You can also invest in this by buying into the ipo right?

You can also invest in this by buying into the ipo right?

Their TV ads in Denver say you must be an "accredited investor" (> $1 million and an experienced investor) to participate in the IPO.

Their TV ads in Denver say you must be an "accredited investor" (> $1 million and an experienced investor) to participate in the IPO.

Only looking for experienced "accredited investors" makes it harder to sue.

Only looking for experienced "accredited investors" makes it harder to sue.

There are securities rules in soliciting investors that pertain to restricting to accredited investors. It isn’t about being sued, it’s about following the law.

There are securities rules in soliciting investors that pertain to restricting to accredited investors. It isnÂ’t about being sued, itÂ’s about following the law.

Well, they're following the law to avoid getting sued, That's just the civil side of enforcing the rules.

Their TV ads in Denver say you must be an "accredited investor" (> $1 million and an experienced investor) to participate in the IPO.

Which is funny because qualified investors don't usually base their decisions based on tv ads they see. These ads were intended for a different audience, not related to the IPO IMHO.

Well, they're following the law to avoid getting sued, That's just the civil side of enforcing the rules.

Lol. Maybe they are just following the law. Maybe in a way you are suspicious of, but nonetheless following it. Following rules isn’t always about being sued. Parents don’t have to beat their kids for them to grow up respecting rules.

Lol. Maybe they are just following the law. Maybe in a way you are suspicious of, but nonetheless following it. Following rules isnÂ’t always about being sued. Parents donÂ’t have to beat their kids for them to grow up respecting rules.

Wasn't trying to suggest it was suspicious behavior or that parents have to beat their kids for them to follow the rules, Just didn't occur to me that's what we were discussing. lol

The people around the area are starting to get more vocal.

https://kfor.com/news/local/west-okc-amphitheater-raising-major-concerns-for-neighborhoods-nearby/

I did some research into JW Roth who is running the show for Sunset and all the related businesses.

He runs a restaurant called Bourbon Brothers in Colorado Springs (where he lives) which also features some acoustic live music. Then right next door, they opened Boot Barn, a large open hall with a bunch of tables and chairs that can be cleared out to accommodate up to 500 live music fans. According to their website, millions were raised from investors for both. The first Sunset Amphitheater will be located very near these two businesses.

Roth then raised money and opened the same two concepts (Bourbon Brothers and Boot Barn) in Gainesville, Georgia. Not coincidentally, the VP of real estate and development for Notes Live (the umbrella for all Roth’s businesses) lives in Gainesville, a city of 43,000 about 50 miles outside of Atlanta.

Investors in Bourbon Brothers sued Roth a couple of years ago (see below). and ultimately the matter was settled out of court. The way this type of civil case works the resolution terms are rarely disclosed.

Roth also declared bankruptcy in 2001 and his various businesses have faced lawsuits in the past.

Roth’s pattern is to start a small business then take it public ASAP. He’s not only soliciting investors for all his projects, he now wants to take Notes Live public as well.

As far as I can determine, Roth does not have any sort of college degree.


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I've never realized how crazy some NIMBY concerns are, and how they word them. In an economy where cities are booming and small towns are dying, they thought living in a suburb meant they were immune from growth? And the noise is scary? Man...

I've never realized how crazy some NIMBY concerns are, and how they word them. In an economy where cities are booming and small towns are dying, they thought living in a suburb meant they were immune from growth? And the noise is scary? Man...

Someone earlier in this thread were using noise for a reason to not build this thing closer downtown. I think its ok, as long as they shut down by 10:00 pm to comply with OKC's sound ordinance.

The NIMBY's may not have to worry about this thing getting built anyway. This guy has a resume that look's a lot like Jeff Rogers at least in terms for his appetite for risk.

Someone earlier in this thread were using noise for a reason to not build this thing closer downtown. I think its ok, as long as they shut down by 10:00 pm to comply with OKC's sound ordinance.

The NIMBY's may not have to worry about this thing getting built anyway. This guy has a resume that look's a lot like Jeff Rogers at least in terms for his appetite for risk.

I highly doubt a promise to stop by 10 is going to stop NIMBY's trying to block a project that is inherently going to bring a lot of noise to their area, and whatever acts they get probably only a minority would they have interest in. Part of why doing this in the Adventure District kind of makes more sense, as there already is a large outdoor venue in area so less change of character for approval committees to weigh against the venue, homes are farther away in any direction to start, and is more centralized to metro.

NIMBYs worried about noise, when they live right next to I40...

NIMBYs worried about noise, when they live right next to I40...

There's a difference in highway traffic that becomes 'white noise' after awhile. I live not too far from the Kilpatrick and that doesn't really bother me much. The neighbor on a Friday night who blares their music on the other hand. I have been that neighbor that reported their loud music after 10.

There's a difference in highway traffic that becomes 'white noise' after awhile. I live not too far from the Kilpatrick and that doesn't really bother me much. The neighbor on a Friday night who blares their music on the other hand. I have been that neighbor that reported their loud music after 10.

Also, this place is South of I-40. We have prevailing southerly wind which would temper the highway noise.

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but read this comment on the KATT’s Facebook page on a post talking about a “KATTfest” announcement. Most of those concerts have been held at the Zoo Amphitheater.
“I wonder where it’ll be at? The Zoo Amp is having construction done to it rn bc another company bought it and they don’t project it being done till mid to late summer?”

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but read this comment on the KATT’s Facebook page on a post talking about a “KATTfest” announcement. Most of those concerts have been held at the Zoo Amphitheater.
“I wonder where it’ll be at? The Zoo Amp is having construction done to it rn bc another company bought it and they don’t project it being done till mid to late summer?”

I guess this explains the lack of any concerts there. Would have been nice for them to say something about the renovations.

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but read this comment on the KATT’s Facebook page on a post talking about a “KATTfest” announcement. Most of those concerts have been held at the Zoo Amphitheater.
“I wonder where it’ll be at? The Zoo Amp is having construction done to it rn bc another company bought it and they don’t project it being done till mid to late summer?”

no one bought the zoo amp .... it is owned by the OKC zoo trust ..

a different company was just selected to OPERATE the zoo amp

no one bought the zoo amp .... it is owned by the OKC zoo trust ..

a different company was just selected to OPERATE the zoo amp

Do you know what kind of renovations this operator is doing? Sounds ambiguous and maybe not the full explanation why they haven't held events in awhile.

Do you know what kind of renovations this operator is doing? Sounds ambiguous and maybe not the full explanation why they haven't held events in awhile.

I don't think it is anything massive or groundbreaking ..

the first events with the new operator i think should be in august ..

It looks like I have been wrong.

The Notes Live Sunset location in BA has completed the purchase of the land and has approval from the city of Broken Arrow to start construction, which they say will start this spring, so the next 90 days. $93 million project with 12,500 seats to open next year. We will see.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/final-approval-given-for-construction-of-new-broken-arrow-amphitheater/article_daf03688-dbfe-11ee-9ad4-4f35dae1a72a.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

Hopefully OKC's gets everything approved soon. Because those same people complaining will also wonder why summer concerts go to Tulsa/Broken Arrow and not OKC.

Tulsa would have an arena that gets bigger shows, a club that does (Cain's get an insane amount of shows). And having a better amphitheater would give them the advantage in almost every sector.

…Tulsa would have an arena that gets bigger shows, a club that does (Cain's get an insane amount of shows)…
These statements are far from accurate these days.

These statements are far from accurate these days.

I stand by what I said. Sure, OKC gets quite a few good shows (and has done better recently, i will grant you that), but the arena is limited, and large productions, they just can't handle. Hence why a J'Lo goes to Tulsa, a Bad Bunny goes to Tulsa. These are going to be spectacle shows, and OKC's loading dock area just can't handle those type of shows anymore.

I stand by what I said. Sure, OKC gets quite a few good shows (and has done better recently, i will grant you that), but the arena is limited, and large productions, they just can't handle. Hence why a J'Lo goes to Tulsa, a Bad Bunny goes to Tulsa. These are going to be spectacle shows, and OKC's loading dock area just can't handle those type of shows anymore.

I guess Tulsa better get started on getting a new billion dollar arena approved.

The quality of these particular outdoor amphitheater experiences is TBD.

We welcome our OKC brethren to come to our outdoor amphitheater shows and we’ll come to your Thunder games ;)

guess the skeptics on OKC's proposal are happy now. ...

guess the skeptics on OKC's proposal are happy now. ...

I would be happy for Tulsa if they have a successfully amphitheater especially since those arena advantages Bison mentioned won't be an advantage anymore as soon as OKC gets its new arena.

I stand by what I said. Sure, OKC gets quite a few good shows (and has done better recently, i will grant you that), but the arena is limited, and large productions, they just can't handle. Hence why a J'Lo goes to Tulsa, a Bad Bunny goes to Tulsa. These are going to be spectacle shows, and OKC's loading dock area just can't handle those type of shows anymore.

Drake/J. Cole are playing back to back nights at Paycom this month... there's certainly a loading issue, but they still have the capacity for large scale productions.

These statements are far from accurate these days.

Many have been clinging to this narrative for years now, despite actual bookings. Saying that OKC doesn't have large productions is bizarre when there are numerous past examples and shows like Drake, Janet Jackson, and Niki Minaj are booked for 2024. Yes, a better facility should boost the frequency of arena bookings, but they're not non-existent and Paycom was a top 40 arena in the US in concert ticket sales as recently as 2022.

There are several venues in the city that have booked and continue to book quality touring shows, some of which play outdoor venues such as these on the exact same tour.

Of course, these outdoor venues could be a nice addition to one or both markets, if done correctly. I don't know why hyperbole and misrepresentations have to be used to convey that.

guess the skeptics on OKC's proposal are happy now. ...

I think anyone who has expressed skepticism on any number of points on this proposal would be ecstatic if a quality 12.5k amphitheater was built and brought 60 bookings a year.

That would more than double the current listed bookings at White River and The Gorge for 2024 combined.

So, skepticism of their promises is more than justified at this point.

This "Tulsa gets all the good shows" narrative reminds me so much of "Tulsa gets all the best retail stores first" which has been proven to be crazy wrong.

There was a time when it was sort of true (not really), but that time has past. It takes a lot of people a couple decades to catch up with their mental associations though, lol.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of skeptics for the Tulsa amiptheatre as well, there are just less big forums like this one to express it. I'm curious if they had more investors for the BA site, or if they simply had an easier time getting through the hurdles to construction. BA was pretty happy to have them from a city leadership perspective. Kind of helped them get over the debacle that was Bell's.

I stand by what I said. Sure, OKC gets quite a few good shows (and has done better recently, i will grant you that), but the arena is limited, and large productions, they just can't handle. Hence why a J'Lo goes to Tulsa, a Bad Bunny goes to Tulsa. These are going to be spectacle shows, and OKC's loading dock area just can't handle those type of shows anymore.

The AIRPORT DIRECTOR is at it AGAIN!!!

There was a time when it was sort of true (not really), but that time has past. It takes a lot of people a couple decades to catch up with their mental associations though, lol.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of skeptics for the Tulsa amiptheatre as well, there are just less big forums like this one to express it. I'm curious if they had more investors for the BA site, or if they simply had an easier time getting through the hurdles to construction. BA was pretty happy to have them from a city leadership perspective. Kind of helped them get over the debacle that was Bell's.

Yeah before the Criterion, the Jones Assembly, the Tower Theater and Beer City Music Hall opened, there was definitely a venue gap that led to Tulsa getting more small to midsized shows at Cain's, the Brady theater, the Shrine, Vanguard, Mercury Lounge (to a lesser extent), etc but that gap has been largely closed. It's pretty even now and will be even more even for larger shows when the new arena opens.

There was a time when it was sort of true (not really), but that time has past. It takes a lot of people a couple decades to catch up with their mental associations though, lol.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of skeptics for the Tulsa amiptheatre as well, there are just less big forums like this one to express it. I'm curious if they had more investors for the BA site, or if they simply had an easier time getting through the hurdles to construction. BA was pretty happy to have them from a city leadership perspective. Kind of helped them get over the debacle that was Bell's.

The BA site does seem a little bit nicer and I bet there are more interested local investors than Yukon/west OKC Its also already in a decent park and there the North Easter State Broken Arrow campus is across the highway.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of skeptics for the Tulsa amiptheatre as well, there are just less big forums like this one to express it. I'm curious if they had more investors for the BA site, or if they simply had an easier time getting through the hurdles to construction. BA was pretty happy to have them from a city leadership perspective. Kind of helped them get over the debacle that was Bell's.

I believe Broken Arrow is providing TIF funding for this, which I imagine decreases the need for outside investment. That maybe makes sense for them in trying to draw concert money out of Tulsa and into BA. If Tulsa or OKC were to do that, they would be competing against already established venues some of which are publicly funded. OKC's multipurpose outdoor stadium should be used for concerts, too. It is supposed to hold 8k for sports. With field seating, it should put it in the range of shows these amphitheaters would be booking and it most likely will be in a much better location than this proposal. How much it actually gets used for concerts is anyone's guess at this point, though.

The BA site does seem a little bit nicer and I bet there are more interested local investors than Yukon/west OKC Its also already in a decent park and there the North Easter State Broken Arrow campus is across the highway.

It might look nicer/better on a map but it's really in an odd location and somewhere the infrastructure is not in place to support something like this easily. That's why BA is throwing a ton of TIF money at this because it's going to require a lot of road upgrades. If they can get a road connection north to Highway 51 that will help a lot but 101st Street is not of sufficient capacity to deal with 5,000+ people trying to get to a concert. The further east you get the worse the roads get too, Wagoner County roads are awful. There is pretty much no supporting services like retail anywhere nearby or hotels, etc. Even though it is somewhat close to the 71st & Lynn Lane/County Line retail area the through streets to get there easily don't exist. Infrastructure wise the Yukon site is way more site ready than the BA site.

BDP - the TIF amount I believe is only going toward road upgrades and other infrastructure upgrades and not necessarily to the facility itself.

There was a time when it was sort of true (not really), but that time has past. It takes a lot of people a couple decades to catch up with their mental associations though, lol.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of skeptics for the Tulsa amiptheatre as well, there are just less big forums like this one to express it. I'm curious if they had more investors for the BA site, or if they simply had an easier time getting through the hurdles to construction. BA was pretty happy to have them from a city leadership perspective. Kind of helped them get over the debacle that was Bell's.

$15 million or so in TIF money for parking lot and infrastructure certainly helped.

I'm sure Sam Coury is providing a lot to them as part of the Mustang Creek Crossing development.

Also, most the infrastructure is in place or already budgeted by ODOT.

the NIMBYS are protesting the Sunset Amphitheater, we will see where this goes

the NIMBYS are protesting the Sunset Amphitheater, we will see where this goes

Probably will go about the same way it would’ve without the NIMBYs protesting it

What is a NIMBY??

What is a NIMBY??

Not In My BackYard. Used for those opposed to the addition of something in their area

Ok. Thanks!

Sounds like the OKC City Council just shot this down 7-2 as currently planned.

Sounds like the OKC City Council just shot this down 7-2 as currently planned.

Yes, only Stonecipher and Cooper voted for it.

I wonder where this will go from here; that's a strong 'no' vote.

Well, OKC's summer concert nightmares just keep getting worse. Lots of tax dollars will be going to Tulsa and Broken Arrow, should that protect up there get finished. But since they are getting TIF up there, it is far more likely to be built.

Oh well. Maybe someone else will try building a true 10k+ amphitheater (not likely, given the City Council is very against one).

Do the developers on this have any reasonable chance of sueing and getting the decision reversed?

Or maybe the Sunset people try and find a location that is less impactful on housing additions.

I know they looked at Chisholm Creek and you'd think Producer's Coop would be a great location.


BTW, the Zoo Amp just announced a bunch of concerts for this summer, including Blues Travelers, Howard Jones, and Cake:

https://www.prekindle.com/events/zoo-amphitheatre

^ Chisholm Creek or Producer's Coop would make a whole lot more sense than in the middle of a neighborhood.

^^^^^^^
Complete line-ups are pretty cool:


Legends of Hip Hop featuring Ice Cube, E-40, and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (I've never seen Cube and would like to, but have seen Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and they're pretty good live in my experience)
Blues Traveler with Big Head Todd and the Monsters (have seen both bands and they were both great live when I saw each of them)
Howard Jones, ABC, Haircut One Hundred (I def want to go to this one)
Slightly Stoopid, Dirty Heads, Hirie, The Expendables (I'd like to see Dirty Heads but not very dialed in on the other acts)
An evening with Cake (saw them years ago, would go again if I didn't have anything better to do that night)

Plenty of development ready land out west of Yukon on I-40 & Frisco Road.

Howard Jones, ABC, Haircut One Hundred (I def want to go to this one)

I've seen HoJo a couple of times and he's fantastic -- still one of the more talented musicians in pop music.

Plenty of development ready land out west of Yukon on I-40 & Frisco Road.
Even the currently proposed location is too remote from the population center of the metro, in my opinion. There would be diminishing returns the further west it's moved. Would be a pretty regrettable business decision.

I've seen HoJo a couple of times and he's fantastic -- still one of the more talented musicians in pop music.
Yeah, would love to see him, for sure. But that particular lineup I'm even more excited about ABC, to be honest.

Yeah, would love to see him, for sure. But that particular lineup I'm even more excited about ABC, to be honest.

That's the look, that's the look!

Omg abc!!!!

Plenty of development ready land out west of Yukon on I-40 & Frisco Road.

Part of the reason that area is undeveloped is that city services for water and sewage need major upgrades before can be run into the area. Plus west of I-40 & Frisco Road is still OKC, so it seems questionable how much that is going to make OKC leadership more for it.

Grated even if it were in Yukon city limits that probably is only going down in flames faster. Depending on how it was oriented/constructed/equipped most of the developed city of Yukon could be potentially be impacted by noise. Plus the neighborhood just east of I-40 & Frisco Road would likely campaign as hard as those that did not want it near I-40 & Kilpatrick.