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Pete
11-06-2023, 08:51 AM
Two former Mahagony proprietors, Dave Osborn and Jason Pool, are opening Symmetry today (11/6) located in Casady Square at 9203 North Pennsylvania Avenue.


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Executive Chef Glenn Scott has created a menu of traditional favorites with a modern flair.

Beautiful space with a large semi-circular bar featuring fine wine and craft cocktails.

Hours: Bar opens at 4pm, Dinner service: 5pm-10pm Monday-Saturday and reservations can be made online.



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Roger S
11-06-2023, 09:40 AM
This looks like Mahogany elevated several levels.

May have to make this my birthday dinner this year.... That Burrata Caprese and dry aged Cowboy Ribeye are calling to me!

OKCRealtor
11-06-2023, 09:49 AM
Looks an awful lot like Mahogany...

I know there's a lot of high end clientele in the area but not a fan of the location for something like this.

Hopefully they do well, restaurants are a beast.

chssooner
11-06-2023, 10:16 AM
Looks an awful lot like Mahogany...

I know there's a lot of high end clientele in the area but not a fan of the location for something like this.

Hopefully they do well, restaurants are a beast.

Why not?

BoulderSooner
11-06-2023, 10:26 AM
but not a fan of the location for something like this.

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they didn't choose the location .. this is where the kitchen and bar where located ..

OKCRealtor
11-06-2023, 10:50 AM
Why not?

That area overall around there is very iffy as you continue to go north & east. It's basically going to have to rely on Nichols Hills supporting it and is still very close to the Ranch. This is kinda off the beaten path if you're not hyper local around there IMO. I had same opinion before the Vault opened.

Rover
11-06-2023, 11:41 AM
That area overall around there is very iffy as you continue to go north & east. It's basically going to have to rely on Nichols Hills supporting it and is still very close to the Ranch. This is kinda off the beaten path if you're not hyper local around there IMO. I had same opinion before the Vault opened.

If the food is good this will do just fine. They aren't expecting to draw from lower income areas, but there is a substantial population that can afford it that will find this easy to get to. I'm in Glenbrook and pass this area twice a day. It's actually very convenient. Also for Quail Creek area.

corwin1968
11-06-2023, 11:42 AM
Just as an aside, Mattie's coffee shop in that shopping center is one of the better ones I've tried in the Metro. Also a big fan of 1492, but doubtful we'll splurge for something like Symmetry.

Sydonesia
11-06-2023, 12:33 PM
I will second the Mattie's love. My gf is OBSESSED with them. Saturday mornings are a required stop. And there is no better deal to me than Taco Tuesdays at 1492. You can get absolutely stuffed for $10.

The Vault seemingly closed in record time (and never seemed remotely busy, I live a few blocks south and there were nights I couldn't tell if they were even open.) Not sure what Symmetry is offering that is different, but I hope they are able to do better.

Pete
11-06-2023, 12:43 PM
I could see the Vault had no idea what they were doing when I went out there to meet with them before opening. I hoped to be wrong, but if anything things were worse than I feared.

They did a great job with the space, however, and this new group just took over and added their own touches.

Long-term Hal Smith alums generally know how to run a restaurant.

Dr Beard Face
11-06-2023, 03:39 PM
Any high end place that opens in a strip mall is instantly downgraded in my mind. This space looks beautiful, but the strip center outside and pixelated menu just DESTROYS the vibe for me. It looks way better than Steak the Experience, but that place was EXACTLY what I think of for "high end" strip mall restaurants. I have no idea why, but this is just a prejudice that is in my head. Other than Steak, i don't even have anything to base this on! I hope This place proves my instinct wrong.

BoulderSooner
11-06-2023, 05:00 PM
Any high end place that opens in a strip mall is instantly downgraded in my mind. This space looks beautiful, but the strip center outside and pixelated menu just DESTROYS the vibe for me. It looks way better than Steak the Experience, but that place was EXACTLY what I think of for "high end" strip mall restaurants. I have no idea why, but this is just a prejudice that is in my head. Other than Steak, i don't even have anything to base this on! I hope This place proves my instinct wrong.

signature grill is one of the very best restaurants in the metro ..

amaesquire
11-06-2023, 05:06 PM
signature grill is one of the very best restaurants in the metro ..

I was just about to say the same thing!

Pete
11-06-2023, 05:39 PM
These guys are being super smart about their first crack at starting something completely their own.

The space was recently completely finished out and I bet the barely-used kitchen equipment stayed as well. They were able to come in, apply their own touches, and be up and running with little capital expense. That's quite resourceful.

They clearly know how to run high-end restaurants and this is a great way to get started.


I'm not a steak person but I'm planning to give it a try. I really like the space and the location as well.

Sydonesia
11-06-2023, 06:59 PM
Any high end place that opens in a strip mall is instantly downgraded in my mind. This space looks beautiful, but the strip center outside and pixelated menu just DESTROYS the vibe for me. It looks way better than Steak the Experience, but that place was EXACTLY what I think of for "high end" strip mall restaurants. I have no idea why, but this is just a prejudice that is in my head. Other than Steak, i don't even have anything to base this on! I hope This place proves my instinct wrong.

That reminds me that I've been within walking distance of Michael's Grill for about 14 years now and I've still never been.

chssooner
11-06-2023, 07:32 PM
That reminds me that I've been within walking distance of Michael's Grill for about 14 years now and I've still never been.

It is phenomenal! You should go. Don't let uppity things like it not being a stand-alone restaurant keep you from an amazing meal.

It is in a very wealthy area of OKC, so it is upscale, but affordable to where it isn't a once a year place.

BG918
11-06-2023, 08:08 PM
Any high end place that opens in a strip mall is instantly downgraded in my mind. This space looks beautiful, but the strip center outside and pixelated menu just DESTROYS the vibe for me. It looks way better than Steak the Experience, but that place was EXACTLY what I think of for "high end" strip mall restaurants. I have no idea why, but this is just a prejudice that is in my head. Other than Steak, i don't even have anything to base this on! I hope This place proves my instinct wrong.

Ha I feel the same way. Though usually some of the best ethnic restaurants are in strip malls. In Tulsa, Bodean’s is one of best seafood restaurants and is in a strip mall.

OKCRealtor
11-07-2023, 07:19 AM
They'll have a fighting chance since they're at least good experienced operators but that alone won't be enough. Anyone who has seen restaurant P&L's can attest. Lots of examples of great operators with failed concepts. Location, location, location as in real estate. It's essentially another high end steak house for which the competition is already fierce. Why not create something unique and not a Mahogany knock off?

Dob Hooligan
11-07-2023, 08:23 AM
They'll have a fighting chance since they're at least good experienced operators but that alone won't be enough. Anyone who has seen restaurant P&L's can attest. Lots of examples of great operators with failed concepts. Location, location, location as in real estate. It's essentially another high end steak house for which the competition is already fierce. Why not create something unique and not a Mahogany knock off?

Because they are very good and experienced with the concept. Competition is fierce because they are popular. And have a high profit margin when well operated.

I was told the property owner was the primary investor in the build out and opening of The Vault, when it was in this space a year ago. I'm guessing over 90% of the furniture, fixtures and equipment are retained. It was a high end design, just looking for a better operator.

citywokchinesefood
11-07-2023, 10:22 AM
If you don't know you just don't know. Dave and Jason are both incredibly competent, confident, and consistent. I understand some issues with the location, but they are going to do just fine. They have brain and talent raped the Hog and that's okay because personally I think HSRG is a bit soulless at this point. It just doesn't feel local anymore. You are going to see a lot of former Hog staff here for sure all things considered. This place WILL NOT BE CUTTING EDGE FINE DINING. It will be extremely consistent with food and service being well above average for the metro. They are going to do just fine, and if you think the location is going to kill them you just do not know the restaurant industry in Oklahoma very well. Steak the experience was going to be an absolute ****hole from the start. If you actually worked/invested in restaurants you would know. This place will build its own identity and do well. For the record, I know Dave and Jason professionally. I am nowhere close to a friend to either of them. I just know and respect them on a professional level. They have built solid reputations in the industry in this city. It would be bad money to bet against them.

ditm4567
11-07-2023, 04:02 PM
Wife and I went in last night for drinks. Nice atmosphere--mixture of Mahogany and Red Prime. The entire bar was full, as well as most of the tables. We didn't try food as we were heading elsewhere for dinner, but all the food that passed us looked and smelled very good. Will definitely be back. One thing I noticed was the caliber of vehicles parked out front--Rolls Royce, Maybach, etc. Also, never in my life would I think this was a bad thing, but there might have been too much wait staff...

OkieBerto
11-08-2023, 10:38 AM
Wife and I went in last night for drinks. Nice atmosphere--mixture of Mahogany and Red Prime. The entire bar was full, as well as most of the tables. We didn't try food as we were heading elsewhere for dinner, but all the food that passed us looked and smelled very good. Will definitely be back. One thing I noticed was the caliber of vehicles parked out front--Rolls Royce, Maybach, etc. Also, never in my life would I think this was a bad thing, but there might have been too much wait staff...

Must be the people who usually park in front of Broadway 10. Haha! This is likely a place I will only try once. I think it looks great, but it is definitely not in my price range.

Rover
11-08-2023, 03:40 PM
They'll have a fighting chance since they're at least good experienced operators but that alone won't be enough. Anyone who has seen restaurant P&L's can attest. Lots of examples of great operators with failed concepts. Location, location, location as in real estate. It's essentially another high end steak house for which the competition is already fierce. Why not create something unique and not a Mahogany knock off?

The Ranch isn't in a great location. Others failed there. Isn't an imaginative menu. Is very high priced. And yet, they are packed all the time. Because they are GOOD.

I know the rote real estate pitch is that location is everything, but it isn't really. That discredits the business and the owners of the business. Besides, sitting on just the north side of Nichols Hills and just south of Quail Creek isn't a bad place to be anyway.

OkieBerto
11-08-2023, 03:47 PM
The Ranch isn't in a great location. Others failed there. Isn't an imaginative menu. Is very high priced. And yet, they are packed all the time. Because they are GOOD.

I was talking to someone just today about how they should try Symmetry and they are regulars at The Ranch. He basically said, "Why go there if I already have the Ranch?" So I can see how that can work both ways. Some will want a change and some will want to just keep with the Ranch just a mile down the road.

sooner88
11-08-2023, 03:52 PM
I was talking to someone just today about how they should try Symmetry and they are regulars at The Ranch. He basically said, "Why go there if I already have the Ranch?" So I can see how that can work both ways. Some will want a change and some will want to just keep with the Ranch just a mile down the road.

There's the Ranch, Michael's Grill and OKCGCC all within 1 mile of Symmetry. That's tough competition for new business offering similar price point options. Hopefully this does well and they can develop a regular crowd from people in the surrounding area, but that's tough competition.

Rover
11-09-2023, 08:13 AM
There's the Ranch, Michael's Grill and OKCGCC all within 1 mile of Symmetry. That's tough competition for new business offering similar price point options. Hopefully this does well and they can develop a regular crowd from people in the surrounding area, but that's tough competition.

Michael’s is a very different menu and setting. A country club is a whole different animal and way more don’t belong than belong. Ranch is the real competitor, but the ambiance looks to be entirely different.

sooner88
11-09-2023, 09:35 AM
Michael’s is a very different menu and setting. A country club is a whole different animal and way more don’t belong than belong. Ranch is the real competitor, but the ambiance looks to be entirely different.

While the menus may differ, they are staples for the residents nearby Symmetry. They’ll need to siphon off business from all 3 to be successful imo.

Rover
11-09-2023, 09:49 AM
While the menus may differ, they are staples for the residents nearby Symmetry. They’ll need to siphon off business from all 3 to be successful imo.

A country club isn’t the same as a restaurant. And you must be claiming there is no more room for a new quality restaurant. LOL. Many people will give this a try and if it is really good, they will go back. Sometimes the new spot has an advantage because it IS new and a change. Maybe it is the Ranch that will need to shore up their business. I love the competition. It ups everyone’s game. OKC is big enough for the two of them.

emounger
11-10-2023, 08:43 AM
I'll be honest. I don't see what's so great about The Ranch. We went last week for the first time and for the amount of money spent we were a little disappointed. The steaks were overdone (ordered medium rare and came out closer to medium well), hard to cut, and the sides were average. Maybe just an off night, I guess. Looking forward to checking out Symmetry since it's just down the street.

Shortsyeararound
11-10-2023, 09:24 AM
I'll be honest. I don't see what's so great about The Ranch. We went last week for the first time and for the amount of money spent we were a little disappointed. The steaks were overdone (ordered medium rare and came out closer to medium well), hard to cut, and the sides were average. Maybe just an off night, I guess. Looking forward to checking out Symmetry since it's just down the street.

I am with you. We went there last year and the dinner, while good, was a bit overpriced for what we got. Also, I think the ambience may have something to do with that. It was noisy as hell in our area and we were seated under a vent that was blowing cold cold air.

April in the Plaza
11-10-2023, 10:10 AM
I am with you. We went there last year and the dinner, while good, was a bit overpriced for what we got. Also, I think the ambience may have something to do with that. It was noisy as hell in our area and we were seated under a vent that was blowing cold cold air.

Yea, the high-end steakhouse business requires a different approach than the retail furniture business, and I’m not sure the new ownership group has adjusted to that reality.

BoulderSooner
11-10-2023, 10:12 AM
Yea, the high-end steakhouse business requires a different approach than the retail furniture business, and I’m not sure the new ownership group has adjusted to that reality.

new ownership group??

Rover
11-10-2023, 11:31 AM
I'll be honest. I don't see what's so great about The Ranch. We went last week for the first time and for the amount of money spent we were a little disappointed. The steaks were overdone (ordered medium rare and came out closer to medium well), hard to cut, and the sides were average. Maybe just an off night, I guess. Looking forward to checking out Symmetry since it's just down the street.

By my experience, that is an uncommon experience. But then I will send a steak back if it is not cooked as I asked for. They are generally very accomodating at the Ranch. But, I've also seen people get upset when they got what they asked for, but figured out it wasn't what they wanted. Never seen the staff argue with anyone or treat them poorly. And, as for the vent with Shorts, just asked to be moved. I doubt they wouldn't accomodate.

Shortsyeararound
11-10-2023, 11:35 AM
By my experience, that is an uncommon experience. But then I will send a steak back if it is not cooked as I asked for. They are generally very accomodating at the Ranch. But, I've also seen people get upset when they got what they asked for, but figured out it wasn't what they wanted. Never seen the staff argue with anyone or treat them poorly. And, as for the vent with Shorts, just asked to be moved. I doubt they wouldn't accomodate.

They were packed that night and there were no other options. We asked if they could adjust vent but couldn't and couldn't turn down either. If we wanted to have our first meal there then we were stuck in that situation.

TheTravellers
11-10-2023, 11:38 AM
By my experience, that is an uncommon experience. But then I will send a steak back if it is not cooked as I asked for. They are generally very accomodating at the Ranch. But, I've also seen people get upset when they got what they asked for, but figured out it wasn't what they wanted. Never seen the staff argue with anyone or treat them poorly. And, as for the vent with Shorts, just asked to be moved. I doubt they wouldn't accomodate.

Horrible seating was our experience at the Ranch - annoying kids (6-10 yrs old maybe) and idiot parents sat down at the table across from us about 1/3 of the way through our meal, in an almost empty restaurant. Completely f-ed up the atmosphere and no, we weren't going to move our entire set of plates and glasses and silverware when we're partway through the meal, they should *never* have sat that table anywhere close to another occupied table. Food was good, though, but too many other places to go to than one with a clueless host that does that kind of seating.

FighttheGoodFight
11-10-2023, 11:40 AM
I eat at the Ranch a couple of times a year. Always had a perfectly cooked steak and they always ask you to cut into it to make sure it is right.

I also enjoy Red Prime and the one time I went to Mahgony I enjoyed that as well. I keep going back to the ranch because I love their steaks, sides and service.

Pete
11-15-2023, 07:42 PM
Just had drinks at Symmetry and that place was absolutely hopping on a Wednesday night.

Was very much the Nichols Hills crowd but I liked the vibe a lot.

I think this place is going to do very well.

BBQisgoodfood
11-15-2023, 07:51 PM
Yea, the high-end steakhouse business requires a different approach than the retail furniture business, and I’m not sure the new ownership group has adjusted to that reality.

Curious. What new ownership group?

Teo9969
11-18-2023, 08:28 PM
Curious. What new ownership group?

There isn't new ownership, but perhaps April didn't know that the Mathis Brothers have always owned the concept. It was a joint venture originally between the Mathis Bros and Pete Holloway (in fact, the legal name of at least the May location is "Mathis Holloway LLC") but in 2005 (?) Mathis bought Holloway out of the concept entirely and renamed it from "501 Ranch Steakhouse" to "The Ranch Steakhouse". Especially in the late aughts and early 2010s, you could still see a bunch of resemblance between Ranch and Boulevard.