Kelly and Covell is a great intersection I agree with that ..

I don't agree the Covell is "such a cluster" ..

it is great from I35 until almost Coltrane .. currenlty and is great from just before Blvd to pretty much Sante Fe ..

the 2 miles from just before Coltrane to Blvd is going to get the same upgrade that the rest of that part of Covell has ... with the mile from just east of coltrane to just east of bryant getting ready to start and the next mile to follow ..


sure west of sante fe is a long term issue .. but that is not all of covell from 35 west ..

Unless you are seeing something I am not, they are not about to start on the 2 miles between Coltrane West or the next mile. I agree, West of Santa Fe is a long term goal to connect I35 to 74 but don’t see that happening in the next 15 years.

It purposely makes you slow down through the city?

I think it isn't as much as by design, but rather too many cars on main thoroughfare streets. Outside of the widening of Covell and some intersection improvements at 33rd and Broadway, Edmond's core streets have essentially stayed the same in 25 years, but gained 35-40k residents within city limits, plus the number of people in far NWOKC that live in a Edmond zip code and drive east into Edmond for shopping and retail.

The other issue that plagues Edmond is almost all roads are boxed in by the main roads. In other words, if you want to go from one side of town to the other, you are forced to use the main roads. Very few streets connect. Most subdivisions have one or two entrances that pour out onto the main road. Why is_______street so busy? The city, by design, makes every person drive on that street.

The explosion of growth in far North Edmond and southern Logan county hasn't helped traffic matters either as more people have to go south/north daily to get to Broadway Extension. Ideally, Broadway should have continued as controlled access all the way to Waterloo, instead it essentially dead ends next to a cemetery and railroad tracks at Danforth and you have to turn right to get merge into a decent strip of Blvd/Broadway to Covell.
The city actually had a right of way through there but chose to use it as more cemetery. I think it should have gone through like in the 60s/70s and the city should have bought more ground for a new new cemetery. The problem is the older parts of Edmond ie downtown and the old core were designed for a city of 25 to 35K pop not 100K plus. When the east of I 35 and some of the now undeveloped west side fill in, let alone southern Logan county etc fills in, what a mess this will be. The current council/staff have to deal with what was done years ago.

I can pretty much guarantee you that even the worst traffic planner/engineer hired for that size city anywhere in the USA would *not* have that as their priority, they would not purposely FUBAR the entire traffic system through a city just to slow traffic down, it doesn't work that way. It is a horribly planned city with so many cul-de-sacs and separated additions, compared to a gridded city like OKC, but they most likely didn't twirl their mustaches and say "Boris, I tink we haf to slow down all ze traffic in ze city, so why don't ve screw up all ze light thingies".

No one is saying that they're cartoonishly evil people twirling their mustaches but yeah, it's by design.

No one is saying that they're cartoonishly evil people twirling their mustaches but yeah, it's by design.

And you know this how?

And you know this how?

Drive...and I use that term loosely in this instance...through Edmond at 5 PM and try to hit consecutive green lights at the speed limit. :p

Edmond has their traffic counts posted, and it is amazing to see how certain intersections have not changed in size or additional lanes, but have seen significant increases in the past 10 years! An intersection I have frequented since 2016 has seen a 65% increase compared to when I first started using that route.

https://www.edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/6528/Average-Daily-Traffic-Counts-History-for-Year-End-2020

Whether its intentional or not, the road grid seems to be very overloaded at times and can't handle the amount of traffic efficiently causing the headaches they have made this a multi-page post.

Drive...and I use that term loosely in this instance...through Edmond at 5 PM and try to hit consecutive green lights at the speed limit. :p

Edmond has their traffic counts posted, and it is amazing to see how certain intersections have not changed in size or additional lanes, but have seen significant increases in the past 10 years! An intersection I have frequented since 2016 has seen a 65% increase compared to when I first started using that route.

https://www.edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/6528/Average-Daily-Traffic-Counts-History-for-Year-End-2020

Whether its intentional or not, the road grid seems to be very overloaded at times and can't handle the amount of traffic efficiently causing the headaches they have made this a multi-page post.

I have done that many times (since 1983), although I rarely drive the speed limit (usually 5-7 over and sometimes more to make a green light ahead that I know will change :)). Hopefully I will never ever have to drive in Edmond again for the rest of my life. But you said in your earlier post "it's by design" and then in this post you say "whether its intentional or not", so you really have no proof that it's by design or on purpose.

And you know this how?

Of course I don't think anyone here "knows" this, but I do think drivers in Edmond think that it is on purpose because it's so frequent that there is no way it can be just chance. On my morning commute through Edmond, I will hit every red light unless I make adjustments and speed but even that doesn't guarantee I'll get a green. This is echoed on my way home except with the sheer volume of vehicles you can't speed. But alas, in the mornings I'll even hit a red as I approach a signaled neighborhood street with absolutely no other vehicle pulling up -- I am the sole driver approaching the intersection. Even more crazy is often it'll turn red as I approach, I'll slow down almost to a stop, and then it'll turn green for me right as I'm literally at a complete stop. It really is maddening. So not only with all the pot holes and man covers and bumps do the roads make drivers need shocks and struts more frequently, we spend more money on gas and brakes due to all the constant acceleration and braking from hitting all the lights.

But whether it's on purpose or not, the way it is set up is conducive to road rage, red light running, and speeding.

Of course I don't think anyone here "knows" this, but I do think drivers in Edmond think that it is on purpose because it's so frequent that there is no way it can be just chance. On my morning commute through Edmond, I will hit every red light unless I make adjustments and speed but even that doesn't guarantee I'll get a green. This is echoed on my way home except with the sheer volume of vehicles you can't speed. But alas, in the mornings I'll even hit a red as I approach a signaled neighborhood street with absolutely no other vehicle pulling up -- I am the sole driver approaching the intersection. Even more crazy is often it'll turn red as I approach, I'll slow down almost to a stop, and then it'll turn green for me right as I'm literally at a complete stop. It really is maddening. So not only with all the pot holes and man covers and bumps do the roads make drivers need shocks and struts more frequently, we spend more money on gas and brakes due to all the constant acceleration and braking from hitting all the lights.

But whether it's on purpose or not, the way it is set up is conducive to road rage, red light running, and speeding.

Absolutely agree. But Hanlon's Razor is probably in effect here - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence."

Absolutely agree. But Hanlon's Razor is probably in effect here - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence."

I don't see anyone attributing it to malice. I think many attribute it to Edmond's philosophy on traffic or safety or traffic control. Many of us see the flaws of that philosophy and don't understand why Edmond doesn't or refuses to see it. In just the last few posts I've read people talking about speeding to make a light. But if you've spent any time at all driving in Edmond, you can see it's on purpose. It's too precise to be otherwise.

Hanlon's Razor may sound cool and all but you're asking us to defend a position we never held.

With all of these posts regarding if the red lights are cleverly planned or just inconsistent designs flaws; I think those that travel through Edmond can collectively agree the road infrastructure is completely inadequate in moving a large number of vehicles efficiently in any direction across the city.

Unfortunately, most of the roads that need upgraded are "boxed" in by developments that were approved with what appears the hope and aspirations of a town that would stay "quaint" and is now a town pushing 100,000.

I don't see anyone attributing it to malice. I think many attribute it to Edmond's philosophy on traffic or safety or traffic control. Many of us see the flaws of that philosophy and don't understand why Edmond doesn't or refuses to see it. In just the last few posts I've read people talking about speeding to make a light. But if you've spent any time at all driving in Edmond, you can see it's on purpose. It's too precise to be otherwise.

Hanlon's Razor may sound cool and all but you're asking us to defend a position we never held.

So anybody can just see it's on purpose, and that's definitive, notwithstanding that nobody anywhere that we know of has actually spoken to or asked the actual City of Edmond and/or its traffic engineers why traffic actually flows the way it does and the lights are programmed that way. Got it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So anybody can just see it's on purpose, and that's definitive, notwithstanding that nobody anywhere that we know of has actually spoken to or asked the actual City of Edmond and/or its traffic engineers why traffic actually flows the way it does and the lights are programmed that way. Got it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you need to definitively know whether it's done on purpose or its done out of malice or it's done because the people that run traffic lights in Edmond are stupid, then that's up to you to find out. You're majoring on the minors.

No matter the reason it's done, the fact remains that Edmond has way too many stoplights, they are programmed horribly, the streets are not in good shape, road construction is substandard as is evidenced by the road to bridge transitions, road repair is inefficient etc. Why does it need to matter how or why it was done? It's inferior and should be corrected.

If you need to definitively know whether it's done on purpose or its done out of malice or it's done because the people that run traffic lights in Edmond are stupid, then that's up to you to find out. You're majoring on the minors.
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You don't understand general internet etiquette, do you? You (or others) made the claim it was done on purpose, now you (or others) need to bring the receipts, that's how it's always worked.

And honestly, I don't give half a sh!t about Edmond's traffic, that's everybody else's problem that lives and drives up there. I'll no longer be driving in Edmond, ever, for hopefully the rest of my life, absolutely no need to ever go up there again, thankfully.

You don't understand general internet etiquette, do you? You (or others) made the claim it was done on purpose, now you (or others) need to bring the receipts, that's how it's always worked.

And honestly, I don't give half a sh!t about Edmond's traffic, that's everybody else's problem that lives and drives up there. I'll no longer be driving in Edmond, ever, for hopefully the rest of my life, absolutely no need to ever go up there again, thankfully.

Well thanks for stopping by and letting us know that you don't care about this subject.

^^ That was enjoyable but back to the subject....

I think a huge part of the problem most everywhere is cities sticking in non-thinking and non-demand (timed cycle) traffic lights at neighborhood feeder and shopping centers. These should ALL be on-demand lights so the main streets are always on green unless a vehicle is at the side-street. One of my major pet-peeves is having to stop at a traffic signal for absolutely no reason.

^^ That was enjoyable but back to the subject....

I think a huge part of the problem most everywhere is cities sticking in non-thinking and non-demand (timed cycle) traffic lights at neighborhood feeder and shopping centers. These should ALL be on-demand lights so the main streets are always on green unless a vehicle is at the side-street. One of my major pet-peeves is having to stop at a traffic signal for absolutely no reason.

I agree. I often think most of those lights you're describing need to turn into alternate blinking yellow/red after a certain hour. For example, after 8 or 9PM have those lights start flashing red for the side streets and yellow for the through arterial way and stay that way until like 6:45 or 7 the following morning.

Look at the Kohl's traffic signal on Santa Fe maybe 200 feet north of Danforth. That in itself if a farce given how close it is to a major intersection. I stop at that light just about every single time I drive through there only to stop at Danforth (or having had been stopped there.) Same with the light on Kelley Ave over in front of the Lowe's.

And speaking of the Danforth and Santa Fe intersection -- including the traffic signal at that intersection, there are five full traffic signals within a quarter mile of that intersection. They are not timed at all.

Look at the Kohl's traffic signal on Santa Fe maybe 200 feet north of Danforth. That in itself if a farce given how close it is to a major intersection. I stop at that light just about every single time I drive through there only to stop at Danforth (or having had been stopped there.) Same with the light on Kelley Ave over in front of the Lowe's.

And speaking of the Danforth and Santa Fe intersection -- including the traffic signal at that intersection, there are five full traffic signals within a quarter mile of that intersection. They are not timed at all.

Exactly. And this is not unique to that intersection. Edmond has other intersections that have the same problem.

Are any of you directing any of this to the City of Edmond?

I know a teen that recently got a job about a mile and a half from home. They have to go through 7 stoplights to get to work. That's 14 round trip.

Are any of you directing any of this to the City of Edmond?

Edmond has acknowledged the traffic problems in the past. They send out an annual survey for feedback on the worst intersections and have tried attempts like the ILS system that doesn't seem to be as effective as originally marketed for the city.

However, they (City of Edmond) have also painted themselves into a corner. A lot of these problems mentioned regarding traffic flow would require a complete overhaul of main roads in the city, unfortunately, the right of way for years has been given priority to houses and businesses that bump up right to the road. The majority of the main roads in the core of the city reflect traffic flow for when the city was around 35,000, it's is now pushing 100k in city limits alone, not counting the countless homes in "pretend Edmond" in NWOKC that drive into west Edmond for services.

This has been discussed before on the OKC Talk threads, but the image below is from the StrongTown series and sums up how Edmond neighborhoods have been developed over the past 20-30 years. The push to have all vehicles feed directly to main roads creates a lot of the traffic issues as well.

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I'm not sure what your solution is. Main arteries are supposed to carry the bulk of traffic (obviously within reason). The problem is putting in 14 traffic lights in a mile and a half distance.

The problem is putting in 14 traffic lights in a mile and a half distance.

I think that is the solution, but its not an easy one to fix. Edmond's main arteries should flow since everything "dumps" out on the mile by mile grid streets. Turn lanes, center medians, wide lanes, 3 lanes in each direction, right turn inlets into businesses and neighborhoods. Unfortunately, the city is stuck with very narrow one and two lane main roads in key places, lack of turn lanes, an abundant love of traffic lights, and many neighborhoods and businesses that bump right up to main roads with little to no egress for road expansion.

Since an elevated roadway of Broadway from 33rd to Danforth is out of question, maybe get ahead of the game and build a freeway like east/west route between Covell and Waterloo to allow connection to I-35 and HWY74, that could ease some of the middle of the city traffic that goes north/south everyday? Take a page out of Texas's road planning and build roads before they are needed when it is much cheaper to build.

North Boulevard just south of Covell and the stretch of road of Covell from Kelly to BLVD/Broadway is what the rest of the city's main arteries should look like to allow ease of flow. Removing some stoplights on Broadway, or looking at the patterns of the lights from 2nd to 33rd would be beneficial.

The problem with that is that its about 25 yrs too late. Too many expensive homes to buy out. The city is just going to have to deal with one that was planned for 35 K to 50K population tops. I bet we are over 100 K right now, with growth east of I 35 now in and coming years, growing in southern Logan county and also growing to the west, all these folks will for one reason or another travel through the heart of Edmond. Can we say grid lock? I remember days of it on 2nd st and trying to get out and travel west or east from Fire Station 1 20 25 yrs ago under grid lock conditions. Its only going to get worst. Also with Edmond pushing for density, ugh. I dont want to think about this. I am east of I 35 and even east side with housing additions going it, the traffic has really picked up in the last 2 yrs.

I think that is the solution, but its not an easy one to fix. Edmond's main arteries should flow since everything "dumps" out on the mile by mile grid streets. Turn lanes, center medians, wide lanes, 3 lanes in each direction, right turn inlets into businesses and neighborhoods. Unfortunately, the city is stuck with very narrow one and two lane main roads in key places, lack of turn lanes, an abundant love of traffic lights, and many neighborhoods and businesses that bump right up to main roads with little to no egress for road expansion.

Since an elevated roadway of Broadway from 33rd to Danforth is out of question, maybe get ahead of the game and build a freeway like east/west route between Covell and Waterloo to allow connection to I-35 and HWY74, that could ease some of the middle of the city traffic that goes north/south everyday? Take a page out of Texas's road planning and build roads before they are needed when it is much cheaper to build.

North Boulevard just south of Covell and the stretch of road of Covell from Kelly to BLVD/Broadway is what the rest of the city's main arteries should look like to allow ease of flow. Removing some stoplights on Broadway, or looking at the patterns of the lights from 2nd to 33rd would be beneficial.

all of Covell will be that BLVD concept from I35 to sante fe .. (eventually )

It is complete from I35 to just east of coltrane .... and from just east of broadway to just east of santefe ..

the coltrane to just east of bryant section has a completed design and the just east of byrant to just east of broadway is in design ...

all of Covell will be that BLVD concept from I35 to sante fe .. (eventually )

It is complete from I35 to just east of coltrane .... and from just east of broadway to just east of santefe ..

the coltrane to just east of bryant section has a completed design and the just east of byrant to just east of broadway is in design ...

I understand this piece is in progress but with zero funding solution and no expectation for it to get done in the near future. It took me complaining (along with many other people) to get Coltrane to add the temp turn lane. Covell will need to be the expanded lanes from Sante Fe to Air Depot at a minimum with the new middle and elementary school coming in the next 2 years. Sante Fe east is needed now as well but less of a need than the rest I mentioned. While traffic lights (and mostly their inept setup) causing a major issue throughout the city, it is also all the curb cuts which drives more stop and go traffic. 2nd and Blvd is a major issue and the city needs to get over the Territorial school not being able to be moved to increase ability to address the road issue.

I understand this piece is in progress but with zero funding solution and no expectation for it to get done in the near future. It took me complaining (along with many other people) to get Coltrane to add the temp turn lane. Covell will need to be the expanded lanes from Sante Fe to Air Depot at a minimum with the new middle and elementary school coming in the next 2 years. Sante Fe east is needed now as well but less of a need than the rest I mentioned. While traffic lights (and mostly their inept setup) causing a major issue throughout the city, it is also all the curb cuts which drives more stop and go traffic. 2nd and Blvd is a major issue and the city needs to get over the Territorial school not being able to be moved to increase ability to address the road issue.

the mile from east of coltrane to east of bryant is funded ..

that leaves 1 mile to go (bryant to broadway) to get to sante fe

Edmond 100% in a future bond issue needs to fund the same blvd concept (or at least a widening ) from Air depot (really should be douglas) on the east and from sante fe to the city limit (which is penn) on the west .. and then work with the county / state to fund a widening of covell from Penn to portland ..

the mile from east of coltrane to east of bryant is funded ..

that leaves 1 mile to go (bryant to broadway) to get to sante fe

Edmond 100% in a future bond issue needs to fund the same blvd concept (or at least a widening ) from Air depot (really should be douglas) on the east and from sante fe to the city limit (which is penn) on the west .. and then work with the county / state to fund a widening of covell from Penn to portland ..

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I def feel that if they would get that done it would blow up with increased development both in terms of housing and retail. Would love for it to expand to Douglas now which is very much needed. Would also like to see them expand Covell out to Westminster and then Westminster from at least Coffee Creek down to 2nd/66 as the high school will get built in the next 8 years and will drive a ton of development and traffic.

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I def feel that if they would get that done it would blow up with increased development both in terms of housing and retail. Would love for it to expand to Douglas now which is very much needed. Would also like to see them expand Covell out to Westminster and then Westminster from at least Coffee Creek down to 2nd/66 as the high school will get built in the next 8 years and will drive a ton of development and traffic.

yes sir ..

I forgot to add that I was right there with you asking for the turn lanes and the temp Light at Covell and coltrane .. (I live very close to that intersection )

yes sir ..

I forgot to add that I was right there with you asking for the turn lanes and the temp Light at Covell and coltrane .. (I live very close to that intersection )

I was HOLLERING about that intersection bc of the traffic backed up so bad there. Amazing how just a small improvement has drastically changed the flow through there.

I was HOLLERING about that intersection bc of the traffic backed up so bad there. Amazing how just a small improvement has drastically changed the flow through there.

for sure between that and finally adding the lights at Covell and I35 cut down my commute time a bunch ...

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I def feel that if they would get that done it would blow up with increased development both in terms of housing and retail. Would love for it to expand to Douglas now which is very much needed. Would also like to see them expand Covell out to Westminster and then Westminster from at least Coffee Creek down to 2nd/66 as the high school will get built in the next 8 years and will drive a ton of development and traffic.
I am one of the folks that moved out here to get away from traffic and people and problems of people messing with my horses. I also wanted to be able to ride and drive the roads. What about us who put a life time of work into our places to be able to do this? How is that going to help us be able to drive the roads ie with a 2 wheel cart. We cannot just jump into the bar ditch. I did roll my cart horse and myself once. What about all the wild life? where are they to go? or are theyjust suppose to be dead by being hit by cars?? People dont watch or they do so on purpose. I was chasing 12 deer off the road. I dont move fast with my bad knees. Guy was mad because I cannot move fast so he hit me with his truck knocking me down. Another nice guy jumped out of his truck and called me every 4 letter word in the book and expected me to just jump up. I told him I cannot. This is the attuide that I am dealing with out here. I am older and retired, hard to just pickup and move and start from scratch all over again. No I dont want to live in town. No place for a shop building garden horses chickens (roosters) and open space ie your own large acreage.
I am feeling like I am getting invaded.

I am one of the folks that moved out here to get away from traffic and people and problems of people messing with my horses. I also wanted to be able to ride and drive the roads. What about us who put a life time of work into our places to be able to do this? How is that going to help us be able to drive the roads ie with a 2 wheel cart. We cannot just jump into the bar ditch. I did roll my cart horse and myself once. What about all the wild life? where are they to go? or are theyjust suppose to be dead by being hit by cars?? People dont watch or they do so on purpose. I was chasing 12 deer off the road. I dont move fast with my bad knees. Guy was mad because I cannot move fast so he hit me with his truck knocking me down. Another nice guy jumped out of his truck and called me every 4 letter word in the book and expected me to just jump up. I told him I cannot. This is the attuide that I am dealing with out here. I am older and retired, hard to just pickup and move and start from scratch all over again. No I dont want to live in town. No place for a shop building garden horses chickens (roosters) and open space ie your own large acreage.
I am feeling like I am getting invaded.

While I do not condone anyone assaulting you or your property in that manner you have described. Oklahoma City and many other cities in the United States have been sprawling for the better part of a century. You do not have a guaranteed right to not have other property owners develop their land as they see fit. If you want your own private oasis away from it all you kind of have to pay for it (buy up surrounding land) or move out further into to the actual rural areas of the state. It is not convenient and I understand your frustration, however we live in the world that is and not the world that we want it to be.

When I moved out here back in 1983, the land was in the Okc school district and kids went to inter city schools. Basically it was not a popular area. The thinking was that if it would develop it would be large lots ie acreages. That is why I moved out here. I spent my life time and worked 2 and sometimes 3 jobs to have what I have. I would get home at 10 pm and work on my place place with my truck's head lights. I could not go farther out because of my job. Yes some actually lived an hour or more out but that was the exception. I thought this was a good balance. esp when working 2 jobs most of the time and sometimes a part time occasional position. I still wanted to have time to enjoy my horses and place. Now that I am older and retired, I dont have the energy to start from scratch and build stuff again. I just want to enjoy my place. By the way, why I am so concerned about deer on the road. I saw a buck at 2nd and I 35. I could have stopped and chased him away. I did not. I went in to work. When I got there I turned around and responded to a deer that went through a lady's winshild that she hit then she hit the bridge post. She had jsut dropped off her kids. If I took that few mins of time I could have prevented her death and kids would have had their mom. I have to live with this. This is why. I say never again.

Yes I have bad knees that is why I am looking to get back into driving vs riding. I used to drive the roads in my cart.

Far out rural areas=no good health care and shopping. Just shopping to get parts to fix something would be a long drive.

I am one of the folks that moved out here to get away from traffic and people and problems of people messing with my horses. I also wanted to be able to ride and drive the roads. What about us who put a life time of work into our places to be able to do this? How is that going to help us be able to drive the roads ie with a 2 wheel cart. We cannot just jump into the bar ditch. I did roll my cart horse and myself once. What about all the wild life? where are they to go? or are theyjust suppose to be dead by being hit by cars?? People dont watch or they do so on purpose. I was chasing 12 deer off the road. I dont move fast with my bad knees. Guy was mad because I cannot move fast so he hit me with his truck knocking me down. Another nice guy jumped out of his truck and called me every 4 letter word in the book and expected me to just jump up. I told him I cannot. This is the attuide that I am dealing with out here. I am older and retired, hard to just pickup and move and start from scratch all over again. No I dont want to live in town. No place for a shop building garden horses chickens (roosters) and open space ie your own large acreage.
I am feeling like I am getting invaded.

I understand the want to move out into the rural areas (which this area has been up until the last 5 or so years when housing has blown up in the area. Unfortunately, without you owning the land, it is more and more difficult to direct what happens with it.
The high school, middle school and elementary school will all be built in the next few years. That will only drive more homes, retail, businesses to the area and the need for road expansion.

The issue at hand is the city grid was built for 30-40k people and there is now 100k and the roads are not sufficient.

The OKC metro sprawls. That's nothing new. Land is plenty so we build out and not up.

That being said, I've expressed on here before the futility of it. People move out from the city to get away from it all. Strip centers and fast food is built to these outliers so as to be more convenient. Before you know it, what you were trying to get away from has followed you. So people move out even further and it follows them again. Meanwhile the new area of 20 years ago gets left and run down.

I've been paying more attention and I see what you guys are saying about curb cuts. Some areas have so many that they're nearly on top of each other.

Also, they need to stop putting them so close to busy intersections. Like Danforth and Kelly for instance. I feel like if you're trying to exit Starbucks at 4:15pm, that's on you. It's not my job to let you in. Especially if you think you're gonna turn left.

I know when people let cars in, they think they're being nice. But, actually, you're being a jerk to the 80 cars behind you that missed the light and got stranded for another 10 minutes.

ON EDIT: This sounds a little harsh on a reread. But also know that I don't ask or expect to be let in when I'm that guy trying to exit a parking lot. It's my job to find a break in traffic where I can safely enter the roadway.

I've been paying more attention and I see what you guys are saying about curb cuts. Some areas have so many that they're nearly on top of each other.

Also, they need to stop putting them so close to busy intersections. Like Danforth and Kelly for instance. I feel like if you're trying to exit Starbucks at 4:15pm, that's on you. It's not my job to let you in. Especially if you think you're gonna turn left.

I know when people let cars in, they think they're being nice. But, actually, you're being a jerk to the 80 cars behind you that missed the light and got stranded for another 10 minutes.

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That's it, let's all ride horses everywhere we go.

That's it, let's all ride horses everywhere we go.

I mean, sitting on 2nd Street/Edmond Road and stopping at every single light between Bryant and Kelly...and you see the person on the bike breeze on by on the sidewalk.

Edmond traffic feels like the opening scene to "Office Space."

The OKC metro sprawls. That's nothing new. Land is plenty so we build out and not up.

That being said, I've expressed on here before the futility of it. People move out from the city to get away from it all. Strip centers and fast food is built to these outliers so as to be more convenient. Before you know it, what you were trying to get away from has followed you. So people move out even further and it follows them again. Meanwhile the new area of 20 years ago gets left and run down.

I think you would enjoy this in regards to suburbia expansion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI

While I do not condone anyone assaulting you or your property in that manner you have described. Oklahoma City and many other cities in the United States have been sprawling for the better part of a century. You do not have a guaranteed right to not have other property owners develop their land as they see fit. If you want your own private oasis away from it all you kind of have to pay for it (buy up surrounding land) or move out further into to the actual rural areas of the state. It is not convenient and I understand your frustration, however we live in the world that is and not the world that we want it to be.
I am on 10 ac. Sure I should have tried to buy a few more ac. but there is no way I could afford to buy up the whole east side. At the time I bought my land and built I was told that it would only grow to me say 5 ac lots and would remain rural. Now what is an older retired lady subpost to do??? Moving takes alot of work and effort and not easy as you get older. Just try to find a horse property with fruit trees that produce and less then 1 mill is not going to happen unless you are way way out from everything.

I think you would enjoy this in regards to suburbia expansion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI
Some decent points and info in the video. However, I feel the points could've had better impact had he not used up time to take little potshots at US citizens.

MuRicAnS tWo dUM too Do mEtRiC.

Yeah, because dividing by ten is so difficult. It smacks of inferiority.

Some decent points and info in the video. However, I feel the points could've had better impact had he not used up time to take little potshots at US citizens.

MuRicAnS tWo dUM too Do mEtRiC.

Yeah, because dividing by ten is so difficult. It smacks of inferiority.

I've always found that the best way to reason with people and make them reconsider their stance on things is to mock and belittle their intelligence.

I've always found that the best way to reason with people and make them reconsider their stance on things is to mock and belittle their intelligence.
He also took whatever little opportunities he had to promote Canada (his home) over the US. He said Canadian cities are better with finances than US cities. When your entire country has a smaller population than the state of California, it makes a difference. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Still, the math doesn't lie. Pretty sure the same analysis of OKC and its sprawling 600+ square miles would be pretty ugly for such a "fiscally responsible" place.

Sitting at a major intersection yesterday at about 11:45am. Heavy traffic waiting at the lights in every which direction. Except the turn lane. Guess who got the green. We all sat for a long time as no one went through the intersection while the turn light was green.

He also took whatever little opportunities he had to promote Canada (his home) over the US. He said Canadian cities are better with finances than US cities. When your entire country has a smaller population than the state of California, it makes a difference. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

While he is Canadian, he doesn't live in Canada. He lives somewhere in Europe. Also, population makes a difference in absolute numbers, not in relative numbers. They have a lower population, which means that across their population density is much lower. They have about 1/8 our population density. Considering the whole video was about how density is managed effectively, it seems that you're right, it isn't an apples to apples comparison since Canada would necessarily have a much more difficult density to manage than the US. The fact that they can manage when they are in a much more difficult position is even more striking now. Thanks for making me look that up!

Here is an interesting tidbit of information since you bring up Canada's population and density, 60% of Canadians live south of Seattle. 70% live south of the 49th parallel which is the US/Canadian border from Minnesota to the west.

Our crew was out in Arcadia/Pop's on Saturday night. Made the drive in on 2nd Street/Route 66.

Surprisingly, flowed right through all the stoplights at I-35 and 2nd. So it IS Possible to have efficient traffic flow.

Any progress made however was swiftly stopped, as we hit every single light from Coltrane to Kelly/Edmond Road. Maybe the most frustrating part were the secondary lights at the lesser intersections. While we were waiting on the green to go east/west on 2nd at the main intersections (Bryant, Blvd, Broadway), the lights further down were giving green to east/west, but with no cars, as we were all queued at the preceding intersection. Sure enough, the lights changed to red as we drove up from the previous intersection. This would be the secondary stoplights at Vista Ln, Target/Walmart Market, Bauman/Starbucks, Littler/Sprouts, and Fretz.

Our crew was out in Arcadia/Pop's on Saturday night. Made the drive in on 2nd Street/Route 66.

Surprisingly, flowed right through all the stoplights at I-35 and 2nd. So it IS Possible to have efficient traffic flow.

Any progress made however was swiftly stopped, as we hit every single light from Coltrane to Kelly/Edmond Road. Maybe the most frustrating part were the secondary lights at the lesser intersections. While we were waiting on the green to go east/west on 2nd at the main intersections (Bryant, Blvd, Broadway), the lights further down were giving green to east/west, but with no cars, as we were all queued at the preceding intersection. Sure enough, the lights changed to red as we drove up from the previous intersection. This would be the secondary stoplights at Vista Ln, Target/Walmart Market, Bauman/Starbucks, Littler/Sprouts, and Fretz.

Yeah, it's so frustrating to be waiting at a red and see the green just down the road. Then when yours turns green, a few seconds later the next one turns red.

I spoke with someone last week who told me that they were going 70mph through Edmond just to try to make a light after being frustrated at hitting every red light. I have a hunch this happens quite often. Maybe not quite 70mph but enough to be breaking the speed limit by 10 or 15mph. Edmond thinks all the red lights helps to stop speeding but it increases speeding and road rage.

Two new lights going in. temporary wire hanging for now but permanent later when road reconstruction occurs.
Sooner and danforth
school st and danforth (town square neighborhood and Francis Tuttle entrance)

I'm sure I've complained about this before but I get so frustrated when I'm going the speed limit on Council at 6 AM and lights turn red when there's no one at the cross streets. WHY!!!!!!

Traveling north on Kelly toward Covell today. The 3 way stoplight by Lowe's turns red as I approach it. Southbound is still green. Why? What purpose did this serve? Was it just to make us northbound vehicles mad? Is there some City of Edmond employee crouching behind the control box snickering his Snidely Whiplash laugh?

Traveling north on Kelly toward Covell today. The 3 way stoplight by Lowe's turns red as I approach it. Southbound is still green. Why? What purpose did this serve? Was it just to make us northbound vehicles mad? Is there some City of Edmond employee crouching behind the control box snickering his Snidely Whiplash laugh?

I've hit that many times just like that.

I've hit that many times just like that.

I have experienced this as well!
However, my ultimate "favorite" is on Covell at the light by Upton Market/Cheyenne Middle School there. Driving at 5 a.m. to Mitch Park YMCA and there is NO ONE out there but the stop light turns red.

Driving west on 2nd last night about 10pm. We were sitting at the at the front at the stoplight at 2nd and Bryant (I was the passenger). Light turned green, we went straight and it was turning yellow before we cleared the intersection.

I don't know what the daily traffic throughput is in Edmond, so maybe this wouldn't work but it should at least be researched and explored.

Edmond wants to be one of those most bestest livable burbs but the traffic light situation makes people hate driving in Edmond. That kinda lowers the quality of life in Edmond. People don't want to travel two miles down the road because they'll encounter 16 lights round trip (wish that was hyperbole).


https://youtube.com/watch?v=atORPw-w83I&pp

It doesn't appear to matter what streets I drive in Edmond. No matter where I go, I'm sure to encounter closed lanes. Sometimes multiple closed lanes on one trip depending upon what route I take. Edmond only gives the appearance of 4 lane roads.