Oklahoma was in the top ten for net domestic migration last year, so some of you need to quit reaching:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/infrastructure/3839747-these-are-the-states-americans-are-moving-to/.

https://www.nar.realtor/blogs/economists-outlook/where-people-moved-in-2022

Also, OKC gained over 100,000 residents in the last decade.

I made it clear the OKC metro is growing. Maybe you should quit reaching for a contrarian argument and read closer. The OKC metro and Tulsa metro were almost solely responsible for our state’s growth.

Lol. No, it doesn’t. Like reading a page and thinking you know the book. Based heavily on internet searches and a few ratios without any contextual evidence or underlying fact analysis. Very weak.

But yet this whole thread was started based on the same type of data reporting. Numbers don't lie, face the facts.

I made it clear the OKC metro is growing. Maybe you should quit reaching for a contrarian argument and read closer. The OKC metro and Tulsa metro were almost solely responsible for our state’s growth.

Numbers don't lie. Obviously you didn't read the article and this new report, this is most recent data.

https://www.movebuddha.com/blog/oklahoma-migration-report/

Regardless of what people want to say, Oklahoma is growing and will continue to grow, its bucking the trend and far from going down a drain. Funny how people actually see the numbers and still want to go against facts.

Regardless of what people want to say, Oklahoma is growing and will continue to grow, its bucking the trend and far from going down a drain. Funny how people actually see the numbers and still want to go against facts.

An increase in people is not mutually exclusive to the state circling the drain in political/social/cultural ways.

stating facts bothers some people ..

So when are you going to back up your opinions with some facts?

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

You seem to be upset or troubled. Are you ok?

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

Pretty much everything is inherently political, not sure what your point is

You seem to be upset or troubled. Are you ok?

You seem pretty upset yourself, chief.

It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to deny deep-seated social and socioeconomic problems in this state for purely political reasons. Why not simply acknowledge that the problems do indeed exist instead of trying to deflect and gaslight?

The principal fact is that Oklahoma’s population would NOT have grown over the last decade were it not for OKC’s, and to a lesser extent, Tulsa’s growth. So you could throw up an argument that Oklahoma is growing, but you would be doing so without context.

It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to deny deep-seated social and socioeconomic problems in this state for purely political reasons. Why not simply acknowledge that the problems do indeed exist instead of trying to deflect and gaslight?

The principal fact is that Oklahoma’s population would NOT have grown over the last decade were it not for OKC’s, and to a lesser extent, Tulsa’s growth. So you could throw up an argument that Oklahoma is growing, but you would be doing so without context.

also pretty fair to say that OKC and tulsa would not be growing the way they are with out the low tax environment pro business framework of the STATE

also pretty fair to say that OKC and tulsa would not be growing the way they are with out the low tax environment pro business framework of the STATE

Not really. Most of the growth is from people within the state leaving rural areas for the closest urban center, not people leaving a high tax state and flooding into Oklahoma.

Not really. Most of the growth is from people within the state leaving rural areas for the closest urban center, not people leaving a high tax state and flooding into Oklahoma.

the state is in the top 10 states in growth this decade ..

I am just stating facts, and provided recent data to back it up. To say Oklahoma is nothing or not growing without OKC or Tulsa is a conjected statement in itself. OKC and Tulsa are in Oklahoma...lol

Take DFW, Houston, Austin, & San Antonio out of Texas and see what kind of state it is...:wink:

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

Take DFW, Houston, Austin, & San Antonio out of Texas and see what kind of state it is...:wink:

Exactly. I love when people move goal posts to fit their desired outcome. Take Kansas City and St Louis out of Missouri, and what do you get? Or Wichita and Kansas City out of Kansas. Or Denver and Colorado Springs out of Colorado.

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro. This is really surprising! That is a good influx of growth, however, I am surprised because OKC or Tulsa have not attracted any major corporate HQ's to the State. Typical O&G State along with agriculture. This has a lot to do with the "culture" of the State. My perception only. Oklahoma has much potential to grow and prosper, however is it in their collective will if they choose to make it happen.

The industry is turning in OKC, our aerospace industry is growing tremendously. And it also seems like we are getting a new manufacturing, distribution, or fulfillment plant announced every month, and I am ok with that. These are decent paying jobs, and jobs brings people. And they need to spend that money somewhere. Everybody is not able to work at Paycom or Devon.

At last check Florida was the fastest growing state. And I can assure you that most of those weren’t moving to Pahokee.

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

This is what I could find from the Census. Tulsa and OKC metros combined for 250,561. The rest of the state losing population brought the state's total population gain down.

Oklahoma Population 2010 - 2020
3,751,351 - 3,959,353: 208,002

OKC Metro 2010 - 2020
1,252,987 - 1,425,695 : 172,708

Tulsa Metro 2010 - 2020
937,478 - 1,015,331: 77,853

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

Who thinks 20,000 per year population increase is impressive?

Who thinks 20,000 per year population increase is impressive?

It’s more impressive than negative 400,000 per year

So if our politics and culture that everyone is complaining about are the reason the state is “circling the drain” then why are we in the top ten for population growth over the last decade and why do Florida and Texas sit in 1 & 2 on the same list?

I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of things to fix but those of you liberal leaning people constantly whining about the state “circling the drain” and being unlivable aren’t any different than conservatives in IL, CA, NY, etc complaining about those state’s liberal leaders ruining them. Its all extreme melodrama and hyperbole on both sides. It’s pretty clear that your definition of the right answer depends on which side of the aisle you fall on and I’ve been on the site long enough to predict exactly how all of you will answer nearly every time. Though I still haven’t seen a good answer as to how our crazy politicians are the problem yet Florida and Texas have the same crazy politicians but are both killing it growth wise right now.

So if our politics and culture that everyone is complaining about are the reason the state is “circling the drain” then why are we in the top ten for population growth over the last decade and why do Florida and Texas sit in 1 & 2 on the same list?
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We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

No income tax states but not no tax states. They get their revenue other ways than income tax.

We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

Do a true comparison of what people pay in taxes. Texas is higher than Oklahoma, I believe. Property taxes are real, I know you are ignoring them in your comment, however.

Do a true comparison of what people pay in taxes. Texas is higher than Oklahoma, I believe. Property taxes are real, I know you are ignoring them in your comment, however.

Hey, I’m glad you think our near the bottom GDP per person and avg family income is a great thing. Let’s keep cutting education and maybe we can keep driving low paying low skill jobs to our state. Lol

Hey, I’m glad you think our near the bottom GDP per person and avg family income is a great thing. Let’s keep cutting education and maybe we can keep driving low paying low skill jobs to our state. Lol

There is no anchor tied to your butt keeping you here. If all you do is complain, then from a mental health perspective (for all of us), you can move to liberal bastions you praise like Dallas or Nashville.

I'm not giving the state a pass, by any means. I hate that we are in the mess we are. But being holier-than-thou on a message board isn't going to fix anything. We need to get the future of the state to start caring about these problems. But you waxing poetically about how dumb the state is won't help that. You don't bring discussion points to the table. Just bash the state and anyone who remotely tries defending it, and then move on.

There are plenty of kids in this state that get a good education. Explain that with how horrible people continue to say our education system is. A lot of getting educated is what the student puts into it. And how involved the parents are. Every year graduating classes have honor students and valedictorians. How structured the parents make seeing that their kids are educated is so important. I think single parent homes are a lot to blame as it contributes to a lack of involvement with their kids education. I used to work with a lot if Vietnamese immigrants and their kids were always honor roll students because as parents they took their kids education very serious. I always did good in school because my parents were very involved and made sure I did the work and made the grades. It's not always just throw more money at the education system. Teachers pay? Yes they should get paid more especially with what they have to put up with in the class room these days. We have a niece that is a teacher and some of the stories she tells are unbelievable when it comes to kids behavior in the classrooms. But even more money that won't change a lot of the kids attitude towards learning. It has to start at home.

Guess I touched a nerve. Lol.

Guess I touched a nerve. Lol.

You're right. I fed the troll. You win this round.