Wow, $199M revenue and $275k net profit, seems almost unbelievable. Is there a balance sheet for the athletic department? Does the revenue include specific athletic donations?

You do realize that very, very few athletic departments even have a positive net income. Like, very few.

Running sports that constantly lose money (everything except football and maybe basketball) adds up.

Wow, $199M revenue and $275k net profit, seems almost unbelievable. Is there a balance sheet for the athletic department? Does the revenue include specific athletic donations?

It seems like the budget tends to be what operations is planed around. Donations tends to be more for facilities/equipment upgrades.

Looks like there is plenty of room left for OU's new basketball arena (assuming it doesn't get built at UNP)

This is Auburn's 9500 seat arena super-imposed on the Brooks & Jenkins site north of the Football Operations Center and fronting Champions Plaza.
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It seems like the budget tends to be what operations is planed around. Donations tends to be more for facilities/equipment upgrades.

Ding ding ding.

Looks like there is plenty of room left for OU's new basketball arena (assuming it doesn't get built at UNP)

This is Auburn's 9500 seat arena super-imposed on the Brooks & Jenkins site north of the Football Operations Center and fronting Champions Plaza.
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Where? :)

Where? :)

https://i.ibb.co/KF5xPmy/OU-arena.jpg

Rumors that renovations to the football stadium (west side press box) are going to be announced at the next Board of Regents meeting,

https://i.ibb.co/KF5xPmy/OU-arena.jpg

Cool. so pony up a $100 million, or else it won't be done for the next 25 years

Cool. so pony up a $100 million, or else it won't be done for the next 25 years

the cost for that would be like 300+ million ...

and while it does fit there the better location would be across the street to the north ..

the cost for that would be like 300+ million ...

and while it does fit there the better location would be across the street to the north ..

Either location is infinitely better than by I-35. I like the SE corner better because it could tie into what OU has already proposed for Champions Plaza and clusters all of the athletic facilities south of Brooks. Architecturally, you close in the quadrangle created by the stadium, McCasland and Armory and connect it directly to the Brooks Pedestrian Mall.

Parking-wise you actually have more parking at this location than at Lloyd Noble Center if you include what would remain of the Duck Pond Lot, the lots to the north (some of which would likely go away in the future to build additional science/engineering buildings), the lot next to McCasland and the Elm Street Parking Garage, not to mention the Union garage, Jenkins garage, etc. And because the lots are not all in one spot getting into and out of them for games would be much easier.

I've also said this before but when (not if) Edmond-OKC-Norman get commuter rail there will likely be an OU stop at Brooks, which would be a 5 min walk from the arena. You could actually take transit to basketball games.

OU doesn't have the money for their own arena. Until they do, a public-private option is their only chance. LNC is an abomination of an arena, and needs to be hit by a meteor. But they have so very few options for a new arena.

OU doesn't have the money for their own arena. Until they do, a public-private option is their only chance. LNC is an abomination of an arena, and needs to be hit by a meteor. But they have so very few options for a new arena.

OU has plenty of money and will have even more moving to the SEC. When Norman rejects the UNP proposal they will have to figure out how to build this themselves.

OU has plenty of money and will have even more moving to the SEC. When Norman rejects the UNP proposal they will have to figure out how to build this themselves.

Not money for a new arena. And that SEC money is a fart in a hurricane in relation to the cost of a new arena. Do people not realize that extra money will help operations if the AD, but won't go to capital projects? Or do people just not realize how little money sports make, in terms of net profit?

If you don't, we can't have this conversation.

Either location is infinitely better than by I-35.

But no one is putting up the money for it at either of those locations... so they are not options. how many times do we have to go around this circle. the only two options are UNP, or staying in the falling apart lloyd Nobel for the foreseeable future.

the cost for that would be like 300+ million ...

yes, i know it would be more than $100 million. but i do know that if OU were to receive a donation of that size for that purpose, then they would actually work to find the money for the rest. that's basically how the new UT arena was started.

yes, i know it would be more than $100 million. but i do know that if OU were to receive a donation of that size for that purpose, then they would actually work to find the money for the rest. that's basically how the new UT arena was started.

Exactly. Of course OU is going to take "free money" from the TIF if offered to them. If Norman doesn't approve it, which looks very possible, then all of a sudden OU will need to find a lead donor to fund the arena. If Ole Miss, Auburn, Baylor, etc. can all build brand new $100+ million arenas so can OU.. I don't expect OU's new arena to be on the same scale as Moody, nor does it need to be.

Exactly. Of course OU is going to take "free money" from the TIF if offered to them. If Norman doesn't approve it, which looks very possible, then all of a sudden OU will need to find a lead donor to fund the arena. If Ole Miss, Auburn, Baylor, etc. can all build brand new $100+ million arenas so can OU..

They tried for 20 years to find a lead donor to no avail... that is why they are going with this plan. Joe C has said, there has been no real options for 20 years.

Exactly. Of course OU is going to take "free money" from the TIF if offered to them. If Norman doesn't approve it, which looks very possible, then all of a sudden OU will need to find a lead donor to fund the arena. If Ole Miss, Auburn, Baylor, etc. can all build brand new $100+ million arenas so can OU..

OU fans have proven they will likely not support and donate to things like this. Just see how their NIL pales in comparison to schools like Mississippi. They know their donor base.

They donate to sports that win, like softball and, to a lesser extent, football (lesser because they care about football in a way that record doesn't matter). If OU sucked at softball in the future, that palace they built will be empty.

Sooner fans are fickle.

yes, i know it would be more than $100 million. but i do know that if OU were to receive a donation of that size for that purpose, then they would actually work to find the money for the rest. that's basically how the new UT arena was started.

nope a private group the Oak View group funded the entire arena .. not a donation ..

Not money for a new arena. And that SEC money is a fart in a hurricane in relation to the cost of a new arena. Do people not realize that extra money will help operations if the AD, but won't go to capital projects? Or do people just not realize how little money sports make, in terms of net profit?

If you don't, we can't have this conversation.

this of course is due to them not wanting to make money .... and if you don't understand that we can't have this conversation ..

nope a private group the Oak View group funded the entire arena .. not a donation ..

correct. but it was an outside group that came in to start the plans on campus. that is what i was more saying... not that it had to be a donation. but that someone other than the university coming in and saying, "hey, lets do this and do it here"

correct. but it was an outside group that came in to start the plans on campus. that is what i was more saying... not that it had to be a donation. but that someone other than the university coming in and saying, "hey, lets do this and do it here"

No one wants to do that in NORMAN. Texas has the benefit of being in one of the hottest real estate and job markets in the country.

No one wants to do that for OU or Norman.

this of course is due to them not wanting to make money .... and if you don't understand that we can't have this conversation ..

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that one, maybe 2 sports, at OU make money. One of them supports basically every other sport. The extra SEC money isn't going to be able to fund an arena. OU made less than $200k as an athletic department. They aren't swimming in reserve cash.

No one wants to do that in NORMAN. Texas has the benefit of being in one of the hottest real estate and job markets in the country.

No one wants to do that for OU or Norman.

exactly... which is why there is no proposal and no plan, zero plans, for an on campus facility. the only options are UNP or nothing.

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that one, maybe 2 sports, at OU make money. One of them supports basically every other sport. The extra SEC money isn't going to be able to fund an arena. OU made less than $200k as an athletic department. They aren't swimming in reserve cash.

if OU's goal was to Make money they could cut about 20 mil in spending in about 1 sec ... ..... they spend close to everything they bring in (by design)

if OU's goal was to Make money they could cut about 20 mil in spending in about 1 sec ... ..... they spend close to everything they bring in (by design)

Title IX keeps them from that. Equal spending on sports is required. So we'd lose men's sports and add every women's sport.

Title IX keeps them from that. Equal spending on sports is required. So we'd lose men's sports and add every women's sport.

lol NO ..

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

plenty of schools that sponsor just as many sports spend less money ..

lol NO ..

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

plenty of schools that sponsor just as many sports spend less money ..

I misspoke. The # of sports participation opportunities has to be equal to the proportion of students on campus. So if a college has 46% male students, then the athletics department could only have a 46/54 breakdown of sports participation opportunities between males and females.

https://legalaidatwork.org/factsheet/sb-1349-school-athletics-data-reporting/#:~:text=Title%20IX%20requires%20that%20the,progra m%20of%2051%25%20female%20athletes.