I fly infrequently.

American emailed looking for people to change flight times:

Earn credit for a future trip
Select the amount you wish to receive, in the form of a travel credit. You’ll receive this amount if you’re chosen to move flights (lowest amount will be chosen first).

They are only offering $150 - $350.

I remember hearing there's a rule or law that you could get like $1400 when the flight is overbooked.

Involuntarily denied boarding is different than asking for volunteers. They have to ask for volunteers first and don’t need to offer any set amount of compensation for voluntarily switching flights on their request. You don’t have to. And if they IDB you then you are entitled to the compensation formula in the carriage agreement. I’m not sure what AA’s policy is.

We flew OKC-Seattle in late June through Alaskan Air and they were offering $2,000 for two seats on the plane. Never seen it that high.

Question maybe Catch 22 will know, why does Alaskan charge so much more than American to fly to or from LAX even though they both use this airline called American Eagle? And why can’t you book through American Eagle directly? I don’t understand how that works. When I say Alaskan charges more, I mean several hundred dollars more each way.

Involuntarily denied boarding is different than asking for volunteers. They have to ask for volunteers first and don’t need to offer any set amount of compensation for voluntarily switching flights on their request. You don’t have to. And if they IDB you then you are entitled to the compensation formula in the carriage agreement. I’m not sure what AA’s policy is.

Ok, we'll see what happens.

Thank you for the info

Question maybe Catch 22 will know, why does Alaskan charge so much more than American to fly to or from LAX even though they both use this airline called American Eagle? And why can’t you book through American Eagle directly? I don’t understand how that works. When I say Alaskan charges more, I mean several hundred dollars more each way.

Alaska and American have a codeshare agreement. Alaska places their code on American flights and vice versa. Since it is not a joint venture they are not allowed to coordinate fares or schedules. So Alaska charges what they want, and American charges what they want. They have an agreed amount that they will pass on to the other carrier. So codeshares almost always cost more because, Alaska in this case will want to take a little skim off the top. But the operating carrier will keep the majority of the revenue. The real benefit of it has to do with mileage redemption. Alaska frequent fliers can purchase a flight to LAX with Alaska miles even though American will operate the flight, it is in this area that it provides the most benefit for the carriers. They know they won't sell a lot of cash tickets in this arrangement, but it allows for a broader network for each airline's frequent fliers. Same with regard to American, you can use your AA miles to purchase an AA codeshare flight on Alaska.

If it were an approved joint venture, they could coordinate fares and schedules and would be allowed to have one price displayed. Since they are both Oneworld partners there are going to be many routes they offer this as a convenience to their frequent fliers. As I mentioned this is to benefit mile redemption more often than not, and not off-the-shelf fares.

Ok, we'll see what happens.

Thank you for the info

Anymore the odds of getting invol'd are pretty slim. Enough people take advantage of the proactive offers that it brings the risk down considerably for them. In many cases, the voluntary amounts are tiny because the plans someone had 2 months ago when they booked the flight are different than the day they are taking it, so enough people will jump at the offer.

"Look honey, they are offering a complimentary change to the 7pm flight instead of us taking the 3pm, so we can get lunch with your brother after all!"

Catch, thank you man you are blessing to this fu€king board.

We flew OKC-Seattle in late June through Alaskan Air and they were offering $2,000 for two seats on the plane. Never seen it that high.

On SW yesterday (HOU-HRL) they were offering $1200 to take a flight 6 hours later. I would have but was going to meeting and couldn't change

https://www.courant.com/2023/08/01/avelo-will-launch-flights-to-puerto-rico-in-november/

New Haven has a flight to Puerto Rico before OKC...not Hartford, New Haven. And before you say "there's money in Connecticut," that money isn't using New Haven's airport.

Edited to remove international (my mistake)

https://www.courant.com/2023/08/01/avelo-will-launch-flights-to-puerto-rico-in-november/

New Haven has an international flight before OKC...not Hartford, New Haven. And before you say "there's money in Connecticut," that money isn't using New Haven's airport.

Umm.... Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. Flights to PR are not international

Might as well be. But you are correct. I mis-typed. But they still have a flight to a place OKC can only dream of. And are a tiny fraction of the airport OKC is.

Might as well be. But you are correct. I mis-typed. But they still have a flight to a place OKC can only dream of. And are a tiny fraction of the airport OKC is.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm guessing not, because if you had, you might have found the following passage to be of interest:


According to the Center for Puerto Rican Studies, Connecticut had the sixth-highest population of Puerto Rican residents of any state in 2019, at more than 300,000, with the highest concentration in Hartford.

“We have a reason to believe that there’s a demand for the product and so this is really about that,” Levy said. “This is about serving the wants and needs of the residents that live in the state of Connecticut who are very loyal customers of ours. And that’s probably the single top of the list of markets people had asked for.”

/dead

https://www.courant.com/2023/08/01/avelo-will-launch-flights-to-puerto-rico-in-november/

New Haven has a flight to Puerto Rico before OKC...not Hartford, New Haven. And before you say "there's money in Connecticut," that money isn't using New Haven's airport.

Edited to remove international (my mistake)

below probably has something to do with this, okc def does not have:


According to the Center for Puerto Rican Studies (https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/reports/puerto-ricans-in-connecticut-state-2019/#:~:text=Between%202010%20and%202019%2C%20Connecti cut's,percent%20from%20264%2C708%20to%20302%2C027. ), Connecticut had the sixth-highest population of Puerto Rican residents of any state in 2019, at more than 300,000, with the highest concentration in Hartford.
“We have a reason to believe that there’s a demand for the product and so this is really about that,” Levy said.

I think the lesson to be learned here is that OKC should focus on our advantages, such as having bigger populations of latin/hispanic residents in Oklahoma than CT has for Puerto Ricans, and convince an airline or two to give OKC international flight(s) to Latin America. It's going to happen, just a matter of having the leadership and will that CT does. Once again, comes down to leadership and will.

below probably has something to do with this, okc def does not have:



I think the lesson to be learned here is that OKC should focus on our advantages, such as having bigger populations of latin/hispanic residents in Oklahoma than CT has for Puerto Ricans, and convince an airline or two to give OKC international flight(s) to Latin America. It's going to happen, just a matter of having the leadership and will that CT does. Once again, comes down to leadership and will.

No it comes down to economics.

No it comes down to economics.

And a competent airport director. /s/

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airports-networks/tulsa-eyes-international-service-traffic-continues-rise

If Tulsa gets a nonstop to Mexico before us...

Also pretty impressive growth by them... almost the same route network with half the traffic. Nice

Also pretty impressive growth by them... almost the same route network with half the traffic. Nice

No Alaska or Frontier though. TUL-CUN would be cool but not sure what airline would even fly there?

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airports-networks/tulsa-eyes-international-service-traffic-continues-rise

If Tulsa gets a nonstop to Mexico before us...

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. OKC is one of those markets that is bigger that isn't served, but nothing that has happened over the last year makes me think they truly are trying for international service.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. OKC is one of those markets that is bigger that isn't served, but nothing that has happened over the last year makes me think they truly are trying for international service.

So you have inside knowledge of everything that has happened over the last year? While Tulsa is going to add facilities for international flights. OKC already has that in place and hasn't bulldozed it yet.

So you have inside knowledge of everything that has happened over the last year? While Tulsa is going to add facilities for international flights. OKC already has that in place and hasn't bulldozed it yet.

No. I don't. But I can see that OKC is not actively adding any new locations, maybe adding a frequency to a couple routes, but more so losing destinations. Definitely not adding anything. The current brain trust gave 4 prime new gates to an airline that does not care about OKC at all. If those are the people trying to make those decisions and recruit airlines here, then I have no faith at all.

And a competent airport director. /s/

Exactly. If we can’t get an airport director that can make Puerto Rican flights international in OKC and support Oklahoma’s 12,000 residents of Puerto Rican heritage…why even have a director at all?

So you have inside knowledge of everything that has happened over the last year? While Tulsa is going to add facilities for international flights. OKC already has that in place and hasn't bulldozed it yet.

Frankly, I’m surprised that the airport director hasn’t demo’d it himself just to spite the market he’s actively trying to destroy.

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Exactly. If we can’t get an airport director that can make Puerto Rican flights international in OKC and support Oklahoma’s 12,000 residents of Puerto Rican heritage…why even have a director at all?

LOL, flights to Puerto Rico are not international. And 12,000 people of Puerto Rican heritage are a vey LONG way from enough to be able to support regular flights there. I'm of British heritage. I'm sure there are a considerably larger number of Oklahomans with British heritage than 12,000. Why aren't you complaining about no nonstop flights to London?

Frankly, I’m surprised that the airport director hasn’t demo’d it himself just to spite the market he’s actively trying to destroy.

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Please give details to support that statement. You must have a very good reason to believe that.

Please give details to support that statement. You must have a very good reason to believe that.

Obviously not very familiar with the rest of the thread and immune to the effects of sarcasm lol.

LOL, flights to Puerto Rico are not international. And 12,000 people of Puerto Rican heritage are a vey LONG way from enough to be able to support regular flights there. I'm of British heritage. I'm sure there are a considerably larger number of Oklahomans with British heritage than 12,000. Why aren't you complaining about no nonstop flights to London?

See answer above…and the rest of the thread.

No. I don't. But I can see that OKC is not actively adding any new locations, maybe adding a frequency to a couple routes, but more so losing destinations. Definitely not adding anything. The current brain trust gave 4 prime new gates to an airline that does not care about OKC at all. If those are the people trying to make those decisions and recruit airlines here, then I have no faith at all.

Calling Puerto RIco "International" and then saying "It might as well be", while comparing a captive market Puerto Rican market in New Haven with OKC is ludicrous.

Then, OKC did not "give" 4 gates to DL. All airlines were invited to re-bid thieir leases when the expansion was announced, and DL was the most aggressive so got 3 of the new gates.

Finally DL leases 3, not 4, gates - 26, 28 & 30. Gate 32 is unassigned. Your obvious feeble grasp of facts really needs to be worked on.

Obviously not very familiar with the rest of the thread and immune to the effects of sarcasm lol.

Don’t worry, those of us familiar chuckled lol

Honestly, an interesting international option would be a non-stop to Guatemala City given our large population and consulate here, though I doubt American would want to cannibalize DFW ops

Calling Puerto RIco "International" and then saying "It might as well be", while comparing a captive market Puerto Rican market in New Haven with OKC is ludicrous.

Then, OKC did not "give" 4 gates to DL. All airlines were invited to re-bid thieir leases when the expansion was announced, and DL was the most aggressive so got 3 of the new gates.

Finally DL leases 3, not 4, gates - 26, 28 & 30. Gate 32 is unassigned. Your obvious feeble grasp of facts really needs to be worked on.

So what you're saying is...the international gate is open for the daily service San Juan that we've been deprived of?

Honestly, an interesting international option would be a non-stop to Guatemala City given our large population and consulate here, though I doubt American would want to cannibalize DFW ops

I was actually thinking that as well. No idea if we have a Guatemalan population that could support it but the fact that it's large enough for a consulate seems to indicate there's a chance.

Don’t worry, those of us familiar chuckled lol

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I was actually thinking that as well. No idea if we have a Guatemalan population that could support it but the fact that it's large enough for a consulate seems to indicate there's a chance.
As I said before, there are much larger populations with a heritage from other countries or places like Puerto Rico without flights to those destinations from OKC. Just consider Vietnam for one. We don't and won't have flights to Hanoi. While you are entitled to hope, what you want just has no chance of happening for many many years and it is not because of anything "not" being done by the airport director. There might be enough interest to have one flight a month at most and there is NOTHING the airport could do to convince an airline to do that.

This may be of interest...from the July meeting of the airport trust:

Professional Services Contract with Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., for Project No. OCAT WRWA
2409, "Federal Inspection Services Facility Buildout” in the amount of $899,767.

Background:
Interviews for potential consultants were conducted on April 10, 2023. Following the interviews,
The Consultant Review Committee selected Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., as the highest ranked
firm.
Justification:
The Trust, with the recently completed Terminal Expansion Project, provided a shell space for
future development of a Federal Inspection Station (“FIS”) and a General Aviation Inspection
Facility (“GAF”). Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) have agreed to staff this facility if the
Trust builds out the space.

The buildout of this space will provide the Airport capability to
accommodate inbound international travel. CBP will have the means to facilitate the deplanement
and screening of commercial and general aviation international flights and passengers.
A Contract has been negotiated with Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., and is presented for approval.
The Contract includes total compensation as not-to-exceed the amount of $899,767, which
includes $869,677 for Basic Services, $0.00 for Additional Services, and $30,090 for
Reimbursable Expenses. The estimated construction cost is $12,500,000.

Recommendation: Contract be approved.


Later in the packet it notes that next May the construction contract will be awarded. So the airport is clearly not just letting the recently completed space sit empty. Now of course who knows if this means that there will be international flights announced anytime soon, but the airport will be ready should the opportunity arise. And CBP will indeed have the say if they staff the facility or not, as catch22 has already mentioned.

Strong month. It feels like all the planes are full ! Everybody in green except Delta.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/July%202023%20Enplanement.pdf

This may be of interest...from the July meeting of the airport trust:

Professional Services Contract with Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., for Project No. OCAT WRWA
2409, "Federal Inspection Services Facility Buildout” in the amount of $899,767.

Background:
Interviews for potential consultants were conducted on April 10, 2023. Following the interviews,
The Consultant Review Committee selected Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., as the highest ranked
firm.
Justification:
The Trust, with the recently completed Terminal Expansion Project, provided a shell space for
future development of a Federal Inspection Station (“FIS”) and a General Aviation Inspection
Facility (“GAF”). Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) have agreed to staff this facility if the
Trust builds out the space.

The buildout of this space will provide the Airport capability to
accommodate inbound international travel. CBP will have the means to facilitate the deplanement
and screening of commercial and general aviation international flights and passengers.
A Contract has been negotiated with Frankfurt-Short-Bruza, P.C., and is presented for approval.
The Contract includes total compensation as not-to-exceed the amount of $899,767, which
includes $869,677 for Basic Services, $0.00 for Additional Services, and $30,090 for
Reimbursable Expenses. The estimated construction cost is $12,500,000.

Recommendation: Contract be approved.


Later in the packet it notes that next May the construction contract will be awarded. So the airport is clearly not just letting the recently completed space sit empty. Now of course who knows if this means that there will be international flights announced anytime soon, but the airport will be ready should the opportunity arise. And CBP will indeed have the say if they staff the facility or not, as catch22 has already mentioned.

The build out of the space is $12,500,000? Where is this space and what is justifying that price tag?

Not sure if it's been discussed but the equipment type for OKC-MIA is listed as mainline. A319.

If true, I'm impressed with how AA is treating OKC

The build out of the space is $12,500,000? Where is this space and what is justifying that price tag?

There is a space in the most recent terminal expansion that is empty and was built specifically for this reason. It is a shell space now. I believe it is underneath where the newest gates are.

Reading in the packet, there are lots of CBP specific items that must be included in the space which is probably why the cost is 12 million. Things like conveyors for the luggage, etc.

The space is part of the recent terminal expansion. I believe it is under those gates on the east side of the terminal. The space was built specifically for this reason. It is a shell space now and there is a gate that is designed to handle wide body aircraft if I remember correctly.

Reading more into the packet, the cost may have something to do with CBP specific requests. Things like special conveyor belts, etc. Might explain why it costs as much as it does.

Not sure if it's been discussed but the equipment type for OKC-MIA is listed as mainline. A319.

If true, I'm impressed with how AA is treating OKCAnd back to daily.

Strong month. It feels like all the planes are full ! Everybody in green except Delta.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/July%202023%20Enplanement.pdf

could reach 5 million pax? a new record, wow!

could reach 5 million pax? a new record, wow!

Considering we are at 2.5 with 5 months left, and those 5 months are usually pretty slow (aside from December), 4 million is about right.

Considering we are at 2.5 with 5 months left, and those 5 months are usually pretty slow (aside from December), 4 million is about right.

We may get close to our best years of 2018 and 2019 with 4.3 to 4.4 million.

Looks like we are slightly ahead of our 2018 pace but slightly behind 2019.

2018: 1,231,207 enplanements + 1,229,508 deplanements = 2,460,715 total passengers
2019: 1,270,915 enplanements + 1,267,149 deplanements = 2,538,064 total passengers
2023: 1,250,199 enplanements + 1,250,172 deplanements = 2,500,371 total passengers

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/July2018Enplanement.pdf
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/July2019Enplanement.pdf
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/July%202023%20Enplanement.pdf

The growth of AA and SWA is impressive.

Would expect AA continues to add capacity next year

I'm going to look at the United numbers at work tomorrow. They don't look right to me, again.

TUL also getting LGA via Delta starting in May

TUL also getting LGA via Delta starting in May

Now hopefully they add back TUL-MSP.

I think OKC- BOS is not far behind

Glad this page has been telling us new routes for Tulsa, so it can serve a purpose.

Now hopefully they add back TUL-MSP.

I think OKC- BOS is not far behind

While that would be cool, I'd rather have an LAX Delta route from OKC, or at least more frequent SLC service. Delta can get people east pretty easily, but not west...

Just booked a flight to CVG for the first time in decades (going to OU-Cincinnati on 9/23). I remember when OKC and TUL had multiple daily non-stops to CVG when Delta ran their Comair hub there. Instead I have to go to MDW on the way there and through DEN on the way back.

I know for awhile Delta still ran an XNA-CVG nonstop due to Wal-Mart's connection with P&G but I looked and they ended that too.

Just booked a flight to CVG for the first time in decades (going to OU-Cincinnati on 9/23). I remember when OKC and TUL had multiple daily non-stops to CVG when Delta ran their Comair hub there. Instead I have to go to MDW on the way there and through DEN on the way back.

I know for awhile Delta still ran an XNA-CVG nonstop due to Wal-Mart's connection with P&G but I looked and they ended that too.

When I moved to OKC, I remember seeing some OKC-CVG on Northwest before the Delta merger. I think this one is a victim of airlines consolidation.

When I moved to OKC, I remember seeing some OKC-CVG on Northwest before the Delta merger. I think this one is a victim of airlines consolidation.

Comair (Delta Connection) operated a monster hub out of CVG in the 90's and 00's: at its peak they had 670 daily departures and 130 destinations. After Delta acquired Northwest they started to drawdown the CVG hub along with MEM. You could even fly to London, Paris and Amsterdam from Cincinnati and Memphis. I think BNA could be what CVG used to be and operate as a Mid-South hub for Southwest.

Comair (Delta Connection) operated a monster hub out of CVG in the 90's and 00's: at its peak they had 670 daily departures and 130 destinations. After Delta acquired Northwest they started to drawdown the CVG hub along with MEM. You could even fly to London, Paris and Amsterdam from Cincinnati and Memphis. I think BNA could be what CVG used to be and operate as a Mid-South hub for Southwest.
I took the Memphis to London and Amsterdam flights and they were pretty good. Seems like forever ago though!

Glad this page has been telling us new routes for Tulsa, so it can serve a purpose.

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Just booked a flight to CVG for the first time in decades (going to OU-Cincinnati on 9/23). I remember when OKC and TUL had multiple daily non-stops to CVG when Delta ran their Comair hub there. Instead I have to go to MDW on the way there and through DEN on the way back.

I know for awhile Delta still ran an XNA-CVG nonstop due to Wal-Mart's connection with P&G but I looked and they ended that too.

United is supposedly running nonstop service to CVG for that game but I can't find it. I assume it sold out.

https://aeroxplorer.com/articles/united-airlines-adds-127-nonstop-flights-for-college-football-season.php

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