Teaser trailer is out. This movie is going to be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seHVN9ktgRU

Teaser trailer is out. This movie is going to be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seHVN9ktgRU

The trailer just makes me want to see this movie even more. It has been years since reading the book, so maybe I need to read it again.

At around 1:09, is that the state capitol with a dome on it in the 20s?

^i'm wondering if that's supposed to be the us capitol from the east looking west.

^i'm wondering if that's supposed to be the us capitol from the east looking west.

That's got to be what it is. I don't know the story well enough to know if any of it takes place in OKC and the FBI aspect would make sense that the US capitol could make an appearance.

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I am guessing it is the US Capitol. Some of this story will be talking about the forming of the FBI. so I am sure we will get some brief moments in other spots other than Oklahoma.

Release date is a week from today, and it's getting rave reviews. 95% on Rotten Tomatoes and plenty of Oscars buzz.

Didn't realize the run time is 3 hours and 26 minutes! Holy heck, that's about double the typical theatrical release.

With today's attention spans that is going to be a challenge for most viewers, including yours truly. I'll still see it though, but will probably have to stretch my legs a few times.


Doesn't exactly put Oklahoma in a favorable light, so will be interesting to see the impact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP34Yoxs3FQ

I don't understand why theatres no longer do a 10-15 minute intermission for any movie over two and a half hours or so. I would think that any lost revenue would be more than made up by making the run-time less intimidating. Anyways, I'll still be seeing this in theatres, I'll just have to remember not to drink any water for about six hours leading up to the showtime lol.

I don't understand why theatres no longer do a 10-15 minute intermission for any movie over two and a half hours or so. I would think that any lost revenue would be more than made up by making the run-time less intimidating. Anyways, I'll still be seeing this in theatres, I'll just have to remember not to drink any water for about six hours leading up to the showtime lol.

Intermissions also are a godsend for concessions.

"Let's all go out to the lobby, let's all go out to the lobby..."

Intermissions also are a godsend for concessions.

"Let's all go out to the lobby, let's all go out to the lobby..."

How true 25 or more years ago, but now most people would use intermission time just to look at their phones.

I think social norms are different today. And theaters are more tailored to people getting out of their seats during the movie. Or even getting food and drink service from staff!

Didn't realize the run time is 3 hours and 26 minutes! Holy heck, that's about double the typical theatrical release.


Marty has never been known for brevity but I've noticed his films getting longer as of late.

Intermissions also are a godsend for concessions.

"Let's all go out to the lobby, let's all go out to the lobby..."

Does the individual theatre make the call for intermission or is it the studio?

Doesn't exactly put Oklahoma in a favorable light, so will be interesting to see the impact.

Reminds me of when state leaders tried to distance themselves from Grapes of Wrath due to negative connotations. The Osage murders in the larger context of Indigenous exploitation by the state is hard history, but hiding from it does nothing. The best thing the state can do is address it head on—honestly and truthfully. Create educational resources and try to do justice to any legacies from the injustice.

I am finishing the book before going and I am looking forward to it more than any movie in a while.

Does the individual theatre make the call for intermission or is it the studio?

Has to be studio. I read where Scorsese basically said "suck it up, people binge hours of TV shows all the time." What he didn't mention is that you can pause all the binging to get snacks, take bio breaks, etc., and you're not just locked in to 3:26 straight through.

I don't understand why theatres no longer do a 10-15 minute intermission for any movie over two and a half hours or so. I would think that any lost revenue would be more than made up by making the run-time less intimidating. Anyways, I'll still be seeing this in theatres, I'll just have to remember not to drink any water for about six hours leading up to the showtime lol.

I love anything related to World War II, history, and science but this is why my wife and I skipped out on Oppenheimer while in theatres. I have been planning on Killers of the Flower Moon since I first heard about it a couple of years ago so I’ll make it even if I have to set aside an entire day for it, but just casually going to the movies every week, couple of weeks, whatever, for the fun of it and to have something to do doesn’t mix well with movies that make Star Wars feel condensed.

Has to be studio. I read where Scorsese basically said "suck it up, people binge hours of TV shows all the time." What he didn't mention is that you can pause all the binging to get snacks, take bio breaks, etc., and you're not just locked in to 3:26 straight through.

For the reasons you mentioned I'll just wait for it to be on HBO. Plus add another 15-20 for the pre show teasers.

For the reasons you mentioned I'll just wait for it to be on HBO. Plus add another 15-20 for the pre show teasers.

it is apple tv ... i don't think it will ever be on any other service .

For the reasons you mentioned I'll just wait for it to be on HBO. Plus add another 15-20 for the pre show teasers.

And commercials. :D

it is apple tv ... i don't think it will ever be on any other service .

Unless Apple buys Max(HBO)

Intermissions- what is this Ragtime (1981)!

Intermissions- what is this Ragtime (1981)!

Haha,we could only wish. Ragtime runs an hour less. Btw, Asteroid City released this year has an intermission.

Haha,we could only wish. Ragtime runs an hour less. Btw, Asteroid City released this year has an intermission.

Very true and I laughed when I saw that.

Going this afternoon. I plan to stop my beverage intake around noon. I'll try to get all my peeing out and done before I take my seat. Hopefully I'll be enthralled and won't notice the length or an urge to visit the men's room.

it is apple tv ... i don't think it will ever be on any other service .

Might be on Paramount+ since it is also from their studio. Kind of a joint venture.

Might be on Paramount+ since it is also from their studio. Kind of a joint venture.

Paramount was only the partner for the theater release ..

this will only be on Apple TV
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/business/media/apple-killers-of-the-flower-moon-theaters.html#:~:text=Until%20now%2C%20Apple's%20f ilms%20were,for%20at%20least%2045%20days.

I just rewatched the 18 minute segment of the 1959 Jimmy Stewart movie The FBI Story that was a condensed version. Kinda like Dragnet..."The story you are about to see is true. The names were changed to protect the innocent".

Watched yesterday- was fantastic in my opinion. I loved the slow pacing and would have sat through 5 hours had it been that long.

Watched yesterday- was fantastic in my opinion. I loved the slow pacing and would have sat through 5 hours had it been that long.
Long, grim, sobering look at a segment of our history with First Americans, but a riveting must view. Like you, I would have sat through however long it took to expose that story.

It would be cathartic for more of these history revealing epics to be made to tell more of the stories in the raw, real way they happened and not the whitewashed narratives spoon fed to our citizens.

I read that Scorsese met with the ex-head of the Osage Nation to get the portrayal right on the correct narrative.
It was something to see that tragedy along with the other that occurred in the 20’s being shown at the beginning of the movie. Bad times in Oklahoma back then for sure, add in the Murrah building and the countless tornados, Oklahomans have faced a ton of adversity.

Scorsese spent a lot of time and effort to understand the Osage. It seems to have affected him tremendously. His emotional reading of Mollie's obituary seems like a statement that it as a very personal and emotional movie for him. His introduction is another example.

I'm going to see it again, but I can't quite understand his intent behind that introduction. He doesn't really say much. It seems like was saying, "this is a different sort of movie from what I've made in the past."

He used Charles Red Corn's "A Pipe for February" for background and his son, Yancy, played one of the two chiefs. I know Yancy and according to him, the Osage are proud Scorsese took the efforts to represent the story from their perspective. Originally, the script was centered on the FBI.

Epics like this aren't made often. There's very little CGI and it's not only period accurate, it used many of the actual places. I've been to Fairfax recently. I noticed interior and exterior shots that use the bank building the production did extensive restoration work on it. The second floor windows and a few other buildings still have the production signs and painted windows. It's cool.

We are going next week. If I have to go to the WC midway, I'll just go. We want to see it on a big screen, but I'm sure it will be available on multiple formats soon enough if I have to miss two or three minutes out of three and a half hours.

The length of it is showing up in a lot of national reviews to the extent that people are suggesting an intermission. We are going to see The Eras tour movie this week and it's a little under three hours.

I read that Scorsese met with the ex-head of the Osage Nation to get the portrayal right on the correct narrative.
It was something to see that tragedy along with the other that occurred in the 20’s being shown at the beginning of the movie. Bad times in Oklahoma back then for sure, add in the Murrah building and the countless tornados, Oklahomans have faced a ton of adversity.
I agree, but would use the term atrocities instead of adversities. All these were man made.

Didn’t the trail of tears come through here too? Not to mention the lane run. Oklahoma has some very interesting history. I have a relative who works as a teacher. You can’t even talk about homosexuality or the Tulsa race massacre in classrooms anymore. It’s very weird.

^The Trail of Tears was from various other states and ended in Oklahoma.

^The Trail of Tears was from various other states and ended in Oklahoma.

Tulsa was founded at the end of the Trail of Tears. The Lvchapoka band of Muscogee stopped their deadly trek under a large oak tree on a hill overlooking the Arkansas River in 1836. They named the site Talasi after their tribal town in Georgia, eventually become "Tulsa". The site is at 17th and Cheyenne Ave and today is Council Oak Park. The tree still stands and the Muscogee Nation has an annual event there celebrating the end of the Trail of Tears. It's a very pretty and somber place. A little strange too with this old tree under which the Muscogee restarted their council fires that today is surrounded by condos, oil mansions and skyscrapers just south of downtown.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Creek_Council_Tree_Site.jpg

https://www.muscogeenation.com/2018/10/24/reflects-arrival-to-indian-territory-history-of-council-oak-tree/
https://www.travelok.com/listings/view.profile/id.1876
https://www.visittulsa.com/listing/creek-nation-council-oak-park/1558/

I was thinking Tahlequah was a key ending spot as well.

I agree, but would use the term atrocities instead of adversities. All these were man made.

I was meaning "adversity" in dealing after the fact or in the Osage case (during/after). The tornados, to my knowledge, are made by mother nature, but I could be wrong.

I was thinking Tahlequah was a key ending spot as well.

For the Cherokee. Not Muscogee.

Didn’t the trail of tears come through here too? Not to mention the lane run. Oklahoma has some very interesting history. I have a relative who works as a teacher. You can’t even talk about homosexuality or the Tulsa race massacre in classrooms anymore. It’s very weird.
Right, because if you prohibit talking about it, it didn’t happen and doesn’t exist. It wipes out all the bad things certain people did and do if you just ignore it. That’s what God does,,,,forgives sinners if others deny the sin.

I don't think this is an accurate statement for all grades. It may be for K - 5.

Right, because if you prohibit talking about it, it didn’t happen and doesn’t exist. It wipes out all the bad things certain people did and do if you just ignore it. That’s what God does,,,,forgives sinners if others deny the sin.
What’s weird is that both of those topics are in the curriculum. And there are literature books that cover aspects of the Tulsa race massacre, homosexuality,the trail of tears and multiple other subjects. It’s almost like we have leadership that either doesn’t read the curriculum. Or they are campaigning when they spout out right wing talking points. It’s not about governing it’s about them preparing for their next position in government

I don't think this is an accurate statement for all grades. It may be for K - 5.
That is the grade my relative teaches in, but I’ve heard it does expand across the entire public education network.

There is most definitely a movement among a substantial percentage of Oklahoma's elected officials to limit any classroom references to topics that make those adults uncomfortable acknowledging. HB 1775 made coddling their feelings law.

This film highlights an era that should be taught in greater detail but likely will not until this law is changed. There is a reason the Tulsa Massacre was referred to as a "race riot" for decades if it was mentioned at all.

Educators are most certainly concerned with the impact on their careers if they have the gall to teach accurate history that makes those same political leaders (and those that elected them) uncomfortable.

https://ncnewsline.com/2023/10/23/oklahomans-concerned-contentious-law-impacts-teaching-of-killers-of-the-flower-moon-history/#:~:text=Former%20Osage%20Nation%20Principal%20Chi ef,prompt%20an%20HB%201775%20complaint.

It's good to hear the Lt Gov saying the law needs to be clarified to facilitate teaching these events.

Evidently even math makes some of them squirm.....maybe the Pythagorean Theorem is considered "woke" now??

https://www.normantranscript.com/news/textbook-publishers-withdraw-from-oklahoma-as-fight-over-classroom-content-grows/article_d1c25802-7286-11ee-b7bb-179474c45fc3.html

Hopefully HB 1775 will be overturned and any doubt or concern about teaching this history will be eliminated.

That is the grade my relative teaches in, but I’ve heard it does expand across the entire public education network.

This is off-topic so l'll simply say l believe your relative is either mistaken, being misguided by his/her school administration (which is very possible) or bending the literal wording of the state law passed in 2021 covering these subjects for grades 6 and up - which is already being done by some in this thread. The law is pretty easy to read, but like most everything, is subject to interpretation, both reasonable and ridiculously exaggerated. I'll bow out here to get back to the movie.

This is off-topic so l'll simply say l believe your relative is either mistaken, being misguided by his/her school administration (which is very possible) or bending the literal wording of the state law passed in 2021 covering these subjects for grades 6 and up - which is already being done by some in this thread. The law is pretty easy to read, but like most everything, is subject to interpretation, both reasonable and ridiculously exaggerated. I'll bow out here to get back to the movie.

I'm sure there are a lot of high school students this week who are having to write a 3 to 4 page research paper on the topic this week.

Do educators spend every minute talking about every horrible thing that has happen in history? Probably not, there are only so many hours in the day. That could be several college semesters.

I'm sure there are a lot of high school students this week who are having to write a 3 to 4 page research paper on the topic this week.

Do educators spend every minute talking about every horrible thing that has happen in history? Probably not, there are only so many hours in the day. That could be several college semesters.

I mean yea that's pretty much how history has always been taught. The vast majority of school history is just learning about the various wars, famines, plagues, terrorist's attack's, massacres, oppression, assassinations, major accidents, natural disasters, scandals, depressions, etc. of the past. It does seem strange to single out a select few of these instances to ban discussing. I cant imagine what it would be like to have all aspects of the revolutionary war or the great depression being banned from discussion until the 6th grade.

I read today that props from the movie are being sold at "Dead Peoples Stuff"

A shame that this movie didn't win any Oscars.

It was a pretty stacked year, IMO. Wish there was some more variety in the winners, as I think several deserved recognition, but I can't say any of the winners didn't deserve it (at least feature length; not familiar with shorts).

It would have been nice for Al Pacino to not have blurted out the winner before they could do the nominee announcements. “My eyes see Oppenheimer “. LOL. :rolleyes:

It was intentional that they didn't read the nominees out as they had stated the nominees throughout the show. They did the same thing with the Best Song category. But Pacino's delivery felt awkward either way and I think they could at least bring the nominees up on screen even if they don't name them individually.

This is probably just a me thing, but I have never understood why anyone gives a care in the world about these award shows. They have never been objective, and its all about who likes who and the narrative that is fashionable at the time. It is always nice to be recognized by your peers, but the fact it didn't win doesn't change the quality of the film or the performances of all the individuals involved with the production. I enjoyed the film and the book and that is good enough for me.

^^^ It's all blowing smoke up the tail pipe. Just a bunch of hype to make money and TV ratings. I haven't watched in years.

This is probably just a me thing, but I have never understood why anyone gives a care in the world about these award shows. They have never been objective, and its all about who likes who and the narrative that is fashionable at the time. It is always nice to be recognized by your peers, but the fact it didn't win doesn't change the quality of the film or the performances of all the individuals involved with the production. I enjoyed the film and the book and that is good enough for me.

I enjoy watching an awards show when I'm familiar with the nominees. It's why I rarely watch any music awards shows, but I'll still try and catch the Oscars, at least. This year, there were a lot of actors nominated who I really liked, so it was enjoyable to see them honored.

Having said all that, I thought Killers of the Flower Moon was one of the best movies I've watched in a while, much less in 2023. I would have watched another 2 hours. I would have loved for them to win some awards, but it was an exceptional year for some of the categories. I was really pulling for Paul Giamatti, as he's been one of my favorite actors for years.

The musical performance at the Oscars for Killers of the Flower Moon gave me goosebumps.

One of my best friends in life passed away last year. He was the Lieutenant Governor of the Cheyenne Arapaho Nation.
I went to his funeral, which was 2 hours long. They were pounding on the big drum and singing.
Was very emotional and heart felt.

The more I think about those movie, the less I like it. I wanted to like it. I wanted it to be great. But several things should've been done differently.

People want to think that just because Scorcese's name is attached to it that it's a masterpiece. But you don't always get a Taxi Driver or a Goodfellas. Sometimes you get a New York, New York or a Hugo.

The more I think about those movie, the less I like it. I wanted to like it. I wanted it to be great. But several things should've been done differently.

People want to think that just because Scorcese's name is attached to it that it's a masterpiece. But you don't always get a Taxi Driver or a Goodfellas. Sometimes you get a New York, New York or a Hugo.

What should’ve been done differently?

The more I think about those movie, the less I like it. I wanted to like it. I wanted it to be great. But several things should've been done differently.

People want to think that just because Scorcese's name is attached to it that it's a masterpiece. But you don't always get a Taxi Driver or a Goodfellas. Sometimes you get a New York, New York or a Hugo.

Yes, I had friends who couldn't stand it. That's the great thing about art. I also loved The Irishman, which got a lot of hate. I'm a fan of Scorsese's stuff, but I agree he doesn't always nail it. I really did think KOTFM was a great film, though, with some outstanding performances.

Oppenheimer, for instance, I didn't enjoy nearly as much as I had hoped to. I think Cillian Murphy is brilliant. But I doubt I'll ever watch Oppenheimer again, whereas I'm already planning on rewatching KOTFM.