There have been multiple articles just like that in the Tulsa newspaper. Either there is nothing to talk about in Tulsa, or there is a lot of movement behind the scenes and likely an LOI of some kind with an airline for an international flight or 2 as soon as able. OKC's customs center hasn't been finished, and has been stagnant, for well over a year, with no signs of movement happening anytime soon.

Post links to the ones that indicate that there is anything like this going on.

My wife and I recently flew JSX (https://www.jsx.com/home/search) out of Dallas Love Field over the holidays--extremely impressed. Out of curiosity, I emailed JSX to see if they had any intent on expanding operations to either KOKC or KPWA--unfortunately not at this time.

December 2023 passenger boarding/emplanement report released today.

2023 total passenger count: 4,400,049. Passenger count has virtually recovered from 2019 pre-pandemic record high of 4,419,119.

2023 Review 2024 Preview out. https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/2024%20Airport%20Preview.pdf

Just bad communication over there by the that airport director.

"Logo/Brand Update – Underway and complete 1st Qt 2024"

That was fast

Gate swaps might be coming soon. "Airline Rates – New airline lease negotiation underway and complete 2nd
QT 2024"

December here https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/December%202023%20Enplanement.pdf

as I had suspected. Now, let's push for 5 million and never lower.

And, happy to hear about the gate swaps. American or WN deserves those East gates more than DL.

I’ve mentioned in the past I usually fly on Delta and I love the new east gates but assuming Delta does lose those, I won’t be sad at all. I can only speak to the times I’m there but it seems like there’s never more than 2 gates being used at the same time. I’d be very surprised if the area as a whole is more than 1/3 in-use, even during the morning flights. Everyone knows that but even being biased towards Delta, they fumbled big time with the new gates.

"Logo/Brand Update – Underway and complete 1st Qt 2024"

That was fast

Gate swaps might be coming soon. "Airline Rates – New airline lease negotiation underway and complete 2nd
QT 2024"

So the rebrand was what I thought it was and not an attempt to change the name to the Oklahoma City International Airport of Oklahoma or something like that lol. Good to know.

hasnt been announced/released yet. You can BET that Oklahoma City or OKC will be part of the branding, and World will be dropped.

hasnt been announced/released yet. You can BET that Oklahoma City or OKC will be part of the branding, and World will be dropped.

What are you basing that on? My guess is that neither is happening. Nothing I’ve seen or heard indicates that that rebranding means renaming in this case.

I just want an updated website that's not from 2010

I just want an updated website that's not from 2010

I can't believe it is still so outdated on the map.

hasnt been announced/released yet. You can BET that Oklahoma City or OKC will be part of the branding, and World will be dropped.

“International” or “World” will absolutely be in the updated name…..especially with the new CBP facility and push for international routes.

Dallas-Fort Worth INTERNATIONAL Airport
Austin Bergstrom INTERNATIONAL Airport
Kansas City INTERNATIONAL Airport
St Louis Lambert INTERNATIONAL Airport
George Bush INTERCONTINENTAL Airport

When did WRWA switch from Delaware North to Paradies? I think Paradies is the main reason there has been a huge improvement. I wish they would takeover F&B operations at TUL which look like WRWA 5 years ago

Man, if it used to be Delaware North, I'm shocked that the Thunder can still put OKC on logo wear without paying them a huge royalty.


(Context: Delaware North files for trademarks for everything they have anything to do with, even if they had nothing to do with creation of those trademarks, see Yosemite National Park and Space Shuttle Atlantis.)

I just want an updated website that's not from 2010

I would almost guarantee that this type of thing is what the rebrand will change. Don’t think the name is changing.

We are traveling this weekend to Florida. With the cancellations and delays the last several days, does anyone on her think that will all be accounted for come this weekend? Luckily we have a direct flight, but with so many delays due to weather, I wanted to ask.

I would personally think you will be ok. with good weather airlines tend to get back on track fairly quickly

I would personally think you will be ok. with good weather airlines tend to get back on track fairly quickly

I would hope so as well. We are traveling to Orlando, but it is through Southwest and I know the weather a year or so ago reeked havoc on their travel for weeks. I would hope it wouldn't do the same thing.

“International” or “World” will absolutely be in the updated name…..especially with the new CBP facility and push for international routes.

Dallas-Fort Worth INTERNATIONAL Airport
Austin Bergstrom INTERNATIONAL Airport
Kansas City INTERNATIONAL Airport
St Louis Lambert INTERNATIONAL Airport
George Bush INTERCONTINENTAL Airport

I said World would be dropped. I didn't say International wouldn't be the replacement.

We probably should be posting at the Will Rogers World Airport thread, not this one.

New routes aside, I would like to see Alaska run 2x a day to Seattle. Maybe a 7-8am flight there, then a 3-5pm flight back.

I'm going to a wedding there in July just outside of Seattle. We get in around 530pm which is just fine with me. However, the n/s flight at 8:55am on a Sunday is just brutal. Really cuts the weekend short. Plus, it's $494/person one way. If you want to leave on Monday its $919!! OOOF.

Does anyone know how full their planes are flying and if it might be worth adding another one?

New routes aside, I would like to see Alaska run 2x a day to Seattle. Maybe a 7-8am flight there, then a 3-5pm flight back.

I'm going to a wedding there in July just outside of Seattle. We get in around 530pm which is just fine with me. However, the n/s flight at 8:55am on a Sunday is just brutal. Really cuts the weekend short. Plus, it's $494/person one way. If you want to leave on Monday its $919!! OOOF.

Does anyone know how full their planes are flying and if it might be worth adding another one?

We did the flight from OKC to Seattle back in July to go on an Alaskan Cruise out of Vancouver. We are used to flying SW, so we picked our seats ahead of time and then told my parents about the flight in case they wanted to do the same thing. They looked at it two weeks later and only middle seats were available. If it wasn't completely full, it was at least 95% full.

New routes aside, I would like to see Alaska run 2x a day to Seattle. Maybe a 7-8am flight there, then a 3-5pm flight back.

I'm going to a wedding there in July just outside of Seattle. We get in around 530pm which is just fine with me. However, the n/s flight at 8:55am on a Sunday is just brutal. Really cuts the weekend short. Plus, it's $494/person one way. If you want to leave on Monday its $919!! OOOF.

Does anyone know how full their planes are flying and if it might be worth adding another one?

You can ballpark it. Take the number of passengers they enplane/deplane from the monthly data, and divide it up by the # of days in the month since they only fly once a day. Their planes hold either 178 pax (737-900) or 159 pax (737-800). Course there could also be the occasional cancellation that throws things off a bit, but it gives a rough estimate. Agreed that a second one, even on a smaller ERJ, would be nice.

So, for example, in December (https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/December%202023%20Enplanement.pdf) (an admittedly busy month), they had an average of 137 pax on the OKC-SEA leg and 128 pax on the SEA-OKC leg, assuming no cancellations in December.

You can ballpark it. Take the number of passengers they enplane/deplane from the monthly data, and divide it up by the # of days in the month since they only fly once a day. Their planes hold either 178 pax (737-900) or 159 pax (737-800). Course there could also be the occasional cancellation that throws things off a bit, but it gives a rough estimate. Agreed that a second one, even on a smaller ERJ, would be nice.

So, for example, in December (https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/December%202023%20Enplanement.pdf) (an admittedly busy month), they had an average of 137 pax on the OKC-SEA leg and 128 pax on the SEA-OKC leg, assuming no cancellations in December.

Thanks!

I've only been on the 737-800 every time I have flown it so I assume that's the one to go off of. Looks like both inbound and outbound are over 80% occupancy, which I would assume is pretty good? With the return prices the way they are I'm not surprised they had a down month compared to the year before. Much cheaper to have a connection.

We did the flight from OKC to Seattle back in July to go on an Alaskan Cruise out of Vancouver. We are used to flying SW, so we picked our seats ahead of time and then told my parents about the flight in case they wanted to do the same thing. They looked at it two weeks later and only middle seats were available. If it wasn't completely full, it was at least 95% full.

You can't really tell anything from the seat availability maps online because airlines hide seats to try to get people to pay for upgrades.

You can ballpark it. Take the number of passengers they enplane/deplane from the monthly data, and divide it up by the # of days in the month since they only fly once a day. Their planes hold either 178 pax (737-900) or 159 pax (737-800). Course there could also be the occasional cancellation that throws things off a bit, but it gives a rough estimate. Agreed that a second one, even on a smaller ERJ, would be nice.

So, for example, in December (https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/December%202023%20Enplanement.pdf) (an admittedly busy month), they had an average of 137 pax on the OKC-SEA leg and 128 pax on the SEA-OKC leg, assuming no cancellations in December.

People are fleeing OKC apparently. ;)

Didn't they already up gauge the route? I am pretty sure it was an ERJ-175 when the route started.

People are fleeing OKC apparently. ;)

Didn't they already up gauge the route? I am pretty sure it was an ERJ-175 when the route started.

It was! And honestly the 2-2 configuration in those really isn't bad for the 4 hours up there, a lot better than CRJs.

It was! And honestly the 2-2 configuration in those really isn't bad for the 4 hours up there, a lot better than CRJs.

Yeah, I really enjoy flying on the ERJ-175s, by far the best regional jet. Probably better than 737 and A320 Family as well. CRJs are the worst regional jets, but at least they aren't an ATR.

Airbus A220 (https://aircraft.airbus.com/en/aircraft/a220) is probably the best rj, if it's even considered an rj.

Airbus A220 (https://aircraft.airbus.com/en/aircraft/a220) is probably the best rj, if it's even considered an rj.

I don't think it is really considered an RJ, as it is operated by mainline and the size of the small 737s. I've never flown on one, but I have a friend that works on them and talk about how many issues they have. Lots of corrosion issues, even though they are less than 6 years old.

Airbus A220 (https://aircraft.airbus.com/en/aircraft/a220) is probably the best rj, if it's even considered an rj.

Finally got to try one last summer, CDG-BER on AF. I was impressed with the comfortable layout (2-2 abreast) and roominess of the whole cabin.

Finally got to try one last summer, CDG-BER on AF. I was impressed with the comfortable layout (2-2 abreast) and roominess of the whole cabin.

It seems the A220 is in a 3-2 layout for all the airlines.
I’m not sure we have seen one in OKC yet. Maybe Delta will put it on the Atlanta line.

It seems the A220 is in a 3-2 layout for all the airlines.
I’m not sure we have seen one in OKC yet. Maybe Delta will put it on the Atlanta line.

Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought it was 2-2. Well, regardless it felt very comfortable.

Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought it was 2-2. Well, regardless it felt very comfortable.

That is an option, but most airlines seem only to do a 2-2 configuration with it in premium seating.

There are some arguments for it for airlines trying to position themselves as a premium service or maybe have some percentage of their fleet more comfortable that service longer routes, however this is against the trend in the industry overall on passenger space.

Best regional jet to operate out of OKC was United's CRJ550...killed off by COVID and never returned as far as I know.

Best regional jet to operate out of OKC was United's CRJ550...killed off by COVID and never returned as far as I know.

It’s the most tolerable CRJ. I thought I was on one from OKC to O’Hare back in October.

On January 8, AA changed aircraft at SWO from CRJ-700 to ERJ-170. A small change, but nice for those flying via SWO. I haven't flown out of there in over a year, but continue to hear good things.
A legitimate new terminal and new access roads expected in the next 3-5 years.

My wish list for every airline:
Delta - JFK (followed by BOS, DTW)
United - EWR (followed by IAD, SFO)
American - JFK (followed by PHL)
Southwest - TPA
Air Canada - YYZ (OKC, MEM, MKE are the only 3 NBA cities without a flight. CBP is in YYZ so it's a "domestic" flight)

most of those are just restoration of the airline hubs. Imagine what our numbers would be if OKC had flights to all of the airline hubs, we had 4.3 million without it.

although true that Toronto has CBP, OKC will have FIS soon too - so the flight could go either way. I suspect OKC will have flights to Mexico/Latin America first for international.

Here is January's Enplanement report: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/January%202024%20Enplanement.pdf

Looks like modest growth from last January, 2.70% higher. Southwest (and Frontier of all airlines) leading the way. Not crazy growth, but growth nonetheless.

Hard to get massive growth when there are minimal changes from last year. Not many larger planes or new routes, or even additional frequencies. This year, if there are no changes, will be almost stagnant.

Here is January's Enplanement report: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/January%202024%20Enplanement.pdf

Looks like modest growth from last January, 2.70% higher. Southwest (and Frontier of all airlines) leading the way. Not crazy growth, but growth nonetheless.

Glad to see Frontier doing well. Super cheap flights to Denver and Vegas. Hopefully they add another route or at least up the frequency.

Had nice flights from OKC to LAX and back this past weekend on AA. Full flights each way

Here is January's Enplanement report: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/January%202024%20Enplanement.pdf

Looks like modest growth from last January, 2.70% higher. Southwest (and Frontier of all airlines) leading the way. Not crazy growth, but growth nonetheless.

Wonder what's up with alaska

Glad to see Frontier doing well. Super cheap flights to Denver and Vegas. Hopefully they add another route or at least up the frequency.

Wish we could get Frontier back at TUL. Loved their cheap Denver flights, and they brought the average Denver fare down for Southwest and United. Same for Vegas. At one time pre-Covid Frontier had flights from TUL to SAN, LAS, DEN, SAT and IAD..

Wonder what's up with alaska

It is a little eye opening. I will say, Alaska's fares lately have been really expensive so maybe that had something to do with people looking at other options. I'm looking at fares for July and from Wednesday to Sunday, it's $1352.40 roundtrip for two! I might have to find alternate routes up there

It is a little eye opening. I will say, Alaska's fares lately have been really expensive so maybe that had something to do with people looking at other options. I'm looking at fares for July and from Wednesday to Sunday, it's $1352.40 roundtrip for two! I might have to find alternate routes up there

that's high-ish. $400 round trip for coach on a legacy seems to be the norm

About Alaska, did they have to cancel flights because of the 737max 9 / 900 debacle and the following Faa stoppage ?

A couple of cancelled round trip would match the difference in pasengers.

good point

A quick glance,looks like Alaska had 5 cancelled flights in January.

Hard to get massive growth when there are minimal changes from last year. Not many larger planes or new routes, or even additional frequencies. This year, if there are no changes, will be almost stagnant.

I'd blame the airport director.

I'd blame the airport director.

Awe, I'm living rent free, still! Thank you!

Awe, I'm living rent free, still! Thank you!

Do I get a prize for the next time I guess your identity after being banned? :p

The extent to which we are underserved is getting slightly concerning

To channel Catch, by the lack of new routes or increased frequency shows the airlines think we are right where we need to be. It is a bit annoying thought to see new routes from all sorts of sizes of cities. Frontier and Allegiant had pretty big route expansions over the last few weeks and us and Tulsa were still left out. Not a ton of domestic expansion out of legacy carriers tho. The only real big one has been delta capturing some of the lost routes from Austin. Still hoping AA brings back PHL soon.

Hatch Early Mood Food opening at WRWA. No specifc date was mentioned, but their banner is up in the terminal covering the entry location.

This is one of six planned new Hatch locations the Provisions Concepts group will be opening in '24.

Airport location opened yesterday February 20th.

Anecdotal for sure, but last weekend's OKC-DCA flight was full as appeared OKC-LGA, and coming back DCA-OKC full. Any hope for OKC-BOS????

American phasing out all 50 seater jets by 2030. Large order of jets to help with up-gauging routes. https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-aircraft-order-airbus-embraer-boeing-737-max-10/

Flew RT OKC=>ORD=>BTV mid-January for $570. Need to do it again Mid-March. $1337. WTH airlines? Virtually same days and itinerary.

That is the Monday of spring break, depending on when in mid-March you're going.