Plus west of I-40 & Frisco Road is still OKC, so it seems questionable how much that is going to make OKC leadership more for it.


they were against because of the mass protests against it .. that would not be the same that far west

and like it or not that neighborhood is not in OKC

they were against because of the mass protests against it .. that would not be the same that far west

and like it or not that neighborhood is not in OKC

The plan OKC has been leaning to for expansion of water/sewage in that region is dependent on partnership with Yukon, so even if the existing population likely effected by noise are not in OKC, does not mean that Yukon has no influence with OKC. I do not remember the cost differences exactly between the options they were considering, but the taxes collected by this venue probably would never come close to covering the cost differences of OKC building it's own waste water treatment plant in the area verses partnering with Yukon at the one they already have nearby. There also is the issue of the majority of development for the area would likely be very similar to site they just declined, possibly with more common retail/commercial space.

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Complete line-ups are pretty cool:


Legends of Hip Hop featuring Ice Cube, E-40, and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (I've never seen Cube and would like to, but have seen Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and they're pretty good live in my experience)
Blues Traveler with Big Head Todd and the Monsters (have seen both bands and they were both great live when I saw each of them)
Howard Jones, ABC, Haircut One Hundred (I def want to go to this one)
Slightly Stoopid, Dirty Heads, Hirie, The Expendables (I'd like to see Dirty Heads but not very dialed in on the other acts)
An evening with Cake (saw them years ago, would go again if I didn't have anything better to do that night)


Does have Blues Traveler have a big enough draw to fill up the zoo?

Does have Blues Traveler have a big enough draw to fill up the zoo?
I mean, they're headlining Red Rocks on July 4. Not just any act gets to headline at Red Rocks. I'm guessing the venue is expecting to sell at least a FEW tickets to that show. I no longer subscribe to Pollstar, so can't access the data piece, but after a quick Google search I found that as recently as 2021 they were consistently a top 10 touring act that summer. Big Head Todd has a pretty solid live following too. I'd guess the show will be pretty full.

response (https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/local/2024/04/09/oklahoma-city-council-rejects-notes-live-sunset-amphitheater-rezoning-request/73252115007/) from the developer seems to indicate they are willing to pursue other cites in the city/metro that may be a better fit.

Perhaps there's a way to impress on them the value of having this venue in the downtown area, creating a true entertainment district along with the arena, MLS stadium, Legends Tower/Boardwalk, and so on. ..

I just don't get this love for a downtown amphitheater. There are so very, very few large-scale amphitheaters in downtown areas, for a reason. I can't think of any. Maybe one in Indianapolis. Other than that, I can't think of any in downtown/urban areas. Maybe the Woodlands, but that is a weird thing.

They don't work in downtown areas. I hate the idea, and I hope no one ever tries to build one downtown.

There is a reason they are almost always in suburban areas.

https://chicagophilharmonic.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Jay-Pritzker-Pavilion-at-night-photo-Patrick-Pyszka-scaled.jpg

Why don't they work in downtowns?

response (https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/local/2024/04/09/oklahoma-city-council-rejects-notes-live-sunset-amphitheater-rezoning-request/73252115007/) from the developer seems to indicate they are willing to pursue other cites in the city/metro that may be a better fit.

Perhaps there's a way to impress on them the value of having this venue in the downtown area, creating a true entertainment district along with the arena, MLS stadium, Legends Tower/Boardwalk, and so on. ..

I agree with this.
I'm not a huge concert person, but I thought it was a little out of the way for your average OKC GenPop, to be developed where it was. . . . Coop area, near the riversport district, chisolm creek area (over in that huge empty area by Freddy's frozen custard), even somewhere out by Flix/Chicken n pickle, makes a WHOLE lot more sense to me. But what do I know.

As with any concert venue, it would be darn nice to have restaurants and bars within walking distance for both before and after options.

We'll see if Chisholm Creek can get them interested once again. I suspect the only reason they were looking at the previous site were incentives from the developer.

Why don't they work in downtowns?

Maybe the better question is why do amphitheaters seem to be all in the suburbs? I bet you anything the reasons didn't really apply to the west OKC/Yukon site. I think amphitheater sites are picked either to due to the site being scenic(in the mountains, hills, ocean, etc.). Away from areas where sound would be a concern, or close to a wealthy demographic.

There is a neighborhood directly south Chisholm Creek. So there will be a fight there too.

Why don't they work in downtowns?

Mostly due to finding space for a 10 to 12k amphitheater. And land is more expensive downtown, so the cost, rather than $120 million will be $180 million.

And if you want to have residents downtown, then you will still have the nimby issues.

There are exceptions, but that is all they are, exceptions. Boston doesn't have one, Austin doesn't have one, Houston doesn't have one, Kansas City doesn't, Portland, SLC, I can keep going.

OKC needs a true amphitheater. I won't go into the economics of why a 7k seat amphitheater doesn't work for most concert tours. Just look at the past few years lineups versus Rogers AMP or Albuquerque's Isleta Amp. It isn't fair. Rogers is only 2 or 3k more than the Zoo, but it gets 2x or more thr shows.

Why don't they work in downtowns?

Well, the one mentioned works well:

https://www.livenation.com/venue/KovZpZAEAAJA/everwise-amphitheater-at-white-river-state-park-events

That's probably about 40 shows this year. It's 6,000k too. It's size and location don't prevent it from booking major tours.

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Also, Dos Equis in Dallas isn't exactly suburban.

Maybe the better question is why do amphitheaters seem to be all in the suburbs?

I think mostly just cheap land in large chunks, sometimes subsidized by exurb municipalities. I'm sure noise ordinances have played a part. I lot of the older ones were built before the area around them had much going on.

It's definitely not because of convenience.

Milwaukee has a huge amphitheater right downtown with a capacity of 23,000, 9,200 of the seats covered. Plus several other live music stages on the same Summerfest grounds.

Other than having access to lots of other amenities, downtowns also offer tons of existing parking that is generally empty when concerts are staged, as well as great infrastructure for ingress and egress.

There are dozens of huge ballparks, stadiums, and arenas in downtown areas and in fact the cores of cities are now generally preferred for all the reasons mentioned above.

You guys are proving my point. The exceptions, not the rule. Look at the summer tours, and the amphitheaters they go to. I would say 90% or more are in suburbs or outside of downtown areas.

And people have always viewed outdoor concert venues as burdens that are more trouble than they are worth. Hence why they get built in areas where there are no residents to raise cane (like we just saw).

I just want OKC to get a venue where my favorite modern rock or metal artists, who normally tour in groups of 2 or 3 and play in large amphitheaters, will come to OKC, rather than skipping us entirely over the summer because there is no venue that can make the economics work.

I never meant to say that a downtown one won't work, but it would be expensive, and would likely end up getting TIF funds. Nor do I think the Notes venue was the perfect option. But it is the first one proposed in OKC in decades, and all these other developers will see is that people in OKC were vehemently against it. I would prefer my tax dollars not benefit Rogers, AR or Albuquerque or KC all summer (I go to 4-5 shows a summer, usually). I would go to double if OKC could get the shows.

You guys are proving my point. The exceptions, not the rule. Look at the summer tours, and the amphitheaters they go to. I would say 90% or more are in suburbs or outside of downtown areas.

If downtowns are superior places for people to gather -- and they very much are -- then the lack of amphitheaters in other downtowns would give OKC a booking advantage.

Would be a bigger draw because it's centrally located in terms of population, with great interstate access, excellent ingress and egress and tons of things to do before and after. Sure beats a soulless venue in the middle of a suburban parking lot far from the population center.

If downtowns are superior places for people to gather -- and they very much are -- then the lack of amphitheaters in other downtowns would give OKC a booking advantage.

Would be a bigger draw because it's centrally located in terms of population, with great interstate access, excellent ingress and egress and tons of things to do before and after. Sure beats a soulless venue in the middle of a suburban parking lot far from the population center.

I agree with you on that, for sure. But OKC developers are notorious for not wanting to pay a premium, so we would be subsidizing it majorly in a downtown situation. Notes, at least as of now, was asking for no public funding (they may have later, but who knows).

It would give a booking advantage, yes. But it is just a 50% or more premium versus a soulless venue in suburbia. So I agree with you on that. How much space is needed for a 12k amphitheater? Just acres-wise. I am curious. 100 acres? 70? 50? I am not sure where that exists in downtown, as of now.

I mean, they're headlining Red Rocks on July 4. Not just any act gets to headline at Red Rocks. I'm guessing the venue is expecting to sell at least a FEW tickets to that show. I no longer subscribe to Pollstar, so can't access the data piece, but after a quick Google search I found that as recently as 2021 they were consistently a top 10 touring act that summer. Big Head Todd has a pretty solid live following too. I'd guess the show will be pretty full.

Blues Traveler has played/headlined Red Rocks on July 4th every year since something like 1994. It's a VERY BIG event.

The amphitheater in Milwaukee that Pete mentioned I read that it sits on 12.5 acres of land

I agree with you on that, for sure. But OKC developers are notorious for not wanting to pay a premium, so we would be subsidizing it majorly in a downtown situation. Notes, at least as of now, was asking for no public funding (they may have later, but who knows).

It would give a booking advantage, yes. But it is just a 50% or more premium versus a soulless venue in suburbia. So I agree with you on that. How much space is needed for a 12k amphitheater? Just acres-wise. I am curious. 100 acres? 70? 50? I am not sure where that exists in downtown, as of now.

Fiddlers Green in Denver (Greenwood Village) holds about 18,000 and is on half a city block in a suburban office area. It uses office building and some retail parking.

I think that’s the key, if you’re in a dense suburban area then be sure it’s office and not residential; if it can’t be in a designated entertainment district. To me, the only location in west metro that might work would be near the OKC outlets if the space exists. Chisholm is another location since it’s an entertainment district.

but downtown is the best to me. It’s the prime entertainment center of the state, central and dare I say convenient to the entire OKC metro; with transit existing and much more on the way.

If land is available (which it is) then it could make sense to go along with the other prime entertainment venues, downtown. There should be no nimby downtown since bright lights big city downtowns ARE where the action is supposed to be. If you chose to live there, you know this. Just like your view may not always be guaranteed downtown, for similar reasoning.

for me, I’d love somehow if it could be built incorporating the river. But lumberyard or coop next to the mls stadium is also a good spot.

Yes, only Stonecipher and Cooper voted for it.

I wonder where this will go from here; that's a strong 'no' vote.

Cooper did not vote for it. Carter and Stonecipher did.

I mean, they're headlining Red Rocks on July 4. Not just any act gets to headline at Red Rocks. I'm guessing the venue is expecting to sell at least a FEW tickets to that show. I no longer subscribe to Pollstar, so can't access the data piece, but after a quick Google search I found that as recently as 2021 they were consistently a top 10 touring act that summer. Big Head Todd has a pretty solid live following too. I'd guess the show will be pretty full.

It seems like Blues Traveler and Big Head Todd have pretty decent, long-standing fans that do show up for them. I'm not one of them, but I've got many friends who will follow those bands. I guess since they blew up when we were in college?

I think that’s the key, if you’re in a dense suburban area then be sure it’s office and not residential; if it can’t be in a designated entertainment district. To me, the only location in west metro that might work would be near the OKC outlets if the space exists. Chisholm is another location since it’s an entertainment district.

but downtown is the best to me. It’s the prime entertainment center of the state, central and dare I say convenient to the entire OKC metro; with transit existing and much more on the way.

If land is available (which it is) then it could make sense to go along with the other prime entertainment venues, downtown. There should be no nimby downtown since bright lights big city downtowns ARE where the action is supposed to be. If you chose to live there, you know this. Just like your view may not always be guaranteed downtown, for similar reasoning.

for me, I’d love somehow if it could be built incorporating the river. But lumberyard or coop next to the mls stadium is also a good spot.

Chisholm Creek would work if they put it as far North on the property as they can. I also never got the argument about downtown noise complaints, the residents haven't in the past and they kind of expect it. Downtown is just more expensive land wise, but it is also going to be easier to attract guests.

Chisholm Creek would work if they put it as far North on the property as they can. I also never got the argument about downtown noise complaints, the residents haven't in the past and they kind of expect it. Downtown is just more expensive land wise, but it is also going to be easier to attract guests.

The only things in downtown that might generate even close to those levels of noise were the ballpark and stage in the new central park, which hardly had that many home residences nearby when either went in.

Chisholm Creek would work if they put it as far North on the property as they can. I also never got the argument about downtown noise complaints, the residents haven't in the past and they kind of expect it. Downtown is just more expensive land wise, but it is also going to be easier to attract guests.

there is no good reason for any neighbors to have complaints about the zoo amp either but it happens .. (it was open before anyone alive (and most peoples parents were alive) that live near by)

You guys are proving my point.

Not really, because the ones in urban areas do work. To prove your point you'd have to show examples of amphitheaters in urban areas that have failed to work and not just by some subjective "but they don't get the bands that I want to see!" measure. The ones that have been mentioned work very well and are booked as much as the suburban ones.

Of course, that may not work for a developer looking for cheap land, but it is definitely much better for the fans and the overall experience in general. I know I wouldn't be very motivated to go to where this was originally planned, unless there was no other options for live music. The best part though is there are already other options in OKC to see touring bands.

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The land would be more expensive downtown but they would need less of it because they wouldn't have to build out acres of surface parking.

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The land would be more expensive downtown but they would need less of it because they wouldn't have to build out acres of surface parking.

Good point. The cars often take up more room than the people. And in a denser areas, using ride share would make more sense, reducing the need for parking to begin with.

I would love for it to be a part of the CO-OP redevelopment and have it situated with the audience to the SE where you are looking at DT OKC, but I don't know from a level standpoint if that would work. They would have to dig pretty deep to get that and I am sure it would impede on the outdoor soccer facility footprint.

I think Wheeler should add an amphitheater next to the Ferris Wheel.

I just don't get this love for a downtown amphitheater. There are so very, very few large-scale amphitheaters in downtown areas, for a reason. I can't think of any. Maybe one in Indianapolis. Other than that, I can't think of any in downtown/urban areas. Maybe the Woodlands, but that is a weird thing.

They don't work in downtown areas. I hate the idea, and I hope no one ever tries to build one downtown.

There is a reason they are almost always in suburban areas.

Dallas has a huge one in the fairgrounds right outside of downtown. Dos Equis Pavillion is constantly booked. It's similar to if one was stuck in the old airpark where the temporary one was a few years ago.

You make some wild statements as if they are fact that can easily be disproved by a google search.

I agree with you on that, for sure. But OKC developers are notorious for not wanting to pay a premium, so we would be subsidizing it majorly in a downtown situation. Notes, at least as of now, was asking for no public funding (they may have later, but who knows).

It would give a booking advantage, yes. But it is just a 50% or more premium versus a soulless venue in suburbia. So I agree with you on that. How much space is needed for a 12k amphitheater? Just acres-wise. I am curious. 100 acres? 70? 50? I am not sure where that exists in downtown, as of now.

Again, what are you talking about? What evidence do you have to back the bolded statement up?

Dallas has a huge one in the fairgrounds right outside of downtown. Dos Equis Pavillion is constantly booked. It's similar to if one was stuck in the old airpark where the temporary one was a few years ago.

You make some wild statements as if they are fact that can easily be disproved by a google search.

Dallas' is at the fairgrounds. If OKC wants to put it there, I'm ok with that. Other than that, it isn't in downtown. Nice try, though. Lol

On edit: this was not a good choice by you to compare. It's at the fairgrounds in Dallas. I'm ok with it being at OKC fairgrounds. But don't ever, ever say that Fair Park is in a downtown skyscraper area. That's what we are talking about, not somewhere with houses around it.

Again, what are you talking about? What evidence do you have to back the bolded statement up?

See ask the TIF requests we see in more expensive areas. Not one large project is ever proposed without them. Or multiple requests asking for more.

bison, i don't think anyone is advocating for the amp to be in the downtown skyscraper area. Im not sure if there's any examples of this other than in Chicago, which is extremely successful btw.

I think OKC's downtown options are s of lower bricktown, either the lumberyard or the coop lands. The awesome thing about this, IMO, is that if we were to locate the amp here it could help connect the city core to the boathouse/riversports district. Also, with the (I call MLS) stadium and Boardwalk/Legends going in the same area, we have a natural extension of the urban core.

Pete makes a GREAT point in that yes land is more expensive downtown but you don't need to develop as much AND you can develop other, ancillary uses such as additional housing (with appropriate sound proofing of course - which you'd do anyway in a downtown). And I think the main thing that's being missed is the opportunity to USE transit not just ride sharing.

bison, i don't think anyone is advocating for the amp to be in the downtown skyscraper area. Im not sure if there's any examples of this other than in Chicago, which is extremely successful btw.

I think OKC's downtown options are s of lower bricktown, either the lumberyard or the coop lands. The awesome thing about this, IMO, is that if we were to locate the amp here it could help connect the city core to the boathouse/riversports district. Also, with the (I call MLS) stadium and Boardwalk/Legends going in the same area, we have a natural extension of the urban core.

Pete makes a GREAT point in that yes land is more expensive downtown but you don't need to develop as much AND you can develop other, ancillary uses such as additional housing (with appropriate sound proofing of course - which you'd do anyway in a downtown). And I think the main thing that's being missed is the opportunity to USE transit not just ride sharing.

I would be ok with the fairgrounds, honestly.

I just don't know how you will get past the NIMBY issue if you build at the Coop area or Lumberyard. There will still be residents, and now the City Council has set a precedent that any NIMBY opposition to an amphitheater will be met with a successful challenge. I know it may be slightly different in an entertainment area, but residents will still want their peace and privacy. Something had to have with 12k people at an amphitheater nearby.

I do agree, that a central area would be amazing. Just not sure where it makes sense, cost-benefit standpoint. We shall see. Just hard to see another group trying after this, if Notes decides to back out of OKC completely.

The mention of Dallas's fairgrounds amphitheater is worlds different from considering OKC fairgrounds. Dallas FG is surrounded by museums and other cultural venues. And it's not far east of downtown. OKC fairgrounds needs TONS of development around it to be considered an entertainment district.

See ask the TIF requests we see in more expensive areas. Not one large project is ever proposed without them. Or multiple requests asking for more.

Surely you don't think TIF financing and other development incentives are limited to OKC, right?

Dallas' is at the fairgrounds. If OKC wants to put it there, I'm ok with that. Other than that, it isn't in downtown. Nice try, though. Lol

On edit: this was not a good choice by you to compare. It's at the fairgrounds in Dallas. I'm ok with it being at OKC fairgrounds. But don't ever, ever say that Fair Park is in a downtown skyscraper area. That's what we are talking about, not somewhere with houses around it.

Clearly you haven’t spent much time in Dallas. The fair grounds in Dallas are the same distance away from downtown Dallas as wheeler is from OKC and is directly connected to downtown by a contiguous urban area. Comparing Dos Equis pavilion to something being located near our fairgrounds is a terrible comparison.

No one is suggesting that we drop an amphitheater in the middle of the core of downtown.

See ask the TIF requests we see in more expensive areas. Not one large project is ever proposed without them. Or multiple requests asking for more.

Yes, because if essentially free money from the city is available and historically easy to obtain… what developer would be dumb enough not to apply for it when planning huge project?

Just asking but what NIMBY issue would there be in a COOP location? There is little residential anywhere near it. If a soccer stadium were built there l don't see who would oppose an amphitheater.

I'm not sure where you could build in the metro and not have some element of NIMBY. There are areas at 50th and Grand in the museum district, but there are also neighborhoods there. Lincoln, a little west, more neighborhoods. There is a lot of land at the fairgrounds that is not used. Mostly on the Reno side because if you go to the north end, you're near houses again. Right at Reno and 44 would be a great spot honestly. It gives them access to parking too.

There is also a difference between property owner NIMBYs and renter NIMBYs. The condo owners downtown would have the greatest voice. If we're talking about bricktown area.

Just asking but what NIMBY issue would there be in a COOP location? There is little residential anywhere near it. If a soccer stadium were built there l don't see who would oppose an amphitheater.

Agree.

If it's based on noise, I don't think anyone in and around downtown would have much to complain about. Most everything around it is in a zone that allows for 100 times greater SPL than in residential areas. There are festivals and live music downtown all the time. It's been a long time, but there were a few concerts at Bricktown Ballpark and, like you said, there's most likely going to be a multi-purpose stadium built there that has already stated concerts will be part of the mix.

If there's any legitimate resistance, it would most likely come from south of the river where there are R-1 and R-2 neighborhoods. The Mustang Creek site, while not currently zoned residential itself, seems to be surrounded by more R-1 overall than the COOP location.

People will always find a way to complain and sometimes those complaints are warranted. NIMBY is always tossed around as a pejorative on the site, but trust me, almost every single one that does has opinions on what they think should and shouldn't be built by their home. I just think it's fairly intuitive to expect more complaints about a major entertainment venue from people choosing to live 10 miles from the city center than from those who chose to live within blocks of the biggest entertainment district in the state.

^ Exactly. They chose to live 10 miles out for a reason. In OKC, you have that choice - to be away from the noise and traffic that IS at the city center.

So, it makes sense for this types of development to be in the city center. Not in the skyscraper districts but in/nearby away from R1/R2 zoning that will complain.

There is a BIG difference in expectations living IN downtown vs 10 miles away. Those living IN downtown 'may' have a complaint from time to time, but they should also know and expect there to be noise and traffic being in THE bright lights, big city part of the metro. ....

Meanwhile, Mckinney realizes the opportunity they have with a huge amphitheater.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2024/05/24/mckinney-funnels-26-million-toward-music-venue/

I wish OKC knew what they will be missing by losing out on dozens of traveling tours over a summer because they have an outdated, antiquated, undersized Zoo Amp to fall back on.

I hope Notes looks for another location in OKC, but after being turned down once, and having other cities bend over backwards to get them, I doubt it.

Meanwhile, Mckinney realizes the opportunity they have with a huge amphitheater.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2024/05/24/mckinney-funnels-26-million-toward-music-venue/

I wish OKC knew what they will be missing by losing out on dozens of traveling tours over a summer because they have an outdated, antiquated, undersized Zoo Amp to fall back on.

I hope Notes looks for another location in OKC, but after being turned down once, and having other cities bend over backwards to get them, I doubt it.

other than Colorado Springs, has one of these proposed amphitheaters actually been fully funded and built?

Meanwhile, Mckinney realizes the opportunity they have with a huge amphitheater.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2024/05/24/mckinney-funnels-26-million-toward-music-venue/

I wish OKC knew what they will be missing by losing out on dozens of traveling tours over a summer because they have an outdated, antiquated, undersized Zoo Amp to fall back on.

I hope Notes looks for another location in OKC, but after being turned down once, and having other cities bend over backwards to get them, I doubt it.

We'll see what we're missing out on. There's no guarantee this would improve the live music offerings in OKC.

I used to think our problem was venue-based. Over time I'm realizing that while venues are an issue, it's ultimately up to the promoters to determine what music events happen here.

We'll see what we're missing out on. There's no guarantee this would improve the live music offerings in OKC.

I used to think our problem was venue-based. Over time I'm realizing that while venues are an issue, it's ultimately up to the promoters to determine what music events happen here.

I'm disappointed Neil Young & Crazy Horse aren't coming here on their current tour, they're in Dallas on 5/27, then Toronto on 7/8. WTH? Pretty sure Paycom is available for at least one date shortly after Dallas (maybe the Thunder blocked it out if they got to the finals or something?)...

We'll see what we're missing out on. There's no guarantee this would improve the live music offerings in OKC.

I used to think our problem was venue-based. Over time I'm realizing that while venues are an issue, it's ultimately up to the promoters to determine what music events happen here.

They see a 7k seat venue. Hard to make money for large tours at 7k seats. Simple economics.

Meanwhile, Mckinney realizes the opportunity they have with a huge amphitheater.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2024/05/24/mckinney-funnels-26-million-toward-music-venue/

I wish OKC knew what they will be missing by losing out on dozens of traveling tours over a summer because they have an outdated, antiquated, undersized Zoo Amp to fall back on.

I hope Notes looks for another location in OKC, but after being turned down once, and having other cities bend over backwards to get them, I doubt it.

Hypothetical economic figures pulled out of NoteLives rear end. Their trying to make the case that there is an untapped goldilocks' market that doesn't want a large billion dollar arena, but want something a little larger than the size of the Zoo Amp. This runs into similar issues the heartland amusement park runs into with over a quarter of the year being unavailable due to cold weather. The middle of summer is also pretty hot.

OKC is building the 1+ billon dollar new Arena to go after a proven market, along with a multipurpose stadium that could also partially fill that niche that they say exist.

other than Colorado Springs, has one of these proposed amphitheaters actually been fully funded and built?

According to their website, it looks like CS is the only one fully funded. It seems they're having better luck getting subsidies from smaller municipalities like Broken Arrow and McKinney. Which does make sense. Those communities aren't concerned with competing with or cannibalizing shows from venues in the larger cities nearby.

If they still want to be in the OKC market, my guess is they'll go fishing for public assistance in the surrounding communities outside OKC limits.

other than Colorado Springs, has one of these proposed amphitheaters actually been fully funded and built?

I was wondering that too. I dont think the Broken Arrow one is dead yet...but isn't that also a yet?

As long as it's built within a mile of a residential area of any meaningful size, it's gonna hit the NIMBY barrier. Another reason I was thinking it would do better in the museum district. They'll have to spend more for the land, which may be why they haven't looked elsewhere. Like any good developer, they were trying to get it done cheaper.

You know, there's some land west of Del City and east of I-35 that the county has been eyeing, that is cheap and would be a good central location........

I'm disappointed Neil Young & Crazy Horse aren't coming here on their current tour, they're in Dallas on 5/27, then Toronto on 7/8. WTH? Pretty sure Paycom is available for at least one date shortly after Dallas (maybe the Thunder blocked it out if they got to the finals or something?)...

If l read correctly, they are only making 16 stops.

Any news on them looking at other sites? Or is OKC going to be without a true full-size amphitheater for a long, long time?

They just announced another one in El Paso, and a large, large one in Mckinney.

So they’ve announced two more than are just as unlikely to be built? LOL

Or is OKC going to be without a true full-size amphitheater for a long, long time?

OKC doesn't have to have everything :-)

El Paso: Free Land and $31 million in incentives from the city.

McKinney: Free Land and $26 million from the city.

It's become clear they are not doing these without public assistance going forward. I imagine they're going to have to go outside of the city to get that, at this point.