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BG918
03-09-2023, 03:32 PM
And Tulsa and OKC's CSAs also combine for 2.7 million people. But Stroud only has 2,000 people instead of the SLC MSA of 1.3 million.

Yes I've never understood why the cities between OKC and Tulsa along I-44 are so small. If they were larger they may be a bigger push for regional rail.

BoulderSooner
03-09-2023, 04:18 PM
The irony in that OKC to Tulsa are only 25 miles further than Ogden to Provo.

which would be fine if the biggest city in the state in stroud

chssooner
03-09-2023, 04:27 PM
I never meant to imply it was the same situation... just that they have amount the same amount of people in the same area. My bad.

brianinok
03-10-2023, 06:11 AM
The irony in that OKC to Tulsa are only 25 miles further than Ogden to Provo.If Tulsa was actually 25 miles closer to OKC it might have sprawled toward OKC rather than away from it. And then we could have legitimately talked about a combined airport halfway between. But it's not, so we're not. So, we can move on. :)

catch22
03-10-2023, 07:35 AM
I’m pretty sure SLC has a hub because their airport director has a nationwide calling plan, while OKC has local only.

LakeEffect
03-10-2023, 08:36 AM
I’m pretty sure SLC has a hub because their airport director has a nationwide calling plan, while OKC has local only.

:Smiley122

But seriously though, do airlines have data for all origination/destination travelers for themselves AND competitors? Isn't it kind of like a chicken and egg situation - you don't know if you're going to have the travelers until you try a market?

Or do they only look at their competitors? I.E., if one airline isn't getting OKC-LAX to turn a great profit, they won't try to even add their own to compete?

BoulderSooner
03-10-2023, 09:05 AM
I’m pretty sure SLC has a hub because their airport director has a nationwide calling plan, while OKC has local only.

haha

catch22
03-10-2023, 09:18 AM
:Smiley122

But seriously though, do airlines have data for all origination/destination travelers for themselves AND competitors? Isn't it kind of like a chicken and egg situation - you don't know if you're going to have the travelers until you try a market?

Or do they only look at their competitors? I.E., if one airline isn't getting OKC-LAX to turn a great profit, they won't try to even add their own to compete?

There are various subscription services that provide market analysis, data aggregation, and traffic data to the airlines on the bulk level. There is also government O&D data that is publicly available: DOT consumer air fare report as well as T100 tables.

By the time an airline is ready to launch a route, they have a pretty good idea of expected revenue, passenger traffic, market stimulation, and hub contribution (connection flow).

For the most part all of the airlines have access to the same data, and are pretty good at guessing the competition’s performance as well as airfare data and load factors are available publicly. They can spot when a competitor has struck a gold mine, or are in a market that is really struggling not worth protecting.

HOT ROD
03-10-2023, 11:59 AM
Salt Lake City's consolidated metro area (with Ogden and Provo) has 2.7 million people. More than Kansas City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statist ical_areas

the list of CSAs is beyond ridiculous for most of the cities listed. Corvallis is now part of Portland CSA? Loongview Wa also?? scratching head, these places are 100 miles away and there is not contiguous development, not even Portland to Salem - which I could sort of get behind actually. Seattle now includes Centralia?????? and Mount Vernon??? WHAT? makes NO sense.

why are they so generous with most of these cities cSA yet they do not give OKC Kingfisher county - i know it's not a lot of people but the people there do likely work/shop in OKC just the same if not moreso than as say Corvallis to Portland. .. lol.

I do generally agree with the SLC CSA as it is rather contiguous having been there many times, but including the mountain communities? scratch head again. the ONLY sizable city outside of the CSA is St George and Price but I'd agree the pop does congregate in the front area.

amocore
03-13-2023, 09:52 AM
Hello,

These numbers are great, but they are so spectacular for United that I doubt of their correctness.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/February%202023%20Enplanement%20Report.pdf

catch22
03-13-2023, 12:10 PM
I can’t post the exact numbers but United should be around 21,000 in and out (42K total)

It’s interesting that the numbers reported by OKC are exactly doubled of the United Express total, but not inclusive of mainline operations (which did occur according to the report I am looking at).

amocore
03-13-2023, 12:20 PM
According to this report, the number of United passengers is a whooping 64,500 for February. The double from last year !

gopokes88
03-13-2023, 04:26 PM
I wonder if we see AA catch up to Southwest again this year. They keep adding routes and increased frequencies. Wasn't a 2nd daily to LGA the latest one?

Richard at Remax
03-13-2023, 09:39 PM
I wonder if we see AA catch up to Southwest again this year. They keep adding routes and increased frequencies. Wasn't a 2nd daily to LGA the latest one?

They are running 3x daily to PHX right now too. For the longest time it seems like it had only been 2x

s00nr1
03-14-2023, 12:22 AM
I find the United numbers very hard to believe considering the complete dearth of mainline to its hubs and no return of service to IAD, EWR, or, SFO.

catch22
03-14-2023, 08:39 AM
As stated they are not correct. 21k (16k UAX 5k mainline) for around 42K for the month.

gopokes88
03-14-2023, 01:25 PM
They are running 3x daily to PHX right now too. For the longest time it seems like it had only been 2x

The longer term potential growth of AA at OKC is exciting. They're the only one consistently growing in OKC.

BG918
03-17-2023, 01:53 PM
The longer term potential growth of AA at OKC is exciting. They're the only one consistently growing in OKC.

Realistically though outside of increasing frequencies and resuming service to PHL, what else would AA add out of OKC? Highly doubtful they would pursue any point-to-point flying.

shai2022
03-17-2023, 04:43 PM
Realistically though outside of increasing frequencies and resuming service to PHL, what else would AA add out of OKC? Highly doubtful they would pursue any point-to-point flying.

Boston. Louisville and Memphis have directs there on American.

bombermwc
03-22-2023, 08:22 AM
Recently had a trip and as always, i come back appreciating our small airport.

Went through the dreaded pile of crap that is O'Hare like usual. God i hate that airport and the world seems to go through it. It is such a complete pile of crap.

I did go through Pittsburgh too and I have to say that I was surprised there. The terminal itself is a bit odd in that once you get through security, you have to take a tram to get to the actual gate section and walking is not an option. They come every minute or so, so it's super fast. I'm wondering in OKC, if we ever decided to physically move the gate structure (or add a second terminal) if that would be better than moving sidewalks. It was WAAAAY faster. Sort of like Orlando, but underground. The terminal was laid out in a bit of an unusual X pattern, but it made it very easy to walk the entire 100 gates or so super easily. Not very many food options for that many gates (and far more gates than that airport really needs given its low traffic, but that's what happens when you lose your hub status for an airline that gets bought out).

And if you have not done PreCheck, man it makes like easier not having to strip down, remove laptops/etc. Those CLEAR people are trying to sell you the entire time you're in line, but i'm not paying that crap.

Now what i will say is that I really wish Will Rogers could up its game to less commuter jets and more real airplanes. I am so tired of Embrair and Candair planes with crappy overhead space where half the plane has to gate check. I'd give up flight times to get an honest to goodness Boeing plane for once.

s00nr1
03-28-2023, 05:00 PM
Had a business trip to and from Tucson for a quick 2 hour lunch meeting last Thursday on United:

OKC-IAH on a CR9........completely full
IAH-TUS on a 739......maybe half full and I actually received an upgrade on this leg (never happens out of IAH)
TUS-DEN on an A320.....also maybe half full, all 4 exit rows were completely empty, save for me in 21C with a whole row to myself
DEN-OKC on a CR2......United had to offer $1000 vouchers to 4 volunteers in order to get this plane out of Denver.

Absolutely blows my mind UA would be running empty mainline to a place like TUS and absolute junk (but overbooked) aircraft like CR2s to OKC. Something just doesn't add up to me.

catch22
03-28-2023, 11:21 PM
United mainline load factor is in the upper 60% in OKC for the months I averaged (this is from official data inside United’s system not estimating). They just aren’t filling the seats. 76 seats seem to be the magic airplane for OKC. There just aren’t enough of them to hit all the markets they need them in. With the freight house being closed around 2014 mainline is a money loser for United in OKC unfortunately. When we had mainline to Houston with the freight house open we did quite a bit of oil business freight. Drill bits, etc. not sure what half of it was but very heavy small objects on pallets. Likely pretty impactful revenue wise. Oil companies will pay whatever cost it is to send a drill bit on overnight service to the field.

catch22
03-28-2023, 11:28 PM
If United’s product was a match for the market they would be the dominant carrier with 3-4 mainline trips each to DEN, ORD, and IAH. You cover all 3 directions with massive volume. Then hit the corners with 2x daily to EWR, IAD, SFO for premium nonstop to those markets and good international coverage.

I think AA and WN are just too suited to the target OKC traveler for UA to make any traction around these parts, similar story for Delta which just may be too premium heavy. United is trying to be the global airline of choice for US based travelers. Delta is trying to be the premium airline of choice for domestic travelers, and AA is trying to be the value-legacy carrier of choice for domestic passengers with a healthy selection of premium options for those who may desire it. All 3 are doing well in that but that product won’t win every market.

brianinok
03-29-2023, 06:55 AM
Had a business trip to and from Tucson for a quick 2 hour lunch meeting last Thursday on United:

OKC-IAH on a CR9........completely full
IAH-TUS on a 739......maybe half full and I actually received an upgrade on this leg (never happens out of IAH)
TUS-DEN on an A320.....also maybe half full, all 4 exit rows were completely empty, save for me in 21C with a whole row to myself
DEN-OKC on a CR2......United had to offer $1000 vouchers to 4 volunteers in order to get this plane out of Denver.

Absolutely blows my mind UA would be running empty mainline to a place like TUS and absolute junk (but overbooked) aircraft like CR2s to OKC. Something just doesn't add up to me.I've had this experience too. Not with TUS. It's maddening. Not because I want to always fly United, but because I want a decent option to their hubs that I fly to as the destination, and there's rarely any decent option. I've given up on any changing planes itineraries on United-- those are exclusively AA trips for me, or the occasional Delta flight through ATL. I refuse to get on a CRJ-200 unless for IRROPS.

shai2022
03-29-2023, 07:06 PM
Just curious why similar sized markets like Memphis, Des Moines, Omaha, Tucson, Louisville etc have so much more mainline service than OKC. Hard to believe all those markets have that much stronger demand than Okc, particularly to United hubs like Houston/Denver. 6 daily flights to Houston on regional jets just seems absurd.

Bits_Of_Real_Panther
04-05-2023, 09:11 AM
Does anyone remember how many nonstop Delta flights OKC - MSP they used to operate pre pandemic? I'm thinking at least 3x daily.

Anyway, I've been looking at flights, and am only seeing 1 nonstop per day now, what a bummer.

chssooner
04-05-2023, 09:30 AM
Almost as if these airlines just don't respect the OKC airport.

Jersey Boss
04-05-2023, 10:00 AM
Almost as if these airlines just don't respect the OKC airport.

Nah, respect for OKC has nothing to do with this. It is respect for the bottom line, profit. The airlines do not operate in a command economy.

chssooner
04-05-2023, 10:03 AM
Nah, respect for OKC has nothing to do with this. It is respect for the bottom line, profit. The airlines do not operate in a command economy.

I know. Just seems OKC is the first to go. And every plane out of OKC is packed or oversold. So they either don't care about OKC, or aren't being properly informed about the market. I fly 5 or 6 times a year. Every single flight I am on is packed. Most oversold with people on standby. I know, anecdotal evidence. But OKC should be getting more mainline service, not less, or having flights to hubs cut.

Maybe I just want too much for our "big-league city".

catch22
04-05-2023, 10:07 AM
Does anyone remember how many nonstop Delta flights OKC - MSP they used to operate pre pandemic? I'm thinking at least 3x daily.

Anyway, I've been looking at flights, and am only seeing 1 nonstop per day now, what a bummer.

3x daily, all on 200s usually. I do remember one summer it went to 4x daily but it was very short-lived and never happened again.


Almost as if these airlines just don't respect the OKC airport.

MSP is only 70% as large as it was pre-pandemic. It's a shame Delta doesn't respect MSP either.


Minneapolis is Delta's second-largest hub. In the week starting June 21st, it has 4,236 take-offs and landings, according to the latest OAG data. There are between 551 and 629 movements each day. Still, the SkyTeam carrier's Minneapolis flights are at just 72% of what they were in the same period in 2019.

https://simpleflying.com/minneapolis-delta-air-lines-second-busiest-hub/

Richard at Remax
04-05-2023, 10:46 AM
I noticed the fall some days SWA are running 3x daily to Las Vegas. Nice addition.

That's what I have been seeing lately out of OKC. More frequencies/bigger aircrafts vs more routes. I think we'll see some big markets reinstated soon.

BG918
04-05-2023, 11:00 AM
Where are you connecting to from MSP? Unless it's in the upper midwest there are usually better connecting flights from Chicago if going northeast. Denver and SLC are best for anything northwest. St Louis is actually great for mid-Atlantic routes. There are some decent international routes but not as many as Chicago or Dallas.

I know there is some O&D in Minneapolis but it's not a major destination

chssooner
04-05-2023, 11:06 AM
Where are you connecting to from MSP? Unless it's in the upper midwest there are usually better connecting flights from Chicago if going northeast. Denver and SLC are best for anything northwest. St Louis is actually great for mid-Atlantic routes. There are some decent international routes but not as many as Chicago or Dallas.

I know there is some O&D in Minneapolis but it's not a major destination

Some people fly Delta for rewards or other purposes. Not having Detroit or Minneapolis as viable options is bad for those people.

Honestly, they should give up on Delta caring about OKC amd switch to American Airlines for their rewards.

brianinok
04-05-2023, 03:53 PM
Does anyone remember how many nonstop Delta flights OKC - MSP they used to operate pre pandemic? I'm thinking at least 3x daily.

Anyway, I've been looking at flights, and am only seeing 1 nonstop per day now, what a bummer.I have flown this route religiously for years. The current situation has NEGATIVELY induced demand it is so bad, for me and those I know who use it. For several years it fluctuated between 3-4 daily, depending on the day of the week. This was after the Delta merger. It wasn't until 2018 or so that Delta started to reduce it to about 2 per day much of the year. It has not returned to more than 1 flight per day since the pandemic started. It's very annoying.

gopokes88
04-05-2023, 04:51 PM
I know. Just seems OKC is the first to go. And every plane out of OKC is packed or oversold. So they either don't care about OKC, or aren't being properly informed about the market. I fly 5 or 6 times a year. Every single flight I am on is packed. Most oversold with people on standby. I know, anecdotal evidence. But OKC should be getting more mainline service, not less, or having flights to hubs cut.

Maybe I just want too much for our "big-league city".

LMAO. It's not an emotional decision dude. It's just business

catch22
04-05-2023, 05:37 PM
If you've ever watched Shark Tank, the airline revenue management department is Mr. Kevin O'Leary. They don't care about the story to get there or if they are selling rubber dog turds, they only care about the bottom line when evaluating a market. If any of the Big 3 could make a 15% return on every seat put in the OKC market you'd see a much different level of service. Historically, OKC has been a 5-10% margin market, which is even somewhat recent. That's not terrible, but it's not exactly floating high on everyone's list. For context for United, systemwide margin is 9%. Anything that can pull greater than 9% is likely to be grown, anything under 9% and that capacity is at risk to be moved to somewhere it can earn better than 9%. If you are running a station at 5-10% you need some really good justification to keep growing it when there are better options out there.

A 30-day run (round trip) for a 737-900 on OKC-DEN costs roughly 1 million dollars. At 100%LF all 30 days you need to average $85.70 per seat to break even. Doesn't sound terrible until you factor in that is only 1 leg of a trip. Say you are selling a bunch of junk fares to Las Vegas, Sacramento, and Seattle at $165 each to fill this thing up. Your fare-contribution is cut in half on connections, so OKC-DEN is earning $82.50 and DEN-LAS is earning $82.50. Those $3/seat you are losing on your lowest fares now need to be made up in the higher fare classes which OKC is highly sensitive to. As a market analyst you run a high risk of only selling out the junk fares, and the "premium swing" doesn't materialize closer to departure. You get a few higher-fare tickets sold but not enough of them. You have now sold 120 out of 179 seats at an average contribution of $115. It is departure time and you've spent $15,300 in expenses to run today's flight and only brought in $13,800 in revenue. You've got a problem if this happens every day, or even many days per month as the "good days" may not bring up the losses.

179 seats x 500 miles x 17.14 cost per seat mile / 100 (cents) = $15,340 average cost for OKC-DEN 737-900
$15,340 / 179 seats = $85.70

You can stick a 76-seater on it and know with good confidence every seat will likely be sold. Your 76 seater costs $6,513 to run in the same scenario. You have a limited supply of seats so you can forget selling some junk fares, and concentrate on some higher yield fare buckets. Just for fairness we will keep the fare-contribution the same as the previous example, $115. You bring in $8,740 in revenue on $6,513 of expenses. With the lack of low-fare buckets you may actually bring in a higher yield and easily double your money on the right days.

76 seats x 500 miles x 17.14 cost per seat mile / 100 cents = 6,513

These are the things to consider. AA's formula may be more forgiving and/or their product stimulates the market in ways UA and DL do not. Maybe they are losing money in OKC but it is a corporate strategy to hold onto interior markets close to DFW. Who knows. It's working for them but other airlines struggle in the OKC market with larger jets. At the end it all comes down to money.

catch22
04-05-2023, 05:45 PM
I promise it is nothing personal. You can have a very friendly airport director that sends hot donuts to the network planning office every Monday. But someone still needs to buy those last 50 seats every day that are making me lose money on this mainline trip. Someone has to sit in those seats and pay more than $82.50 average contribution. If you don't have that, I'm putting the airplane somewhere else that will. Because I want to keep my job. That's what is going on in your network planning office. They work in cubicles crunching numbers to put airplanes where they will consistently make money. All day 9-5 they are looking at what routes are making money and which ones aren't.

Bits_Of_Real_Panther
04-05-2023, 05:46 PM
I have flown this route religiously for years. The current situation has NEGATIVELY induced demand it is so bad, for me and those I know who use it. For several years it fluctuated between 3-4 daily, depending on the day of the week. This was after the Delta merger. It wasn't until 2018 or so that Delta started to reduce it to about 2 per day much of the year. It has not returned to more than 1 flight per day since the pandemic started. It's very annoying.

Yeah I remember taking a fall 2019 Thursday flight around 2pm to MSP, I was meeting up with family and friends for the Thursday night NFL game.

Timing worked great, took the light rail from the airport to downtown hotel to drop off luggage and met for happy hour before heading to the game.

chssooner
04-05-2023, 06:13 PM
I promise it is nothing personal. You can have a very friendly airport director that sends hot donuts to the network planning office every Monday. But someone still needs to buy those last 50 seats every day that are making me lose money on this mainline trip. Someone has to sit in those seats and pay more than $82.50 average contribution. If you don't have that, I'm putting the airplane somewhere else that will. Because I want to keep my job. That's what is going on in your network planning office. They work in cubicles crunching numbers to put airplanes where they will consistently make money. All day 9-5 they are looking at what routes are making money and which ones aren't.

Then apparently OKC doesn't make many airlines a lot of money. Losing multiple frequencies and routes over 3 years, more than comparably sized airports, must show OKC is a money pit. Not sure why that is.

I hope it changes.

no1cub17
04-05-2023, 09:02 PM
I know. Just seems OKC is the first to go. And every plane out of OKC is packed or oversold. So they either don't care about OKC, or aren't being properly informed about the market. I fly 5 or 6 times a year. Every single flight I am on is packed. Most oversold with people on standby. I know, anecdotal evidence. But OKC should be getting more mainline service, not less, or having flights to hubs cut.

Maybe I just want too much for our "big-league city".

There aren't enough pilots. Not for the regionals, not for mainline. Hence air service is still not back to pre-pandemic levels. Unfortunately RJ routes like OKC-MSP and OKC-DTW are low hanging fruit. AA, for all they've added here, still have not resumed routes like OKC-PHL, and can't sustain OKC-MIA year-round.

I would love my hometown AZO to be back to 4x daily ORD on AA/UA and 4-5x daily DTW + 2x daily MSP on DL the way it was pre-pandemic. But that's just not realistic at this time, or ever unfortunately.

And just because there are people on the standby list doesn't at all mean that the flight is oversold. People can be on the standby list due to IRROPS, or they could be elites trying to catch an earlier flight, or they could be non-revs (just a few examples). So yeah, anecdotal evidence is just that. I'm sure if DL thought they could profitably fly OKC-MSP or OKC-DTW mainline, they would.

brianinok
04-06-2023, 08:48 AM
I promise it is nothing personal. You can have a very friendly airport director that sends hot donuts to the network planning office every Monday. But someone still needs to buy those last 50 seats every day that are making me lose money on this mainline trip. Someone has to sit in those seats and pay more than $82.50 average contribution. If you don't have that, I'm putting the airplane somewhere else that will. Because I want to keep my job. That's what is going on in your network planning office. They work in cubicles crunching numbers to put airplanes where they will consistently make money. All day 9-5 they are looking at what routes are making money and which ones aren't.Seem like there should be some middle ground. Why is UA consistently asking me to pay $400+ to fly to Denver on a CRJ-200? That's not $82.50. And it's significantly more for the non-CRJ-200 flights. Those are the economy seats, which I don't buy. ....driving to Denver again.

gopokes88
04-06-2023, 09:45 AM
Some summer routes getting cut simply to avoid delay meltdowns.

It’s far more complicated than anything okc does.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/06/why-airlines-are-flying-bigger-planes.html


Now that we have the new gate maybe we get an up-gauge on American for an LGA route or something? I know okc-Dallas has a few A321s on it.

gopokes88
04-06-2023, 09:46 AM
If you’ll just switch to AA you’ll have a deep love for OKC’s airport.

catch22
04-06-2023, 09:59 AM
Seem like there should be some middle ground. Why is UA consistently asking me to pay $400+ to fly to Denver on a CRJ-200? That's not $82.50. And it's significantly more for the non-CRJ-200 flights. Those are the economy seats, which I don't buy. ....driving to Denver again.

I see plenty of one way fares on UA to Denver for around $100, which after taxes is probably about $80 one way. Probably losing money or breaking even on those fares. How far out are you booking? What days of the week?

brianinok
04-07-2023, 06:50 AM
I see plenty of one way fares on UA to Denver for around $100, which after taxes is probably about $80 one way. Probably losing money or breaking even on those fares. How far out are you booking? What days of the week?Typically 2-5 months out. I rarely wait until the last minute. I'd rather cancel and have a credit than book at the last minute, though it happens on occasion. Planes are so full waiting until the last minute is a loser for me. I book all days of the week, as they're for various reasons. But it has to fit within my schedule so I don't have 100% flexibility. I'm looking at a late June to early July to DEN right now. I realize that's around the 4th, but surely that doesn't jack up every fare for weeks on end. Maybe it does when your capacity is as low as OKC....

catch22
04-07-2023, 05:12 PM
I see. I wish UA would add some capacity. I remember when we flew a 757 on some peak days to DEN. I agree with everyone that it is frustrating -- I find it very frustrating because it makes it difficult for me to non-rev to OKC when every single seat seems to be full, all the time -- so more than anyone on this forum I wish UA would add some actual capacity back to the market. But there are actual market forces at work the number 1 being the pilot shortage.

I can recall from memory that July and August 2012, 2013 were probably the highest capacity months to Denver, with plenty of junk fares to spare on all 3 carriers.

F9 was 3x daily A319
WN was 3x daily 73G
UA had 6x daily mix of RJ and 2x mainline.

Richard at Remax
04-12-2023, 08:55 AM
Not us but interesting

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-cuts-transcon-suspends-26-routes/

shai2022
04-23-2023, 04:09 PM
Looks like nonstop to Miami on AA is year-round now, no longer seasonal.

https://www.travelagentcentral.com/transportation/american-airlines-announces-new-routes-from-miami

Richard at Remax
04-23-2023, 06:22 PM
Nice!

brianinok
04-24-2023, 06:53 AM
Right now the OKC-MIA route is Saturday only. The article says it is daily. I hope as part of this change it is going back to daily. That would be helpful.

BG918
04-24-2023, 08:32 AM
Right now the OKC-MIA route is Saturday only. The article says it is daily. I hope as part of this change it is going back to daily. That would be helpful.

Yeah Saturday-only is really only good for people doing cruise trip vacations. TUL-MIA is still Sat only on AA, hopeful it goes daily as well. MIA is our only non-stop connection to South Florida.

gopokes88
04-24-2023, 12:43 PM
Yeah Saturday-only is really only good for people doing cruise trip vacations. TUL-MIA is still Sat only on AA, hopeful it goes daily as well. MIA is our only non-stop connection to South Florida.

Huge for Caribbean travel as well. Will help the bleed to Dallas a little bit.

PoliSciGuy
04-24-2023, 07:42 PM
Will Rogers Airport had its busiest March ever (https://flyokc.com/record-march-2023-passenger-numbers):


Will Rogers World Airport (OKC)had a record for passenger traffic for March 2023. For the month OKC had 391,389 passengers which is 22% higher than 2022 and 10.6% higher than the previous record in March 2019. There were, also a record 980,188 passengers that flew in and out of OKC from January through March. So far this year, WRWA has outperformed the airport’s previous record set in 2019 by 44,845.

Seems likely that this year will be a record-breaker overall

gopokes88
04-24-2023, 07:54 PM
Holy United
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/March%202023%20Enplanement%20Report.pdf

s00nr1
04-24-2023, 08:21 PM
Holy United
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/March%202023%20Enplanement%20Report.pdf

I just don't see how that's possible considering the low frequencies and current equipment being flown to/from OKC. Really quite comical when you list it out.

OKC-IAH (in order of departure time):
7x daily -
E175
E175
CR2
CR9
E175
CR9
E175

OKC-DEN:
4x daily -
E175
E175
CR2
CR7

OKC-ORD
2x daily -
E175
E175

By my quick look, it appears OKC is the largest MSA United serves without some sort of mainline service (even Tulsa has UA mainline).

catch22
04-24-2023, 11:16 PM
^^^ I’ll check when I get back to work but I looked into February’s UA numbers and they were not correct. I wouldn’t be surprised if March is the same. See below.


I can’t post the exact numbers but United should be around 21,000 in and out (42K total)

It’s interesting that the numbers reported by OKC are exactly doubled of the United Express total, but not inclusive of mainline operations (which did occur according to the report I am looking at).

catch22
04-24-2023, 11:18 PM
Mainline returns to DEN on an A319. Sticks for the summer.

Celebrator
04-24-2023, 11:31 PM
Ieven Tulsa has UA mainline).

Curiosity got the best of me. First departures of the day are mainline. To DEN on A320 and to IAH on 738. However they also run E135 and 145 on TUL-DEN.

brianinok
04-25-2023, 08:42 AM
^^^ I’ll check when I get back to work but I looked into February’s UA numbers and they were not correct. I wouldn’t be surprised if March is the same. See below.If you calculate out those equipment capacities I believe it is physically impossible for them to have that many passengers in a month. But I also doubt Delta was down that much. Maybe some of Delta's was applied to United?? Who knows....

s00nr1
04-25-2023, 09:03 AM
Curiosity got the best of me. First departures of the day are mainline. To DEN on A320 and to IAH on 738. However they also run E135 and 145 on TUL-DEN.

Basically the same as our CR2's haha.