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Plutonic Panda
09-17-2022, 05:30 PM
This was from the last commission meeting:


Multiple Counties – Districts III and VIl (CI-2379)

The Department has selected EST. Inc. to provide preliminary engineering for I-35: from Ladd Road to Mile Marker 7. Services to include preliminary engineering studies.

CI-2379 EST, Inc.
Total Not to Exceed Amount $2,000,000.00

That’s basically from Goldsby to MM 7 near Marietta. ODOT has really been ramping up the fact I-35 needs more capacity not only just from I-40 to Norman(which will hopefully be another widening to make the freeway at least 12-14 lanes) but from the Canadian River to the Texas state line in southern Oklahoma. So it looks like we may finally get a plan to six lane I-35 which along with Texas’s plans would ensure a minimum of 3 lanes each way from OKC to Dallas, SA, or Houston. I’m very excited for this news.

Keep in mind ODOT has already started a project to widen I-35 from 6-8 lanes from Thackerville to Red River Bridges which will be modified and/or replaced. There’s another project coming up soon to extend that widening to MM 7 later this decade.

Laramie
09-17-2022, 06:43 PM
May Commission Meeting Wrap-Up: I-35 to be widened to

six lanes near Thackerville; $71 million in contracts

awarded


https://hot-town-images.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/kwtv/production/2020/February/21/odot-releases-options-for-i35-widening-project.1582308112000-0.jpeg?w=1050&h=590.617&fit=crop


Link: https://oklahoma.gov/odot/citizen/newsroom/2022/may-commission-meeting-wrap-up--i-35-to-be-widened-to-six-lanes-.html

https://oklahoma.gov/odot/citizen/major-projects/ongoing-projects/i-35-corridor-projects.html

G.Walker
09-18-2022, 08:16 AM
Great, more construction from here to Dallas, lol. However, they need to widen to 6 lanes from Norman to Dallas. I would imagine that would be a pretty penny, and Oklahoma would be footing most of that bill. Not sure if something like this would qualify for some of that Biden Infrastructure bill funds.

Snowman
09-18-2022, 03:31 PM
Great, more construction from here to Dallas, lol. However, they need to widen to 6 lanes from Norman to Dallas. I would imagine that would be a pretty penny, and Oklahoma would be footing most of that bill. Not sure if something like this would qualify for some of that Biden Infrastructure bill funds.

While Oklahoma may have more miles to upgrade to get to that width, typically 90% of interstate funding is federal funds.

HangryHippo
09-18-2022, 04:21 PM
Great, more construction from here to Dallas, lol. However, they need to widen to 6 lanes from Norman to Dallas. I would imagine that would be a pretty penny, and Oklahoma would be footing most of that bill. Not sure if something like this would qualify for some of that Biden Infrastructure bill funds.

I’d have to search for it, but ODOT has gone on record saying I-35 is as wide as it’s going to be between OKC and Norman. They didn’t buy right of way and it’s now cost prohibitive/development is too close to widen any further.

G.Walker
09-18-2022, 04:48 PM
I'm talking about from Norman to the Red River state line. Supposedly Texas is widening to 6 lanes from Dallas to the Red River state line already.

Plutonic Panda
09-18-2022, 04:50 PM
I'm talking about from Norman to the Red River state line. Supposedly Texas is widening to 6 lanes from Dallas to the Red River state line already.
TxDOT is actually widening their section to 8 lanes. The first phase will be 6 lanes but it will be built to be expanded to 4 lanes each way from Thackerville(MM 1) to Denton by the 2030s(what TxDOT refers to as the “ultimate buildout”). Part of I-35 will be built on a completely new alignment in Texas by Gainesville.

I don’t think Texas has started any work yet except for the section in Denton. I know they awarded the contacts but I don’t know if work has started. The second phase of the I-35 E express lanes should also start shortly along with the expansion of I-35W into Fort Worth to six lanes(3 each way). They’ve already started all construction work south of the DFW metropolis to ensure I-35(both E & W) are a minimum of three lanes each way. They need to add as many lanes as possible.

Denton to Dallas will be 12-14 lanes(total) and ideally it’d be 20 lanes each way but that’s too expensive. Anything will help in Dallas. We’ll also see an expansion of the Heartland Flyer services from OKC-Dallas so traveling to and from DFW is about to get a lot better. I just wish they’d add a special Amtrak train straight into Dallas instead of Fort Worth.

Plutonic Panda
09-18-2022, 04:59 PM
It would be very nice to see the North Dallas Tollway extended to Purcell with a 100MPH speed limit. Then I’d stop getting so many tickets. I love the OHP and I’m sure they love me. One can dream right? ;)

HangryHippo
09-18-2022, 05:01 PM
I'm talking about from Norman to the Red River state line. Supposedly Texas is widening to 6 lanes from Dallas to the Red River state line already.

You sure did, lol. I can’t read. My bad. I took the “from here to Dallas” part and ran with it.

Plutonic Panda
09-18-2022, 05:09 PM
I’d have to search for it, but ODOT has gone on record saying I-35 is as wide as it’s going to be between OKC and Norman. They didn’t buy right of way and it’s now cost prohibitive/development is too close to widen any further.
Just FYI, they’re saying that to justify building the turnpike expansions. I-35 will be widened to 10-14 lanes between OKC and Norman likely in the form of HO/T lanes. They will initiate a study to expand the interstate sometime this decade likely within the next 3-5 years. The section from Moore to Norman is already going to be studied for general purpose lane expansion as part of the service road project they are undergoing.

Plutonic Panda
09-18-2022, 05:38 PM
^^^ FWIW that widening will come from 28-36. I don’t know anything else than that.l, but I-35 in south OKC will be widened regardless of what “official” statements are released.

MagzOK
09-18-2022, 05:49 PM
I’d have to search for it, but ODOT has gone on record saying I-35 is as wide as it’s going to be between OKC and Norman. They didn’t buy right of way and it’s now cost prohibitive/development is too close to widen any further.

Bring on a big dig and make a tollway underneath I-35 from OKC down through Moore. Have it start downtown just south of the river and come out at new turnpike bordering Moore/Norman with very limited access in-between. See I-635 between I-35 and US-75 in Dallas. Awesome. That's what OTA and ODOT should partner on.

Plutonic Panda
09-18-2022, 06:54 PM
^^^ the OTA and ODOT are already pretty much the same entity now.

Plutonic Panda
08-29-2023, 03:05 PM
Love County Project scoping page is live: https://blanton.events/ODOT_I-35_LoveCo_vpm/

Plutonic Panda
09-13-2023, 04:06 AM
TW Article on it: https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/oklahoma-transportation-officials-eye-widening-i-35/article_6086a4b0-50d3-11ee-89e1-8bf63ebc16a0.html

jompster
09-13-2023, 01:47 PM
I noticed last trip through to Dallas that they're working on the alignment fix near Gainesville. It'll be nice to dull that curve there out a little.

scottk
09-13-2023, 03:36 PM
We make the trip to Dallas a lot, the stretch between the I35E/I35W split in Denton to the Oklahoma state line is where we always have the most congestion. A lot of the Texas traffic exits either in Gainesville or Thackerville. OK Exit 3 northward seems to be just fine most of the time.

bombermwc
09-19-2023, 08:40 AM
Made the trip from OKC to Dallas and back recently and tried to pay close attention to where the asphalt is still there, and where we've updated to concrete.

I think after the last 20 years or so, we're about 3/4 there. And what's nice is that about 1/2 to 3/4 of that asphalt that's left, is actually in good shape. There's really only a short area that is bad asphalt and they are converting to concrete, one of the previously bad sections. So I actually would give ODOT some props here. It's taken a long time, but they've also created (or are creating) something that will last a very long time, and even longer with an eventual shave job.

35 in TX sucks and will continue to suck. And a LOT of that traffic just exits at Winstar and never goes in further into OK. It's pretty drastic, the drop-off in the cars after exit 1. So let TX build all those extra lanes they want to bring us that casino money. But north of there, i think ODOT is doing just fine.

I do wish 35 between Norman and downtown could get a few extra lanes, and 44 basically from Hefner to 240. But the expense of those....man oh man.
I'm thinking once the 40-44 junction gets done, that mess on 40 west of 44 will clear up some, but as long as 44 itself is only 3 lanes on either side, it's gonna keep sucking.

MagzOK
09-19-2023, 11:36 AM
I agree, ODOT has made tremendous strides rehabbing 35. It's taken a very long time, but yes it's really nice.

I also agree with your assessment of northbound traffic generally exiting at the Windstar. 35 is awful there between the casino and the Denton area it's just packed with cars. They've been working on quite the widening project through Gainesville south for a ways. That will be nice.

I do think 35 needs to be six-laned from Norman to Purcell, much like how they did I40 out west through El Reno. Traffic through this area is pretty thick every time we drive it -- several times monthly. And people often still camp in the passing lane literally right at the speed limit also it's so aggravating.

BoulderSooner
09-19-2023, 11:43 AM
Love County Project scoping page is live: https://blanton.events/ODOT_I-35_LoveCo_vpm/

what a great little site that is ..

MagzOK
09-19-2023, 11:48 AM
^^ yes it is. It's a really nice presentation.

mugofbeer
09-19-2023, 11:49 PM
I noticed last trip through to Dallas that they're working on the alignment fix near Gainesville. It'll be nice to dull that curve there out a little.

Are they buying out the little XXX shop on TX exit 1? ��

warreng88
09-20-2023, 10:19 AM
By the way, it is always fun to go back on googlemaps and find photos of areas and how they came along. This one is Win Star from June of 2008.

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bombermwc
09-21-2023, 02:11 PM
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/09/21/oklahoma-traffic-interstate-35-widening-okc-texas-us-mexico-border/70877216007/

Interesting that apparently there's a push that wants to go 6 lanes from OKC to Mexico.

My problem here is that OK has just spent the last 25 years re-doing the 4 lanes. We've made such great progress and we've all had to deal with the pain that created. Are we going to have to rip that out now? It's fairly easy to add another lane to all this without breaking the bank, but bridges.....that's where it gets expensive. Having not completed the re-paving work yet, but being so far into it, I'm having a hard time supporting throwing this much money at it at the expense of other more needed projects (like metro interchanges).

Am i alone here?

warreng88
09-21-2023, 02:35 PM
I don't think you are alone. Personally, I would be all for an I-35 expansion from OKC to Purcell and Ardmore to Red River, but I don't know if it is necessary between Purcell and Ardmore yet. Maybe work on the necessary expansions and then widen the bridges from Purcell to Ardmore (65-ish miles) in case it is needed in the future. I am not sure if that is a big money saver or not, but I would guess 130 miles (both sides of the highway) would be a pretty penny...

I lived in Tulsa in the 90's when 169 was two lanes in each direction and then I started seeing bridge expansion work from 244 to 81st Street, about nine miles, and it felt like it took years. But, when it came time to expand the highway from four lanes to six lanes, it felt like that just took months and there was very little interruption in traffic.

Plutonic Panda
09-21-2023, 03:17 PM
This is based on future traffic projections and is an attempt at ODOT staying ahead of the curve before it needed.

Rover
09-21-2023, 03:26 PM
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/09/21/oklahoma-traffic-interstate-35-widening-okc-texas-us-mexico-border/70877216007/

Interesting that apparently there's a push that wants to go 6 lanes from OKC to Mexico.

My problem here is that OK has just spent the last 25 years re-doing the 4 lanes. We've made such great progress and we've all had to deal with the pain that created. Are we going to have to rip that out now? It's fairly easy to add another lane to all this without breaking the bank, but bridges.....that's where it gets expensive. Having not completed the re-paving work yet, but being so far into it, I'm having a hard time supporting throwing this much money at it at the expense of other more needed projects (like metro interchanges).

Am i alone here?

I am sure there are quite a lot of traffic studies with future projections and economic impact studies. I don't think this kind of project would go forward without it.

For future economic growth, the better the infrastructure connecting the DFW and OKC metro areas the more we will benefit. Highways, high speed train, freight trains, etc. Connection equals enhanced markets and possibilities.

DowntownMan
09-21-2023, 08:38 PM
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/09/21/oklahoma-traffic-interstate-35-widening-okc-texas-us-mexico-border/70877216007/

Interesting that apparently there's a push that wants to go 6 lanes from OKC to Mexico.

My problem here is that OK has just spent the last 25 years re-doing the 4 lanes. We've made such great progress and we've all had to deal with the pain that created. Are we going to have to rip that out now? It's fairly easy to add another lane to all this without breaking the bank, but bridges.....that's where it gets expensive. Having not completed the re-paving work yet, but being so far into it, I'm having a hard time supporting throwing this much money at it at the expense of other more needed projects (like metro interchanges).

Am i alone here?

It would probably be easier to add lanes to the new bridges than the mess we’ve all dealt with with the replacement of the old bridges. They can usually add lanes to the new more modern design bridges. This is what they did to a lot of the bridges along the tollway along memorial

mugofbeer
09-21-2023, 09:22 PM
OK, l am only just asking the question because l don't recall this earlier in the thread ..... how about a 3rd &/or 4th lane toll lane for most of the Red River to Norman segment? What's adding another billion or so to the upcoming toll road program and let users pay for the widening?

Plutonic Panda
09-22-2023, 12:11 AM
Please don’t suggest toll lanes. Keep that crap in Colorado. That start is the dumbest one in the entire country for all the toll lanes they build. What a joke. I’d rather it take 50 more years than it open tomorrow with a toll lane. GTFO here with that sh!t.

jdross1982
09-22-2023, 05:56 AM
Please don’t suggest toll lanes. Keep that crap in Colorado. That start is the dumbest one in the entire country for all the toll lanes they build. What a joke. I’d rather it take 50 more years than it open tomorrow with a toll lane. GTFO here with that sh!t.

That response is totally inappropriate!

Texas has added toll roads to major highways in this very manner and while I am not saying OK should do it or not, it is a way to expand the highway system in congested areas.

bombermwc
09-22-2023, 10:13 AM
I'm with Plutonic...no tolls. We have enough of that mess now.

TX has gone insane with them. The days of people calling TX roads so good are long since past too. The good roads are the tolls ones and they just let the regular ones fall to pieces....or take 30 years to complete a simple project. When is the last time you saw a decent shoulder on BOTH sides in any urban area? They eat those up for toll express lanes. 635 is a damned joke with the way they did that.

I work with someone that lives on the Ft Worth side, but had to go to the north side (Plano) for a meeting. 2 hr commute and it cost him $40 one way. Better to get a hotel and stay overnight next time.

TX isn't building anything new that's not a toll either. It's insane.

Mountaingoat
09-22-2023, 10:44 AM
I'm with Plutonic...no tolls. We have enough of that mess now.

TX has gone insane with them. The days of people calling TX roads so good are long since past too. The good roads are the tolls ones and they just let the regular ones fall to pieces....or take 30 years to complete a simple project. When is the last time you saw a decent shoulder on BOTH sides in any urban area? They eat those up for toll express lanes. 635 is a damned joke with the way they did that.

I work with someone that lives on the Ft Worth side, but had to go to the north side (Plano) for a meeting. 2 hr commute and it cost him $40 one way. Better to get a hotel and stay overnight next time.

TX isn't building anything new that's not a toll either. It's insane.

Good Lord, PP, get some help. Seriously. That was unhinged.

Plutonic Panda
09-22-2023, 11:28 AM
No, it wasn’t unhinged or inappropriate. Thicken you skin a little. I love mugofbeer I just think hes been in Colorado too long. Go to Colorado and enjoy their sh!tty roads. Toll lanes on I-25 between Colorado Springs and Denver. Toll lanes on I-25 to Fort Collins now. Toll lanes on the 470. Toll lanes on fu€king I-70 everywhere. It wouldn’t be so bad if they’d add more than one each way but they don’t. Someone at CDOT has a serious toll lane boner they can’t rid of and it’s my problem as I’ve spent almost a thousand dollars by this point over two years on this crap.

All they seem to do is add a single express lane it needs direction and one slow poke, screws the entire thing up and it makes it worse than the main lines. Please don’t bring that crap Oklahoma or spread it elsewhere. Texas is adding toll lanes, but usually they are two lanes in each direction with some exceptions. otherwise they have reversible toll lanes that are also two lanes. Arizona is doing this on I-17.

Please no tolls and Mug me and you need to grab a brew and step into a boxing arena for you suggesting that. ;)

Plutonic Panda
09-22-2023, 11:30 AM
Good Lord, PP, get some help. Seriously. That was unhinged.
Come out here and hang out with me. Pay 6 dollar a gallon per gas and then lay insane registration fees and then pay for toll lanes and see if you come off your hinges.

mugofbeer
09-22-2023, 10:06 PM
Come out here and hang out with me. Pay 6 dollar a gallon per gas and then lay insane registration fees and then pay for toll lanes and see if you come off your hinges.

Sorry, PP, I didn't really enjoy that kind of response, either.

The drive between Denver and the Springs is fine now because people now have a choice to use the free lanes, which are still there and the toll lane has taken much of the congestion away. Without the toll option there would still be 2 lanes of gridlock. I simply think l-35 between Norman and the Red River needs some out of the box thinking.

How angry are you about 18-wheeler only lanes?

MagzOK
09-23-2023, 07:38 AM
I'd be game for adding toll lanes in the middle of 35. There's plenty of room they could do a four-lane turnpike right down the middle and they could do plenty of on-and-offs like the HOV toll lanes in the Dallas area. Doing something like this would also alleviate congestion for wrecks as responders could simply move thru traffic to the unimpeded lanes. 635 in Dallas is great how NTTA and TxDOT has partnered with that. Don't want to drive it then don't and don't pay. It's pretty simple. I'd use it often. I agree with Mug, there does need to be some out of box thinking.

jdross1982
09-23-2023, 09:55 AM
I'd be game for adding toll lanes in the middle of 35. There's plenty of room they could do a four-lane turnpike right down the middle and they could do plenty of on-and-offs like the HOV toll lanes in the Dallas area. Doing something like this would also alleviate congestion for wrecks as responders could simply move thru traffic to the unimpeded lanes. 635 in Dallas is great how NTTA and TxDOT has partnered with that. Don't want to drive it then don't and don't pay. It's pretty simple. I'd use it often. I agree with Mug, there does need to be some out of box thinking.

If tolls were an option, I would only suggest for just south of Norman all the way to Edmond adding a lane of traffic each direction. The tolls would pay for the additional costs while lessening congestion. Is it a perfect solution? No. Is it more feasible then some quadruple stack multi level highway? Yes.

As for South of Norman to the RR, definitely think they should expand in smaller sections from S of Norman a few miles and RR up to Ardmore. Between that there isn’t much need for the next 10-15 years.

Plutonic Panda
09-23-2023, 05:43 PM
Sorry, PP, I didn't really enjoy that kind of response, either.

The drive between Denver and the Springs is fine now because people now have a choice to use the free lanes, which are still there and the toll lane has taken much of the congestion away. Without the toll option there would still be 2 lanes of gridlock. I simply think l-35 between Norman and the Red River needs some out of the box thinking.

How angry are you about 18-wheeler only lanes?
It wouldn’t be as bad if they added two toll lanes, and each direction as opposed to one. Problem is you get one slow poke and it screws the entire game.

I’m sorry about the response. Seems like people on this site are becoming very soft lately. I don’t see the big deal but if I offended you my bad.

At any rate, this conversations is pointless, because I would be very very surprised if ODOT did that. I’M PRETTY SURE IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE IN STATE LAW FOR ODOT TO OWN AN OPERATE TOll FACILITIES. And why that last sentence just changed to uppercase. I have no idea my phone just did that.

I don’t really mind 18 wheeler only lanes, but those are a few and far between. The ones that I’ve been on automobiles are allowed to drive on them as well so that’s more lanes for traffic. I often enjoy driving around 18 wheelers anyways because they’re better drivers except for when they pass each other going 0.5 miles an hour than the one next to them.

Now I do wish we would have laws and cities that would prohibit the use of semi trucks in the left lane on freeways that have three or more lanes.

Again I need to emphasize I’m not as opposed to toll lanes in general, as I am when a situation arises where there’s only a single toll lane each way. In Dallas for example or out here in LA. They have toll lanes that I use all the time and love that have 2 to 3 lanes each way. I’m fine with those.

And I don’t know how often you’re driving the 25 between Colorado Springs and Denver but I was just on it and it did jack sh!t to help with traffic congestion at least when I was on it. And of course exactly as I said some dude in a Prius was going the same speed as the regular lanes were yes which traffic was moving about 20-25 miles an hour.

Plutonic Panda
09-23-2023, 05:46 PM
If tolls were an option, I would only suggest for just south of Norman all the way to Edmond adding a lane of traffic each direction. The tolls would pay for the additional costs while lessening congestion. Is it a perfect solution? No. Is it more feasible then some quadruple stack multi level highway? Yes.
What the hell are you talking about? Who is proposing building a quadruple stack multilevel highway?

Plutonic Panda
09-23-2023, 06:02 PM
And you know what if a state like Arizona or Utah can figure out how to build roads without needing tolls to do it I’m sure Oklahoma can too. People in Oklahoma just love tolls, don’t you? In Colorado since that state can’t seem to figure out how to build a single new lane without using tolls to finance it, even though it’s one of the richest states in the country. Things like that don’t add up to me.

scottk
09-23-2023, 07:18 PM
And you know what if a state like Arizona or Utah can figure out how to build roads without needing tolls to do it I’m sure Oklahoma can too. People in Oklahoma just love tolls, don’t you? In Colorado since that state can’t seem to figure out how to build a single new lane without using tolls to finance it, even though it’s one of the richest states in the country. Things like that don’t add up to me.

Utah and Arizona don't seem to have near the number of state highways that Oklahoma does to maintain. Due to Oklahoma being "spread out" with small towns dotting the entire state, we seem to have more miles to maintain than Arizona and Utah that have large areas of "nothing" so it is easier to focus efforts on road projects.

I don't love tolls in Oklahoma, but it seems its the only way to build a decently maintained road.

The toll projections from OKC to Tulsa don't look great...

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https://kfor.com/news/local/ota-toll-rate-increase-assumptions-chart-shows-possibility-of-huge-rate-hike-for-turner-turnpike-users/

Plutonic Panda
09-23-2023, 07:20 PM
That is true, but maybe Oklahoma doesn’t need so many roads going in every direction. It would also help if people would be a bit more progressive and investing and infrastructure, raising the fuel tax and allowing ODOT to take out bonds to finance construction projects.

HangryHippo
09-23-2023, 08:20 PM
That is true, but maybe Oklahoma doesn’t need so many roads going in every direction.
This.

bombermwc
09-25-2023, 03:36 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Who is proposing building a quadruple stack multilevel highway?

You know I was thinking about stacking myself. You could create an express toll with an elevated highway the length of 35 (and getting around that messy downtown shuffle). It doesn't have to fully follow the main 35 path the entire way. It doesn't in Dallas either.

ODOT has said its cost prohibitive to do any widening on 35 (and i think 44...at least north of 40). So stacking may be the only way to get this done. It would be an absolute nightmare to drive while it was built though. At least 1 lane each way closed that entire project.

Now is that gonna happen? no. But hey...think outside the box huh?

Plutonic Panda
09-25-2023, 04:09 PM
You know I was thinking about stacking myself. You could create an express toll with an elevated highway the length of 35 (and getting around that messy downtown shuffle). It doesn't have to fully follow the main 35 path the entire way. It doesn't in Dallas either.

ODOT has said its cost prohibitive to do any widening on 35 (and i think 44...at least north of 40). So stacking may be the only way to get this done. It would be an absolute nightmare to drive while it was built though. At least 1 lane each way closed that entire project.

Now is that gonna happen? no. But hey...think outside the box huh?
Actually that might happen and I see what you’re talking about now. Sorry but this thread is about the section between the OKC Metro and TX state line so I thought someone was suggesting elevated segments in the rural areas.

Snowman
09-25-2023, 04:26 PM
You know I was thinking about stacking myself. You could create an express toll with an elevated highway the length of 35 (and getting around that messy downtown shuffle). It doesn't have to fully follow the main 35 path the entire way. It doesn't in Dallas either.

ODOT has said its cost prohibitive to do any widening on 35 (and i think 44...at least north of 40). So stacking may be the only way to get this done. It would be an absolute nightmare to drive while it was built though. At least 1 lane each way closed that entire project.

Now is that gonna happen? no. But hey...think outside the box huh?

An building and maintaining an elevated highway would make widening i35 look cheap by comparison, especially since nearly the entire way south of Norman there is enough room to add lanes in the center of existing route.

TornadoKegan
09-26-2023, 09:08 AM
I made a map on detours people can take.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1EjGGq9T_stOba8I2mTPgtmhanm1zRq4&usp=sharing

TornadoKegan
09-26-2023, 09:13 AM
Also regarding this imagine frontage roads from Gainesville up to Norman where they exist now. There would be exceptions to this like through the Arbuckles if they did that they’re growth in DFW and Oklahoma City would skyrocket

Snowman
09-26-2023, 09:42 AM
Also regarding this imagine frontage roads from Gainesville up to Norman where they exist now. There would be exceptions to this like through the Arbuckles if they did that they’re growth in DFW and Oklahoma City would skyrocket

I am pretty skeptical frontage roads would change much for most of the region between Norman/Gainesville, for medium size cities and suburbs near freeways it does give more capacity to draw additional businesses that can cater to interstate traffic and locals, though often those would just go on the mile grid roads that are near ramps if there are not frontage roads. Plus there is plenty of examples in Texas where there is little to no more population/business draw to long sections of freeways with frontage roads, more traffic, and relatively near to metro areas.

TornadoKegan
09-26-2023, 09:59 AM
Also I do believe a bypass for I 35 around Ardmore also there’s a strong possibility. I’m thinking maybe interstate 435 where it starts just north of exit 33 and then joins I 35 again at exit 29 where a US 70 bypass could go down as well

jdross1982
09-26-2023, 11:46 AM
Sorry, the earlier reference to stacking highway was solely meant for OKC and it would be targeted in areas of utmost congestion. No idea what the cost would be but the assumption that they cannot widen the current set up is due to needing to purchase more right of way on both sides of the interstate and what would that cost comparison be vs a stacked highway in targeted areas. Not saying this is my idea as I believe there needs to be more studies but just repeating what I have seen in other highway threads.

Now back to only OKC to TX I35.

Plutonic Panda
09-27-2023, 02:43 AM
Here is a Federal grant request that outlines some details on some upcoming projects regarding I 35 in McLain county: https://oklahoma.gov/odot/progress-and-performance/federal-grant-awards/mpdg-grants/mpdg-2023-2024/i-35-capacity-increase-in-mcclain-county.html

TornadoKegan
10-01-2023, 02:11 AM
From A Couple of years ago but the plans for the new Red River Bridge it looks to include a Service Road that will connect to US 77 to the North
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Source https://gaylordnews.net/7025/news/50-millions-funds-red-river-project-on-i-35/

Snowman
10-01-2023, 03:01 AM
From A Couple of years ago but the plans for the new Red River Bridge it looks to include a Service Road that will connect to US 77 to the North
18339


Source https://gaylordnews.net/7025/news/50-millions-funds-red-river-project-on-i-35/

That service road looks like a repurposing of existing I-35 southbound bridge/lanes.

Plutonic Panda
10-01-2023, 04:56 AM
That service road looks like a repurposing of existing I-35 southbound bridge/lanes.
Yes that is the plan.

mugofbeer
10-01-2023, 09:59 PM
I see they're preserving the video store on the Texas side of the river. :)

Plutonic Panda
10-02-2023, 12:58 AM
I see they're preserving the video store on the Texas side of the river. :)
That sir is a landmark and must be preserved so we know when we’re in Texas.

bombermwc
10-02-2023, 07:47 AM
That sir is a landmark and must be preserved so we know when we’re in Texas.

Welcome to Oklahoma, here's your dispensary and casino.
Welcome to Texas, here's your pornshop.

macfoucin
02-05-2024, 04:02 PM
In the ODOT commission meeting today they approved preparing construction plans for widening I-35 from Johnson Road North to Ladd Road. Construction is in the 8 year plan, 2031. This will tie into the previously announced added lanes from Norman South to Ladd Road.