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looking at DCA flights with AA in August and it looks like they downgraded plane from E175 to CRJ700. Boooo
At the same time, I think AA is planning on an all Embraer RJ fleet by the end of the decade. Can’t come soon enough!
Richard at Remax 05-10-2024, 11:00 AM ^1000%. The E175/190 is one of my favorite planes
brianinok 05-11-2024, 05:43 AM At the same time, I think AA is planning on an all Embraer RJ fleet by the end of the decade. Can’t come soon enough!This flight has been everything from CRJ700, CRJ900, E175, and A319. Most common over the course of the year is E175. I haven't had the chance to fly it when it's been an A319 oddly enough, but I've noticed it.
gopokes88 05-13-2024, 12:09 PM April is out and it's fantastic. Up 10% over april of '23, every airline growing. So much for the "can't grow anymore" crowd
https://www.flyokc.com/sites/default/files/April%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
PhiAlpha 05-13-2024, 12:23 PM April is out and it's fantastic. Up 10% over april of '23, every airline growing. So much for the "can't grow anymore" crowd
https://www.flyokc.com/sites/default/files/April%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
This despite the Airport Director's best efforts to eliminate air travel from OKC. LOL
gopokes88 05-13-2024, 12:31 PM This despite the Airport Director's best efforts to eliminate air travel from OKC. LOL
If only he had the courage to cold call the CEO of American Airlines and demand a Dubai flight
amocore 05-14-2024, 10:22 AM Nice month :
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/April%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
I am not sure if it is due to more flights or bigger planes but every airlines are up.
It has been told before but Frontier has been growing significantly out of OKC. Maybe more frequent flights as there are no new destination.
Richard at Remax 05-14-2024, 10:45 AM Nice month :
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/April%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
I am not sure if it is due to more flights or bigger planes but every airlines are up.
It has been told before but Frontier has been growing significantly out of OKC. Maybe more frequent flights as there are no new destination.
It has to be that they are running 1x a day to/from Denver now. Their LAS flights are still only Friday & Sunday from what I can see. Regardless a pretty big jump and must feel they can take away business from SWA and United.
okcrun 05-15-2024, 12:32 PM It has to be that they are running 1x a day to/from Denver now. Their LAS flights are still only Friday & Sunday from what I can see. Regardless a pretty big jump and must feel they can take away business from SWA and United.
I fly on them every few weeks to both and the scheduling is all over the place, never been able to make any sense of it. There were no flights at all from Denver or Vegas yesterday or today for some reason. I'm in Vegas now and fly back tomorrow.
That being said I hope they add another route at some point, seems like a waste to have a gate only for one or two flights a day. Their pricing is so competitive I can't imagine them not being able to fill flights elsewhere.
bombermwc 05-16-2024, 07:50 AM I wish airlines would throw out regional jets. I get so very tired of the flights from OKC being on stupid regional jets that dont have proper overhead bins, no power outlets, etc. I dont care who the manufacturer is, i hate them all.
Southwest has managed to exist in that same plane size space with a proper real aircraft with proper real bins. They do exist out in the world. United/Delta/AA they just all need to get on board with not using those pieces of crap at airports our size. You wanna throw that at Stillwater, fine. But between OKC and Chicago, come on. You can and do fill the thing, so there is absolutely enough traffic to warrant a larger aircraft.
We used to see a lot of MD80 use through OKC, and frankly, they weren't much better. It's just a longer version with insufficient overhead space and a LOT of noise. If you have been on any Airbus or Boeing aircraft with the new "oversized" bins, well you've experienced what the thing should have been like this whole time. It's amazing that it took this long for things to get designed properly. Bag wheels first, on its side, and you magically have enough room for everyone. And when it's like that, guess what else? People aren't cramming at the gate to try to be in as early as possible beacuse they don't have to fight for a spot in the bin to avoid the gate checking that they announce at every flight.
Honestly, i think airlines do this because they don't really want people to be too comfortable. We don't want to pay baggage fees, but they want the income. How do they fix that? Well, keep the bins too small so you encourage more people to not use them. Don't want people cramming at the gate? Well let's create 10 levels of different ways to collect more income on a ticket before we get to Group 2....Let's see.... Diamond, Emerald, Service Memebers, Advantage, I think I counted 7 on a Delta flight one time before I got to my group 2!!!
fortpatches 05-16-2024, 10:17 AM I wish airlines would throw out regional jets. I get so very tired of the flights from OKC being on stupid regional jets that dont have proper overhead bins, no power outlets, etc. I dont care who the manufacturer is, i hate them all.
Southwest has managed to exist in that same plane size space with a proper real aircraft with proper real bins. They do exist out in the world. United/Delta/AA they just all need to get on board with not using those pieces of crap at airports our size. You wanna throw that at Stillwater, fine. But between OKC and Chicago, come on. You can and do fill the thing, so there is absolutely enough traffic to warrant a larger aircraft.
We used to see a lot of MD80 use through OKC, and frankly, they weren't much better. It's just a longer version with insufficient overhead space and a LOT of noise. If you have been on any Airbus or Boeing aircraft with the new "oversized" bins, well you've experienced what the thing should have been like this whole time. It's amazing that it took this long for things to get designed properly. Bag wheels first, on its side, and you magically have enough room for everyone. And when it's like that, guess what else? People aren't cramming at the gate to try to be in as early as possible beacuse they don't have to fight for a spot in the bin to avoid the gate checking that they announce at every flight.
Honestly, i think airlines do this because they don't really want people to be too comfortable. We don't want to pay baggage fees, but they want the income. How do they fix that? Well, keep the bins too small so you encourage more people to not use them. Don't want people cramming at the gate? Well let's create 10 levels of different ways to collect more income on a ticket before we get to Group 2....Let's see.... Diamond, Emerald, Service Memebers, Advantage, I think I counted 7 on a Delta flight one time before I got to my group 2!!!
I actually prefer to gate-check my bags. It's like luggage concierge - I don't have to lug my luggage through the aisle of a plane and instead have it waiting for me at the gate when I disembark. Convenience: 100%.
I think I mentioned it earlier, but the last few times I have flown Delta in/out of OKC it has been on a Boeing 737-800. Is there a way to lookup what types of planes are normally used by a specific carrier at a specific location? Delta also just changed from Groups to "Zones" - there are 8 zones I think. Main cabin tickets start at zone 5(?). Economy tickets are zone 8. I think it is comfort+ is zone 3-4 and first is 1-2?
Jeepnokc 05-16-2024, 11:39 AM I actually prefer to gate-check my bags. It's like luggage concierge - I don't have to lug my luggage through the aisle of a plane and instead have it waiting for me at the gate when I disembark. Convenience: 100%.
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I used to gate check but the problem is having to wait on the bag at the gate if you have a really short layover. Almost missed a few flights that way. I just always check my bags now which also works well as I like to carry a cigar torch lighter which you can't do on carry on. There is a special container that is TSA approved for torch lighters in checked bags.
LakeEffect 05-16-2024, 12:23 PM I actually prefer to gate-check my bags. It's like luggage concierge - I don't have to lug my luggage through the aisle of a plane and instead have it waiting for me at the gate when I disembark. Convenience: 100%.
I think I mentioned it earlier, but the last few times I have flown Delta in/out of OKC it has been on a Boeing 737-800. Is there a way to lookup what types of planes are normally used by a specific carrier at a specific location? Delta also just changed from Groups to "Zones" - there are 8 zones I think. Main cabin tickets start at zone 5(?). Economy tickets are zone 8. I think it is comfort+ is zone 3-4 and first is 1-2?
Delta's app will tell you when you're looking at the flight details, even when you book (if it's not too many months out). Another option is typing your flight into SeatGuru or FlightAware and seeing what it shows.
brianinok 05-17-2024, 11:57 AM Oklahoma City one of the big winners on these one-off Delta flights for college football: link (https://news.delta.com/delta-game-day-ready-flights-college-footballs-biggest-matchups-fall)
s00nr1 05-22-2024, 12:46 PM April is out and it's fantastic. Up 10% over april of '23, every airline growing. So much for the "can't grow anymore" crowd
https://www.flyokc.com/sites/default/files/April%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
If only we could get UAL to bring back SFO and IAD.
BG918 05-22-2024, 02:08 PM If only we could get UAL to bring back SFO and IAD.
Yep those would be great. EWR no longer needed with the AA/DL flights to LGA as long as IAD is added.
HOT ROD 05-22-2024, 11:06 PM EWR is still needed for OKC to have a United presence in the NYC market. But yes, we need connectivity to all hubs; SFO and IAD remaining for United.
bison34 05-22-2024, 11:18 PM DTW, IAD, EWR, SFO, JFK (probably will never happen) and PHL are the missing main hubs for the big 3 airlines (Delta, United, AA). The OKC-SFO flight was always full when I took it, as was DTW. Never flew EWR or PHL, and IAD was about 90% full when I flew it.
Richard at Remax 05-23-2024, 10:43 AM 18842
The map above shows the most glaring issue is connection to the NE. Excluding CLT, it seems all the carriers are content with running all OKC international travel through the midwest and south. Our two connections in the NE (DCA, LGA) do not offer international travel options (across Atlantic). It also shows me that we lack the international travel and the business travel right now. Add PHL (AA), IAD (UA), and BOS/DTW (DL) and it would open up so many more options.
United:
With EWR focus on reducing regional jets, I can't see that one resuming anytime soon.
I am sure they are looking at data, but as for IAD, maybe they don't think there is enough passengers to pull away from SWA or AA (to DCA) to make it profitable.
The SFO hole is the biggest surprise to me. I don't know why this isn't back yet. I am also surprised that either SWA hasn't added a flight to Oakland or Alaska added a regional flight to SFO. This flight was always full when I was on it. It's a big leisure market, but there are smarter people that me calling the shots.
Wouldn't mind them adding LAX back to maybe give the AA flights some competition
AA
I can't see JFK happening. I've done it before and it's a bit annoying, but getting a cab from LGA to JFK is not bad at all.
Adding PHL would open up a lot more international travel options, esp on AA. They have quite a few more Europe routes (15) than DFW (8) or MIA (4) does.
Delta
Adding back DTW and possibly BOS would be nice.
Long shot, but adding a morning flight to SEA and and afternoon flight from SEA would maybe give Alaska some competition. I love Alaska but their flight schedule to SEA leaves a lot to be desired.
FInally, once the international customs area and OKC airport rebranding is complete, I can see them adding a flight to Cancun via SWA or Frontier.
HOT ROD 05-25-2024, 12:12 AM Very nice analysis and prediction Richard. I'd love to see Catch's response/reaction, if any.
CPin405 06-17-2024, 08:53 AM The May 2024 report is out. Growth across the board save for Allegiant. Delta, Frontier, Southwest and United leading the way this time:
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/May%202024%20Enplanement%20REVISED.pdf
2024 is on track to do better than 2023. Love to see it. And I believe the new customs facility is under construction as well.
s00nr1 06-17-2024, 10:02 AM The May 2024 report is out. Growth across the board save for Allegiant. Delta, Frontier, Southwest and United leading the way this time:
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/May%202024%20Enplanement%20REVISED.pdf
2024 is on track to do better than 2023. Love to see it. And I believe the new customs facility is under construction as well.
And all this growth with no new routes of late. Impressive.
bison34 06-17-2024, 10:28 AM Somehow defying logic and physics all at once. Good for the airport. I was wrong. But more routes will eventually be needed.
Celebrator 06-17-2024, 11:04 AM The May 2024 report is out. Growth across the board save for Allegiant. Delta, Frontier, Southwest and United leading the way this time:
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/May%202024%20Enplanement%20REVISED.pdf
2024 is on track to do better than 2023. Love to see it. And I believe the new customs facility is under construction as well.
Allegiant needs to do better marketing in this town.
BG918 06-17-2024, 11:10 AM Somehow defying logic and physics all at once. Good for the airport. I was wrong. But more routes will eventually be needed.
I see more frequency and/or larger aircraft vs many new routes. SFO should be the #1 priority for United along with resuming IAD (all hubs covered except EWR). Delta could resume DTW (all hubs covered). AA could resume PHL (all hubs covered). I'd like to see Southwest add a California nonstop or resume BWI but I don't see that happening with their current issues. Maybe Frontier can add a leisure route like SAN and, eventually, CUN.
gopokes88 06-17-2024, 12:29 PM With delta taking American's spot in Austin, wouldn't be surprised to see an OKC-AUS route at some point.
American screwed up their entire year and the CCO departed, wouldn't imagine we see any route movement there till 2025
HOT ROD 06-17-2024, 02:19 PM The May 2024 report is out. Growth across the board save for Allegiant. Delta, Frontier, Southwest and United leading the way this time:
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/May%202024%20Enplanement%20REVISED.pdf
2024 is on track to do better than 2023. Love to see it. And I believe the new customs facility is under construction as well.
>4.8 million pax with current trends, which would beat the 2019 record by a bit.
If we can get CIS up and running + an at least weekly international flight or two, we can start to see some connecting pax as well (not a lot, but still more than currently, which is minimal).
Also can't wait for the rebrand to Oklahoma City Will Rogers International Airport and the new, functioning website hopefully also this year. Exciting times!.
Richard at Remax 06-18-2024, 10:41 AM Airplane equipment upgrades and frequencies aside, when was the last true new route announced? Nashville with SWA?
bison34 06-18-2024, 10:42 AM Airplane equipment upgrades and frequencies aside, when was the last true new route announced? Nashville with SWA?
Been over a year. I wish Breeze would have been successful here. They add routes all the time from their cities.
Richard at Remax 06-18-2024, 10:48 AM Been over a year. I wish Breeze would have been successful here. They add routes all the time from their cities.
they also cancel routes all the time too. hard to push the pay button on a flight if you don't know if it will be there in a few months.
that being said, I don't know if there is room here for a true third low budget carrier. Breeze seems to do well in cities with not a whole lot of competition. We don't have a ton here (frontier and allegiant), but we have all the legacy carriers. Besides Spirit, I just can't see start ups or carriers like Breeze having a whole lot of success.
bison34 06-18-2024, 11:04 AM they also cancel routes all the time too. hard to push the pay button on a flight if you don't know if it will be there in a few months.
that being said, I don't know if there is room here for a true third low budget carrier. Breeze seems to do well in cities with not a whole lot of competition. We don't have a ton here (frontier and allegiant), but we have all the legacy carriers. Besides Spirit, I just can't see start ups or carriers like Breeze having a whole lot of success.
That's fair. I hope Allegiant eventually adds some more routes here. They seem to be somewhat successful at their niche. More flights to the coasts would be great.
BG918 06-18-2024, 01:32 PM Still wondering why Allegiant is ending their seasonal OKC/TUL-VPS route in August this year vs October last year. I don’t see that route ever being year-round but April-October should do well with that area’s popularity with people in Oklahoma.
Jersey Boss 06-20-2024, 05:44 PM https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/local/2024/06/20/low-flying-commercial-jet-skims-oklahoma-city-suburb-wednesday-morning/74157643007/
Heads up!
Zorba 06-20-2024, 09:42 PM And all this growth with no new routes of late. Impressive.
And no new covered parking for over a decade. Getting hard to park with a roof there. I wish they'd at least put the covers over the garage roof.
jn1780 06-21-2024, 08:50 AM https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/local/2024/06/20/low-flying-commercial-jet-skims-oklahoma-city-suburb-wednesday-morning/74157643007/
Heads up!
What the heck is going on with Southwest? Pilot training seems to be lacking as this is the second low altitude incident involving landing approaches this year. The other one was near Hawaii.
BoulderSooner 06-21-2024, 09:24 AM And no new covered parking for over a decade. Getting hard to park with a roof there. I wish they'd at least put the covers over the garage roof.
they are getting ready to build another garage
okcrun 06-21-2024, 12:25 PM And no new covered parking for over a decade. Getting hard to park with a roof there. I wish they'd at least put the covers over the garage roof.
Public transit to the airport would be nice
VeggieMeat 06-21-2024, 03:24 PM What the heck is going on with Southwest? Pilot training seems to be lacking as this is the second low altitude incident involving landing approaches this year. The other one was near Hawaii.
I'm wondering if the OKC one might have been a GPS issue. If you backup the approach for 13, the flight path seems to line up pretty well for the published GPS approach procedure.
scottk 06-21-2024, 03:26 PM Public transit to the airport would be nice
Can you expand on how this would work?
I've had flights at 5AM and arrived after 11 PM, I hate spending $40-50 on an Uber or Airport Shuttle, but the airport schedule seems to be too varied to be rely on a service like Embark that runs only during certain hours of the weekday and weekend.
I would support a light rail/monorail service that ran from the airport to airport hotel district, on Meridian over to State Fair Park, and meet up with the street car in downtown.
Snowman 06-22-2024, 10:21 AM Can you expand on how this would work?
I've had flights at 5AM and arrived after 11 PM, I hate spending $40-50 on an Uber or Airport Shuttle, but the airport schedule seems to be too varied to be rely on a service like Embark that runs only during certain hours of the weekday and weekend.
I would support a light rail/monorail service that ran from the airport to airport hotel district, on Meridian over to State Fair Park, and meet up with the street car in downtown.
If doing rail it seems way more realistic cost wise to add a spur off the existing line along Newcastle road, which could use existing rail route all the way to the downtown train station, even if need to make additional upgrades. Unfortunately there is not a lot clear musts for stops along the way, the Wheeler District might be one of the more plausible, since they might be willing to build and maintain their own station, but I am not sure if any of the other sizable areas have a large HOA that might do similar for their neighborhood.
Though if the city were not willing to do something with a bus line, which it seems kind of hard to see much other than an express bus from the Airport to the downtown bus hub making much sense. It seems doubtful they are going to be investing the kind of money to do it with rail.
W8N2SKI 06-22-2024, 02:06 PM they are getting ready to build another garage
According to someone in airport operations, the garage is being pushed back another couple of years.
kukblue1 06-23-2024, 11:09 AM Maybe I missed it but is Allegiant no longer having direct flights to Vegas as Aug. Can't book anything past Aug 8th
BoulderSooner 06-24-2024, 09:55 AM According to someone in airport operations, the garage is being pushed back another couple of years.
dang .. that is a bummer
Richard at Remax 06-24-2024, 01:27 PM Maybe I missed it but is Allegiant no longer having direct flights to Vegas as Aug. Can't book anything past Aug 8th
Not only Las Vegas, but seems like Orlando and Destin flights too after Aug 11th. I'd like to think I'm pretty in turn with additional/cancelation of routes and I can't find anything anywhere about the flights going away. Maybe a new schedule is being finalized?
dheinz44 06-24-2024, 01:42 PM Not only Las Vegas, but seems like Orlando and Destin flights too after Aug 11th. I'd like to think I'm pretty in turn with additional/cancelation of routes and I can't find anything anywhere about the flights going away. Maybe a new schedule is being finalized?
I think those flights have always been seasonal. I went to Destin last October and tried to go through Allegiant but the route ended in August like it will this year.
bison34 06-24-2024, 01:52 PM Hopefully they aren't losing faith in the OKC market.
BG918 06-24-2024, 03:14 PM I think those flights have always been seasonal. I went to Destin last October and tried to go through Allegiant but the route ended in August like it will this year.
Yet XNA still has Destin flights through October, along with nonstops to BNA, FLL and AZA that OKC/TUL don't have. XNA must be a better market for them (high income growth area and lack of Southwest probably doesn't hurt either).
Richard at Remax 06-24-2024, 04:52 PM As far as I know the Vegas flights have never been seasonal
shavethewhales 06-26-2024, 12:40 PM I was looking at flying Allegiant from Tulsa and it seems like they have severely pulled back from TUL as well. I think with the shortage of pilots and planes these days, airlines are cutting back on routes that aren't routinely full.
Here's a recent article that cites a few route cuts due to delays in getting new planes:
https://www.wrex.com/news/allegiant-airlines-to-cut-routes-including-rockford-flights-due-to-boeing-delivery-delays/article_969def2c-28d7-11ef-ba3c-db74983386e4.html
BG918 06-26-2024, 05:20 PM I was looking at flying Allegiant from Tulsa and it seems like they have severely pulled back from TUL as well. I think with the shortage of pilots and planes these days, airlines are cutting back on routes that aren't routinely full.
Here's a recent article that cites a few route cuts due to delays in getting new planes:
https://www.wrex.com/news/allegiant-airlines-to-cut-routes-including-rockford-flights-due-to-boeing-delivery-delays/article_969def2c-28d7-11ef-ba3c-db74983386e4.html
Yeah I flew Allegiant to Destin last Labor Day weekend and was planning on doing it again this year but they end OKC/TUL-VPS in August instead of October like last year.
Richard at Remax 07-10-2024, 08:35 AM "Seasonal break"
19007
BG918 07-10-2024, 09:03 AM "Seasonal break"
19007
Interesting. They are still flying their normal fall/winter schedule from TUL to LAS, SFB and LAX but ended VPS and PIE two months earlier than they did last year (those usually come back in time for spring break in March)
gopokes88 07-15-2024, 01:51 PM June is out, another solid month of growth.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/June%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
gopokes88 08-13-2024, 12:04 PM July is out. Great month, Delta off but AA WN and Frontier showing great growth. https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/July%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
Up 5.75% and 5.81% for the year
BG918 08-13-2024, 01:59 PM July is out. Great month, Delta off but AA WN and Frontier showing great growth. https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/July%202024%20Enplanement.pdf
Up 5.75% and 5.81% for the year
Frontier is surprising considering they just have 4x/weekly non-stops to Las Vegas and 1x daily non-stops to Denver (11 flights/week).
HOT ROD 08-14-2024, 12:06 AM Nice to see Alaska airlines bounce back as well. WTH is going on with Delta!
Anonymous. 08-14-2024, 07:55 AM I think Delta was heavily affected by the CrowdStrike outage compared to the other airlines.
LakeEffect 08-14-2024, 09:17 AM I think Delta was heavily affected by the CrowdStrike outage compared to the other airlines.
Yep. They had a meltdown with crew scheduling after the outage...
Celebrator 08-14-2024, 11:05 AM Yep. They had a meltdown with crew scheduling after the outage...
They will suffer bad PR effects from that for probably a year or so, just like WN did after their Christmastime meltdown in, what 2022, was it? We have flown WN all summer multiple times and the on-time performance and baggage handling has been on point! Impressed. However, I really feel like their staff is not as happy and kind and helpful as they were prior to the global air shutdown. And their customer service used to be the envy of the industry. I know the traveling public is hard to deal with all day through multiple rotations, but let's see a little joy even if it's faked!
okcrun 08-15-2024, 04:03 PM Frontier is surprising considering they just have 4x/weekly non-stops to Las Vegas and 1x daily non-stops to Denver (11 flights/week).
I fly with them almost exclusively (50k miles last year) and I'd say their schedule changes all the time, most of the year there aren't daily flights to Denver. My guess is the growth is just increased frequency. That being said, the flights I've been on this summer have been completely full or at least close to it. From an occupancy standpoint our routes seem better than a lot of others I fly with Frontier. I'm hoping at some point soon we get another route added since they have a dedicated gate sitting empty most of the time.
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