them was dead wrong.

Do you understand the term PDS tornado? There were none of those yesterday. All the tornadoes that touched down were of the smaller size. There were no PDS tornadoes yesterday.

I’m calling this a partial bust because storms failed to initiate in their PDS tornado watch area over the majority of the area. There were supercells but they failed to organize any type of real tornado threat. If they just issued a standard tornado watch, I would say not a bust; however, that PDS tornado watch is a big darn deal. Not seeing anything pop up in that window is going to set up a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario. Remember, that’s already happened once before this season.

The rest of the day went as forecast. You had a major line of storms develop that had all major types of severe weather associated with it.

Do you understand the term PDS tornado? There were none of those yesterday. All the tornadoes that touched down were of the smaller size. There were no PDS tornadoes yesterday.

I’m calling this a partial bust because storms failed to initiate in their PDS tornado watch area over the majority of the area. There were supercells but they failed to organize any type of real tornado threat. If they just issued a standard tornado watch, I would say not a bust; however, that PDS tornado watch is a big darn deal. Not seeing anything pop up in that window is going to set up a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario. Remember, that’s already happened once before this season.

The rest of the day went as forecast. You had a major line of storms develop that had all major types of severe weather associated with it.

Im not sure that’s the case. There was at least one tornado that likely fit that description near Holdenville. It was on the ground for 30 minutes to an hour, looked to be huge and based on initial reports, sounded like something over an EF-3. It just fortunately didn’t hit a population center. The Sulfur tornado may have fit into that category as well damage wise, but it wasn’t on the ground as long.

Edit: the Sulphur tornado absolutely fit that description

What is today looking like for OKC?

It was always going to be a messy setup with the second wave expected to be the worse. Was the first PDS a bust, probably? I am not sure that holdenville storm occurred in that original PDS watch or not. NWS thought the storms ahead of the dryline would end up being being even worse than the second wave. Luckily they were wrong

What is today looking like for OKC?

Today will be fine, no rain and skies will gradually clear throughout the day.

The tornado that hit Sulphur was pretty big. Downtown is likely a total loss. From the videos and pics coming out it was devastating. It was also on the ground for quite a bit.

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Just devastating. I don’t know how they recover from this.

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Just devastating. I don’t know how they recover from this.

Wonder if they think the PDS watch was a bust?

Wonder if they think the PDS watch was a bust?

From the NOAA glossary: "Particularly Dangerous Situation (PDS) wording is used in rare situations when long-lived, strong and violent tornadoes are possible. This enhanced wording may also accompany severe thunderstorm watches for intense convective wind storms"

https://forecast.weather.gov/glossary.php?word=WATCH

From the NOAA glossary: "Particularly Dangerous Situation (PDS) wording is used in rare situations when long-lived, strong and violent tornadoes are possible. This enhanced wording may also accompany severe thunderstorm watches for intense convective wind storms"

https://forecast.weather.gov/glossary.php?word=WATCH

Yes…seems like the Sulfur and Holdenville tornados both fit that description which was my response to someone on the previous page who said there were no PDS tornados yesterday and that the PDS watch was a bust.

Is there an estimate yet of how many tornadoes touched down across the state?

Look, people getting twisted off because I said yesterday was a partial bust. It was! From the period of 12-7pm, the storms did not develop like forecasted/modeled. Something was keeping them from firing and/or maintaining in the huge area laid out with PDS tornado watch. That’s twice this spring that a big severe weather event was forecasted and it just didn’t pop. Also, there were no PDS tornadoes in the region I just described. Thats to what I was referring when I said “no PDS tornadoes last night.”

If you’ll also note, I said the event went as forecast after hours with the line of storms. I don’t know if that tornado last night was a PDS tornado. Don’t think I’ve seen that designation for it. Doesn’t matter though. It was a damaging tornado and clearly a dangerous situation for those involved.

Seen the damage now out of Sulphur. Feel bad for those folks. Going to take a while to recover given the socioeconomic status of that area.

It’s looking like an unsettled pattern ahead with storm chances Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Tuesday looks more like a south central ok event, Wednesday looks like NW ok, and Thursday looks like it’ll be further to the southeast. There will be a possibility of a fair amount of instability, but there will be caps to overcome on each day. The upper level jet really seems to be out of place for these days, so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Look, people getting twisted off because I said yesterday was a partial bust. It was! From the period of 12-7pm, the storms did not develop like forecasted/modeled. Something was keeping them from firing and/or maintaining in the huge area laid out with PDS tornado watch. That’s twice this spring that a big severe weather event was forecasted and it just didn’t pop. Also, there were no PDS tornadoes in the region I just described. Thats to what I was referring when I said “no PDS tornadoes last night.”

If you’ll also note, I said the event went as forecast after hours with the line of storms. I don’t know if that tornado last night was a PDS tornado. Don’t think I’ve seen that designation for it. Doesn’t matter though. It was a damaging tornado and clearly a dangerous situation for those involved.

You could always just say “by bust, I meant it was going to bust like pop off.”

Seen the damage now out of Sulphur. Feel bad for those folks. Going to take a while to recover given the socioeconomic status of that area...
The damage is painful to see, but one thing I will say is that Sulphur is likely better positioned for recovery than most small towns in Oklahoma, owing to the proximity of the Chickasaw National Recreation Area, combined with it being a major center of the Chickasaw Nation’s tourism efforts.

The damage is painful to see, but one thing I will say is that Sulfur is likely better positioned for recovery than most small towns in Oklahoma, owing to the proximity of the Chickasaw National Recreation Area, combined with it being a major center of the Chickasaw Nation’s tourism efforts.

And you can see in the drone footage that the historic Artesian Hotel (owned/renovated/operated by the Chickasaws) looks like it was spared.

Is there an estimate yet of how many tornadoes touched down across the state?

We won't know the number of confirmed tornadoes for at least a couple days.

I think BECAUSE of PDS warning, there were a lot of lives saved in Sulphur. Sure, it turned out to be an inconvenience for a majority of the region. I live up in northwest Oklahoma City. I had my storm shelter, ready to go to in a moments notice. I kept an eye on the weather all day, and went about my business. I’ll do the same thing if it happens again, and I’ll feel the same way if it’s a "bust" again......at least I was ready.

Bust or just overload? Hear me out. The tv coverage was wall-to-wall starting at 10:30 am. Many of those hours there wasn't even a tornado warning just Thunderstorm warnings. I even think at one point there was only 1 severe thunderstorm warning yet they were still wall-to wall. Did people start to get burned out by 8pm with all the coverage when the true event started to happen. Was it a Bust for the western half of the state? I mean when your wall to wall for hours and no real tornado on the ground from the thousand of chasers out there is it a bust or just overload.

Bust or just overload? Hear me out. The tv coverage was wall-to-wall starting at 10:30 am. Many of those hours there wasn't even a tornado warning just Thunderstorm warnings. I even think at one point there was only 1 severe thunderstorm warning yet they were still wall-to wall. Did people start to get burned out by 8pm with all the coverage when the true event started to happen. Was it a Bust for the western half of the state? I mean when your wall to wall for hours and no real tornado on the ground from the thousand of chasers out there is it a bust or just overload.

I see what you're saying and I can't say I disagree. The first half of the day did not unfold at all how the masses thought it would. There was a second PDS tornado watch issued for the afternoon that went until 3AM.

But wall-to-wall coverage for mere thunderstorms keeps vulnerable viewers riled up and stressed. There's no reason to break into programming when there's just general thunderstorms. Really there was no reason to break in until that line from Texas showed up close to the southwest sides of the metro because that's when it started getting nasty. Then of course those storms along 35 bubbling up way ahead of the main line which brought the outbreak.

Here's a really good write-up about PDS Watches:

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/dean/pdswatch.pdf

I had the tv on all day yesterday and would agree with most of the above. It feels like now the smallest thunderstorm is grounds for wall to wall coverage and anchors just looking for any “spin, rotation, or dangling clouds” twenty years ago they’d beep in during commercials to update on where severe thunderstorms were and only broke into programming when a tornado was imminent.

I’ve definitely started seeing more and more sentiments of “I don’t even get out of bed for less than an F2 or 100mph winds” but I feel like that’s where we’re heading. When every storm in a tv Mets eyes is catastrophic then the real dangerous storms don’t get the concern warranted.

The damage is painful to see, but one thing I will say is that Sulphur is likely better positioned for recovery than most small towns in Oklahoma, owing to the proximity of the Chickasaw National Recreation Area, combined with it being a major center of the Chickasaw Nation’s tourism efforts.

That was my thought as well. As much as it sucks regardless, between insurance and Chickasaw funding/support, this might actually provide an opportunity for the town to rebuild and enhance itself even more from a tourism standpoint. Just a crappy way to get there.

If this had been somewhere with less going for it, there’s a good chance the downtown area wouldn’t be rebuilt and it would just wither away. Pitcher probably isn’t a great example because of everything it already had working against it (a ton) but a tornado through its downtown was the straw that finally broke the camel’s back for that town.

Can News 9 segment their programming based on location? Like, the storms in Leedey. Could they have solely showed weather in western Oklahoma, and left regular programming in OKC and in Eastern Oklahoma?

I don't know how that works, or the cost-benefits of it.

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Just devastating. I don’t know how they recover from this.

That is awful. Its amazing there weren't any fatalities there.

I just heard that search and rescue is underway in holdenville. Guess there are 20’ish people still missing.

A few storms firing west of the metro.

Where did those storms come from?

Severe storm south of El Reno.

Interesting. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is the pattern all week. Would be nice to get some good rain makers out of these.

Interesting. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is the pattern all week. Would be nice to get some good rain makers out of these.

We’ve had almost a half inch of rain, plus a little bit of pea-size hail here at NW Highway & Sara Road.

And you can see in the drone footage that the historic Artesian Hotel (owned/renovated/operated by the Chickasaws) looks like it was spared.
I assume you understand that the current Artesian Hotel was built in 2010 and was designed to resemble the original Artesian which was destroyed by fire in 1962. It was not a renovation of an existing hotel.

Warm and windy through Wednesday before the next storm moves in late Wednesday. Best storm chances are Thursday and early Friday. Severe weather possible, will know more with the Monday model runs.

Do you understand the term PDS tornado? There were none of those yesterday. All the tornadoes that touched down were of the smaller size. There were no PDS tornadoes yesterday.

I’m calling this a partial bust because storms failed to initiate in their PDS tornado watch area over the majority of the area. There were supercells but they failed to organize any type of real tornado threat. If they just issued a standard tornado watch, I would say not a bust; however, that PDS tornado watch is a big darn deal. Not seeing anything pop up in that window is going to set up a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario. Remember, that’s already happened once before this season.

The rest of the day went as forecast. You had a major line of storms develop that had all major types of severe weather associated with it.

I'm sorry, but what?

The Sulphur tornado leveled the entire downtown with a high-end EF-3 tornado that tracked for 20 miles. There were at least three long-track tornadoes. I suspect they will "find" EF-4 damage. There were at least 27 tornadoes yesterday. Some of them were moving as fast as 50 mph. Four people were killed and dozens of others were injured.

Not sure I grasp your argument but yesterday ended up being a high-end tornado outbreak unlike we've seen in Oklahoma in years.

Yes, it was a particularly dangerous situation.

That is awful. Its amazing there weren't any fatalities there.

There has been one fatality in Sulphur i heard

I'm sorry, but what?

The Sulphur tornado leveled the entire downtown with a high-end EF-3 tornado that tracked for 20 miles. There were at least three long-track tornadoes. I suspect they will "find" EF-4 damage. There were at least 27 tornadoes yesterday. Some of them were moving as fast as 50 mph. Four people were killed and dozens of others were injured.

Not sure I grasp your argument but yesterday ended up being a high-end tornado outbreak unlike we've seen in Oklahoma in years.

Yes, it was a particularly dangerous situation.

I don't think the second watched the issued for the area east of I-35 was a PDS tornado watch though like the first one in Western Oklahoma that did have any PDS Tornadoes. I think that is the issue some are having.

I don't think the second watched the issued for the area east of I-35 was a PDS tornado watch though like the first one in Western Oklahoma that did have any PDS Tornadoes. I think that is the issue some are having.

Interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. Now that you mention it, I recall Damon Lane saying on air, "this is a new tornado watch, but not a PDS watch."

The issue that I was responding to was the suggestion that issuing a PDS watch was inappropriate, implying a bust in the forecast.

It just came a bit later, but we did get a major tornado outbreak with multiple violent tornados. It was a particularly dangerous situation.

Interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. Now that you mention it, I recall Damon Lane saying on air, "this is a new tornado watch, but not a PDS watch."

The issue that I was responding to was the suggestion that issuing a PDS watch was inappropriate, implying a bust in the forecast.

It just came a bit later, but we did get a major tornado outbreak with multiple violent tornados. It was a particularly dangerous situation.

Yeah I feel like saying the watch was a bust because it expired an hour or two before the storms hit or they were off by a few counties to the west is really splitting hairs. The central part of the state got blasted by some pretty huge tornados.

There has been one fatality in Sulphur i heard

Sad to hear and yet still after seeing the damage its a miracle there were not more fatalities from this storm. Hopefully those injured all recover and heal quickly.

Yeah I feel like saying the watch was a bust because it expired an hour or two before the storms hit or they were off by a few counties to the west is really splitting hairs. The central part of the state got blasted by some pretty huge tornados.

For this event? Sure I agree with that. I think the issue is future non-PDS watches. Maybe there shouldn't even be PDS watches because you want the public taking those watches seriously also. Technically speaking, that first wave was an entirely different mesoscale discussion. That watch was issued specially to cover the cells that fired way ahead of the dryline to cover the possibility of multiple strong long tracked tornados.

Tornado in Marietta upgraded to an EF-4

Tornado in Marietta upgraded to an EF-4

There is a massive Dollar Tree distribution center that was destroyed.

They must employ several hundred people there, which is a big deal for such a small community.

The only grocery store in the county was also completely destroyed.

The only grocery store in the county was also completely destroyed.

This shows the destroyed Homeland with the Dollar Tree warehouse behind:

HTTP://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/marrietta1.jpg

I sat out a tornado in that parking lot about 12 years ago. It ended up touching down after it passed over Marrieta.

Talked to my ex that works at that hospital this morning and she said they are planning on setting up a temporary ER with limited lab and imaging while they rebuild the hospital but there will be no inpatient in the interim.

I've heard that the same people owned the homeland and the dollar general connected to it. Both were... not in great condition, but they said they're going to rebuild them. In the meantime though, the closest place for grocery shopping will be Ardmore.

The family dollar on main street is going to be packed for awhile, as it is now the only game in town.

This last system dropped a lot of rain over many areas which was much-needed after a dry start to spring. Areas north and west of OKC are still below-normal, hopefully these next few storms spread more rainfall in those areas. We're about to go into our two wettest months, and typically the northern half of the state does well during "MCS season" in late-May/early-June.
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But they weren't wrong in this case. This was a major, major tornado outbreak. In what world is over 20 tornados not a PDS? None. So they were right. People just called it a strikeout before it was even in the on-deck circle. And it's coming through with a home run. Sulphur is literally on fire, right now.

So those who predicted a make outbreak, were dead-on. Anyone bashing them was dead wrong.

*they weren't wrong in this case*

I said "recently" - models were a bust the last couple of weeks which assuredly led to people calling it too early on Saturday.

The NWS will continue to get better, local media will not - there are different incentives.

May see a few storms pop up tonight, but development will be very random. N OK is the best shot at any type of organized cells.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/hrrr/2024043015/hrrr_ref_frzn_scus_11.png

Two small cells have fired up in Custer County. They are small, but it does seem that there will be some action this afternoon and evening.

SVR Watch is out for W OK, comes right up against OKC. Storms are mostly supercell in structure, so large hail is the primary threat. Low chance of tornado activity, but threat does exist.

Tornado has already touched down near Cordell, did damage, but that storm has weakened. Kiowa County storm has definite lowering with some rotation, could be trouble if it gets more organized.