gopokes88
11-13-2023, 08:44 AM
That’s not really what the article says.
View Full Version : 2023 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread gopokes88 11-13-2023, 08:44 AM That’s not really what the article says. DelCamino 11-14-2023, 08:48 AM Interesting article on the history of airline deregulation and the overall impact on air service. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/14/airline-travel-washington-regulation-00126892 Jersey Boss 11-14-2023, 01:42 PM That’s not really what the article says. What does the article reallt say? Is AA not in trouble? Does the article refute the banner? amocore 11-15-2023, 08:46 AM Disappointing to lose the AA to Austin. ( I’m on it tomorrow) Hopefully SW won’t pull out either. Huge October numbers: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/October%202023%20Enplanement.pdf Richard at Remax 11-15-2023, 09:26 AM Frontier numbers are interesting. I casually don't see more frequency to either Denver or Las Vegas, yet they are up 112%? DowntownMan 11-15-2023, 07:21 PM Disappointing to lose the AA to Austin. ( I’m on it tomorrow) Hopefully SW won’t pull out either. Huge October numbers: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/October%202023%20Enplanement.pdf I think this is more of an issue with Austin than OkC. They are trying to reduce flights there because the volume is so high they can’t handle it. s00nr1 11-15-2023, 09:47 PM Disappointing to lose the AA to Austin. ( I’m on it tomorrow) Hopefully SW won’t pull out either. Huge October numbers: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/October%202023%20Enplanement.pdf Has SW ever hit 80k px in a month here? gopokes88 11-16-2023, 03:14 PM I think this is more of an issue with Austin than OkC. They are trying to reduce flights there because the volume is so high they can’t handle it. demand was weak out of Austin as well. damonsmuz 11-17-2023, 09:04 PM Anyone know if OKC is having any upgauges(equipment upgrades) in flights for Thanksgiving? HOT ROD 11-19-2023, 01:15 AM Disappointing to lose the AA to Austin. ( I’m on it tomorrow) Hopefully SW won’t pull out either. Huge October numbers: https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/October%202023%20Enplanement.pdf Should put OKC close to the 4.4 million pax mark if all holds firm. I'll be happily adding to the OKC totals in December. ChaseDweller 11-21-2023, 01:34 PM One thing that I don't get. How do the numbers work out for Clear in OKC? 6,800 PAX departures per day in a good month. I would guess no more than 1% have clear, so they are helping about 60-70 customers a day with 4-5 employees? How can that make economic sense? Urbanized 11-21-2023, 02:40 PM It's probably more than 1% though..? I have Clear plus TSA Pre-check myself, but certainly it is for use in other airports. I was in Orlando last week and it saved me an hour vs no pre-check at all, and probably 20 or more minutes vs JUST pre-check. That said, in OKC the attendants are always excited when a Clear passenger shows up; it always feels like you're their first one of the day. ChaseDweller 11-23-2023, 10:55 AM It's probably more than 1% though..? I have Clear plus TSA Pre-check myself, but certainly it is for use in other airports. I was in Orlando last week and it saved me an hour vs no pre-check at all, and probably 20 or more minutes vs JUST pre-check. That said, in OKC the attendants are always excited when a Clear passenger shows up; it always feels like you're their first one of the day. Same. Clear is a real time-saver in large airports. In OKC it's nice to have, but doesn't shave off that much time on most days. brianinok 11-24-2023, 05:33 AM It's probably more than 1% though..? I have Clear plus TSA Pre-check myself, but certainly it is for use in other airports. I was in Orlando last week and it saved me an hour vs no pre-check at all, and probably 20 or more minutes vs JUST pre-check. That said, in OKC the attendants are always excited when a Clear passenger shows up; it always feels like you're their first one of the day.I assume it's more than 1%. I have it along with my family and extended family. When I fly I often (but not always) see someone going through Clear just before or after me, but rarely at the same time. A few times in the early morning bank there's been a very short wait at Clear, but that's the exception. They have a number of locations that are similar in size to OKC so I believe it makes sense for them to be here or they wouldn't. I often fly out in the early morning bank so I love it! warreng88 11-24-2023, 10:46 AM It's probably more than 1% though..? I have Clear plus TSA Pre-check myself, but certainly it is for use in other airports. I was in Orlando last week and it saved me an hour vs no pre-check at all, and probably 20 or more minutes vs JUST pre-check. That said, in OKC the attendants are always excited when a Clear passenger shows up; it always feels like you're their first one of the day. It's funny you mention Orlando as that is the sole reason we got TSA precheck. We just got back from Orlando and the line to get through TSA around 3 wasn't too bad. Precheck was probably 15 minutes total and the regular TSA line posted a time of 28-38 minutes. I have noticed more airports letting people make reservations for TSA now. Most notably for us MCO and Denver. I am sure there are a lot others. Urbanized 11-24-2023, 01:50 PM ^^^^^^^^^^ Year, regrettably I’ve been to Orlando on business twice in the past 30 days, and actually at airport more than just arrivals/departures as my COO and I flew on different days. I found it easier/necessary to park and come inside the terminal when picking him up, due to timing and other issues. On the first trip we flew at a same-ish time, but me from Chicago and he from OKC, so we had coordination/meetup time in terminal. Since I was in the terminal(s) multiple times with extra time on my hands I paid a lot of attention to security checkpoints in order to better plan my next trip through. Pretty reliably the regular checkpoint ran an hour or more, TSA Precheck ran 20-40 minutes, and Clear+ TSA Pre-check ran like 5 minutes; 10 if you included the scanner (and were behind a family with strollers). Clear+ precheck is the only way to fly. I’ll never go back. brianinok 11-25-2023, 06:17 AM ^^^^^^^^^^ Year, regrettably I’ve been to Orlando on business twice in the past 30 days, and actually at airport more than just arrivals/departures as my COO and I flew on different days. I found it easier/necessary to park and come inside the terminal when picking him up, due to timing and other issues. On the first trip we flew at a same-ish time, but me from Chicago and he from OKC, so we had coordination/meetup time in terminal. Since I was in the terminal(s) multiple times with extra time on my hands I paid a lot of attention to security checkpoints in order to better plan my next trip through. Pretty reliably the regular checkpoint ran an hour or more, TSA Precheck ran 20-40 minutes, and Clear+ TSA Pre-check ran like 5 minutes; 10 if you included the scanner (and were behind a family with strollers). Clear+ precheck is the only way to fly. I’ll never go back.Clear + Precheck is the only way to go at MCO. I'll never go back. Well, it's the way to go anywhere it's offered, really. :) Mesta Parker 11-25-2023, 02:26 PM I guess I have been lucky. I go through MCO once or twice a year and it has never been more than 5 to 10 minutes with Precheck. BoulderSooner 11-27-2023, 09:37 AM I guess I have been lucky. I go through MCO once or twice a year and it has never been more than 5 to 10 minutes with Precheck. same for me damonsmuz 12-15-2023, 02:43 PM This seems odd. Delta is trying to build up a focus city in Austin,TX. They just announced flights between Austin and Midland,TX Will be interesting to see if Delta tries to take over the routes that AA has been operating out of AUS and we get flights to AUS on Delta. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/15/delta-beefs-up-austin-flights-in-battle-for-fast-growing-airport.html gopokes88 12-15-2023, 03:34 PM This seems odd. Delta is trying to build up a focus city in Austin,TX. They just announced flights between Austin and Midland,TX Will be interesting to see if Delta tries to take over the routes that AA has been operating out of AUS and we get flights to AUS on Delta. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/15/delta-beefs-up-austin-flights-in-battle-for-fast-growing-airport.html They need a texas foothold. Austin was just too close to DFW network wise. gopokes88 12-15-2023, 03:35 PM Decent month. Not great but still growing. https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/November%202023%20Enplanement.pdf chssooner 12-15-2023, 06:19 PM With no new routes, frequencies, or upgauges, the plateau will begin shortly. gopokes88 12-15-2023, 08:59 PM I’ve heard American will be announcing 2 new destinations and some additional frequencies soon. Getting PHL back, Las Vegas direct, another DFW daily and an additional phx daily. chssooner 12-15-2023, 09:05 PM I’ve heard American will be announcing 2 new destinations and some additional frequencies soon. Getting PHL back, Las Vegas direct, another DFW daily and an additional phx daily. That would help a ton! HOT ROD 12-15-2023, 10:54 PM Looks ike we're going to make 4.3M pax for 2023, the record 4.4M is possible. I will be helping OKC out a bit! HeHe. Richard at Remax 12-16-2023, 10:07 AM I’ve heard American will be announcing 2 new destinations and some additional frequencies soon. Getting PHL back, Las Vegas direct, another DFW daily and an additional phx daily. I would totally love this but I can't see AA giving us a direct to Vegas. AA in Vegas is only connected to their hubs and focus cities. HangryHippo 12-16-2023, 10:30 AM I’ve heard American will be announcing 2 new destinations and some additional frequencies soon. Getting PHL back, Las Vegas direct, another DFW daily and an additional phx daily. Getting PHL back would be nice. I hate that Delta serves us so poorly, especially with OU’s move to the SEC upcoming. There will be lots of travel via ATL, but we can’t get Detroit, Boston, Austin, or Los Angeles? BG918 12-16-2023, 03:49 PM This seems odd. Delta is trying to build up a focus city in Austin,TX. They just announced flights between Austin and Midland,TX Will be interesting to see if Delta tries to take over the routes that AA has been operating out of AUS and we get flights to AUS on Delta. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/15/delta-beefs-up-austin-flights-in-battle-for-fast-growing-airport.html I could definitely see Delta running regional flights out of AUS and OKC/TUL would likely be adds. I would love to see a second daily AUS flight - I don’t see Southwest going 2x with the 737 especially running OKC-SAT 1x/daily HOT ROD 12-17-2023, 12:06 AM I think Delta is well positioned to serve OKC better than it has as OU moves into the SEC next year. I expect more flights to open up, with Delta better utilizing their prime gate space - finally. Would love Delta, AA, and United to resume flights to all of their hubs. We're likely to hit 4.4M without that, just imagine what OKC could do if all hubs were served. ... fromdust 12-17-2023, 03:28 AM https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/business/new-2-3-million-lounge-planned-at-tulsa-international-airport/article_9204b1bc-9ab1-11ee-ada6-678295117084.html Anything this planned in okc? brianinok 12-18-2023, 09:17 AM This is the first time I question the management of our airport. If Tulsa can get a Priority Pass lounge then so can we. And we should have had one before now. Routes from OKC can only be effected by airport management so much. The airport experience can. PhiAlpha 12-18-2023, 10:25 AM This is the first time I question the management of our airport. If Tulsa can get a Priority Pass lounge then so can we. And we should have had one before now. Routes from OKC can only be effected by airport management so much. The airport experience can. I'm not sure where they're putting it but it probably helps that TUL has a massive footprint and a ton of space in it's terminal. I'm sure they could fit one in somewhere at Will Rogers but it might be something that would need to be done as part of a future development. I certainly have no desire for one of the restaurants or public spaces to be replaced with a prioirty lounge that I could never use LOL. Richard at Remax 12-18-2023, 11:24 AM The only two spaces that come to mind are: the area where the old checkpoint used to be where it's just full of tables and chairs. The second one would possibly by capturing the old Breeze gate next to Starbucks and converting that to a club space. Mainly due to due having exterior views. _Cramer_ 12-18-2023, 02:39 PM The only two spaces that come to mind are: the area where the old checkpoint used to be where it's just full of tables and chairs. The second one would possibly by capturing the old Breeze gate next to Starbucks and converting that to a club space. Mainly due to due having exterior views. I immediately thought of the old checkpoint space too. If you look they have a faux wall there to split the space. You could remove that and close that restroom and combine/remodel for the lounge. Would love this in OKC! Especially with that Amex platinum. CaptDave 12-18-2023, 03:11 PM Some sort of lounge would be very nice at WRWA. Priority Pass lounges are often on the small side and could work well in OKC. The old TSA checkpoint makes sense and could even work as a temporary location until something more permanent as a future development is complete. oktxatty 12-19-2023, 10:15 AM In a recent conversation with a contact at Delta about lounge overcrowding, she told me the vast majority of people visiting airport lounges are connecting passengers, who want a place to login, have a beverage and cool their heels between flights. Very few are originating at their home airport, as not that many people go to the airport early just to 'hang out' (although deayed departures for orginating pax can add to the mix) and also want to get home or to the office when they arrive back home. I rarely arrive @ OKC more than 45 minutes before departure and have no desire to stay there when I get back. Since there are few if any people connecting through OKC, I think the appeal will be limited. They do need to find something productive to do with empty gates 20, 22, and 24 until another airline shows up or SW adds a gate, although besides JetBlue or Spirit, all the US major airlines already serve OKC, and neither of those two are currently showing an interest in OKC. _Cramer_ 12-19-2023, 03:21 PM In a recent conversation with a contact at Delta about lounge overcrowding, she told me the vast majority of people visiting airport lounges are connecting passengers, who want a place to login, have a beverage and cool their heels between flights. Very few are originating at their home airport, as not that many people go to the airport early just to 'hang out' (although deayed departures for orginating pax can add to the mix) and also want to get home or to the office when they arrive back home. I rarely arrive @ OKC more than 45 minutes before departure and have no desire to stay there when I get back. Since there are few if any people connecting through OKC, I think the appeal will be limited. They do need to find something productive to do with empty gates 20, 22, and 24 until another airline shows up or SW adds a gate, although besides JetBlue or Spirit, all the US major airlines already serve OKC, and neither of those two are currently showing an interest in OKC. Like you, I currently arrive maybe 45 minutes early. I love WRWA because I can park, pass through pre-check and arrive at my gate in about 15 minutes, especially if I'm not checking a bag. However, if there was a lounge I would probably arrive earlier to get food and a drink instead of paying for it in the terminal. Lounges don't let you in unless you have a boarding pass for an upcoming flight. gopokes88 12-19-2023, 04:13 PM We aren't getting a lounge lol Jersey Boss 12-19-2023, 04:56 PM Like you, I currently arrive maybe 45 minutes early. I love WRWA because I can park, pass through pre-check and arrive at my gate in about 15 minutes, especially if I'm not checking a bag. However, if there was a lounge I would probably arrive earlier to get food and a drink instead of paying for it in the terminal. Lounges don't let you in unless you have a boarding pass for an upcoming flight. If the lounge is inside the gate areas everybody has a boarding pass. You can't clear TSA without it. I doubt they would put it before TSA as what connecting passenger would want to clear security just to go to a lounge. Rover 12-20-2023, 08:38 AM Like you, I currently arrive maybe 45 minutes early. I love WRWA because I can park, pass through pre-check and arrive at my gate in about 15 minutes, especially if I'm not checking a bag. However, if there was a lounge I would probably arrive earlier to get food and a drink instead of paying for it in the terminal. Lounges don't let you in unless you have a boarding pass for an upcoming flight. All my lounges I’ve used were available only by joining and paying every year, or by achieving a certain status with the airline. It isn’t just free food and drinks. And I don’t think I ever went to one on my first or last visit to the airport. Jeepnokc 12-20-2023, 10:03 AM I am a frequent user of lounges, primarily Delta Sky Lounge or AMEX Centurion but have used Escape Lounges, United and the new Chase Lounge. They are handy and I sometimes will go to airport early if I don't have anything else to do other than kill time at hotel before flight. Most do not allow access upon arrival. I thought I had seen an article about the airport expansion where they mentioned a possible lounge for OKC but can't find it. There are several places it could go as they don't have to be on the main floor. The old Delta baggage area, the sky deck on 2 when you walk past TSA. Installation of elevators or escalator so connects past TSA and add needed utilities. I have seen a few clubs outside of TSA but that sucks and is a pain in the ass and difficult to time arrival at gate. My perfect flight is one where the club is next to the departing gate and i can walk out of the club when boarding starts and walk right onto the plane. Bonus if a connecting flight and the incoming flight is also right next to the club:) Paule4ou 12-21-2023, 01:00 PM I immediately thought of the old checkpoint space too. If you look they have a faux wall there to split the space. You could remove that and close that restroom and combine/remodel for the lounge. Would love this in OKC! Especially with that Amex platinum. Is all of the office space on the second floor (think above Freddy’s and Tropical Smoothie) occupied? That could be another option. Austin has both a United lounge and an Admirals Club on the second floor….still post TSA obviously. |