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soonergolfer
08-03-2022, 02:03 PM
https://www.pgatour.com/korn-ferry-tour/news/2022/08/03/compliance-solutions-championship-university-oklahoma-announced-2023-jimmie-austin.html


Jimmie Austin in Norman will be hosting a new event on the Korn Ferry Tour named the Compliance Solutions Championship for the next 5 years. This should be a great showcase for a pretty damn good course in Jimmie. With all of the talent playing at both OU and OSU lately, this should be a well received event.

Pete
08-03-2022, 02:54 PM
That's great news and a first for that golf course after OU has poured tons of money into it.

It's a darn nice setup.

Thatguy15
08-03-2022, 03:20 PM
Played there last week from the combo tees. Tough course and they had greens rolling farily slow. From the tips and the greens rolling at 12-13 that thing would play extremely difficult.

Richard at Remax
11-29-2022, 01:44 PM
Sources: LIV Golf eventcoming to Cedar Ridge Country Club in Broken Arrow

https://golfoklahoma.org/sources-liv-golf-eventcoming-to-cedar-ridge-country-club-in-broken-arrow/?fbclid=IwAR1mAbqJCbBkQWEvW5lYCnYZkBigCXEHDUUoJ95_ PdLi0iRjWf4eei2yAmA

runOKC
11-29-2022, 01:51 PM
Wow! LIV is fairly controversial and I’m still on the fence how I feel about it. That being said, this is a big deal.

Pete
11-29-2022, 01:53 PM
Strange place for a pro tournament.

Not much of a clubhouse and the course is okay but far from the best in the area.

jerrywall
11-29-2022, 02:08 PM
Am I alone in getting real XFL v1 vibes from LIV?

Timshel
11-29-2022, 02:11 PM
Based on the turnout that most LIV events have had thus far I think they'll be ok. Cedar Ridge has hosted LPGA events in the past and it seems like LIV has struggled to even get to those numbers at most events. Would personally rather watch an LPGA event or the Korn Ferry event coming to Norman next year.

From what I understand and as noted in that article, sounds like LIV has struck out with the better courses. And it does not surprise me at all that Cedar Ridge's membership wants to align itself with LIV.

Haha and great comparison Jerrywall. Don't disagree! Though a main difference is that LIV is backed by virtually limitless amounts of money from funders that, at least in the short and medium term, don't care at all if LIV itself comes close to profitability.

runOKC
11-29-2022, 02:23 PM
Am I alone in getting real XFL v1 vibes from LIV?
It can kind of feel that way. My counterpoint would be that the best football players in the world were not playing in the XFL. LIV has siphoned off some great players, including one of the hottest players in the world, Cam Smith.

soonergolfer
11-29-2022, 04:43 PM
It can kind of feel that way. My counterpoint would be that the best football players in the world were not playing in the XFL. LIV has siphoned off some great players, including one of the hottest players in the world, Cam Smith.

I agree. No matter how you slice it or what you think about LIV tour, you still get to see 10-15 of the top 100 golfers in the world (talent-wise, maybe not "Official Rankings". I will be there in a second just to be able to watch someone like Dustin Johnson, up close without the hoards of people like the PGA Championship.

7OUT
11-29-2022, 08:08 PM
Excluding Southern Hills, which others is Cedar "far from the best" from? In tournament conditions, it is certainly longer and more difficult than others I can think of.

BG918
11-29-2022, 09:02 PM
Excluding Southern Hills, which others is Cedar "far from the best" from? In tournament conditions, it is certainly longer and more difficult than others I can think of.

In Tulsa I would definitely put the Oaks and maybe The Patriot over Cedar Ridge.

Richard at Remax
11-29-2022, 09:17 PM
Strange place for a pro tournament.

Not much of a clubhouse and the course is okay but far from the best in the area.

Sounds like all the big boy courses told them no thanks

7OUT
11-29-2022, 09:21 PM
Interesting.... Having grown up playing all three, and playing the Patriot quite a bit lately, I can understand that from a member perspective. The Patriot and Oaks are both awesome places, great family clubs, and new or recently updated. However, neither of those golf courses come within sniffing distance of Cedar Ridge's difficulty (slope and course rating) or ability to handle spectators. Keep in mind that I'm talking difficulty form their tournament tees, not the tees we're used to playing!

Lafferty Daniel
11-30-2022, 08:34 AM
Interesting.... Having grown up playing all three, and playing the Patriot quite a bit lately, I can understand that from a member perspective. The Patriot and Oaks are both awesome places, great family clubs, and new or recently updated. However, neither of those golf courses come within sniffing distance of Cedar Ridge's difficulty (slope and course rating) or ability to handle spectators. Keep in mind that I'm talking difficulty form their tournament tees, not the tees we're used to playing!

I'm with you. Cedar Ridge is only overshadowed by Southern Hills. It's better than every other course (except Southern) in Tulsa.

Pete
11-30-2022, 08:37 AM
My apologies... I though this was going to be at Cedar Valley in Guthrie!

Haha, my bad.

BoulderSooner
11-30-2022, 09:15 AM
Interesting.... Having grown up playing all three, and playing the Patriot quite a bit lately, I can understand that from a member perspective. The Patriot and Oaks are both awesome places, great family clubs, and new or recently updated. However, neither of those golf courses come within sniffing distance of Cedar Ridge's difficulty (slope and course rating) or ability to handle spectators. Keep in mind that I'm talking difficulty form their tournament tees, not the tees we're used to playing!

having played all of those as well i completely agree .. CR is a very very good golf course ..

this will be a great event to have in our state ... and will for sure attend

onthestrip
11-30-2022, 11:42 AM
This kind of proves how illegitimate LIV is if they are having to play at the maybe 4th best Tulsa area golf course. Kind of funny that the LIV golfers are contractually forced to come play in Tulsa at not southern, not the patriot, not Golf Cub of Oklahoma but Cedar Ridge. Guess its not a bad thing for Tulsa though.

BoulderSooner
11-30-2022, 11:56 AM
This kind of proves how illegitimate LIV is if they are having to play at the maybe 4th best Tulsa area golf course. Kind of funny that the LIV golfers are contractually forced to come play in Tulsa at not southern, not the patriot, not Golf Cub of Oklahoma but Cedar Ridge. Guess its not a bad thing for Tulsa though.

lol not the 4th best tulsa area course ...

the patriot is not a course you could even have a tourney on ... (it is not a walkable course) ...

GCofOK and Cedar Ridge are very compareable ..

onthestrip
11-30-2022, 12:28 PM
lol not the 4th best tulsa area course ...

the patriot is not a course you could even have a tourney on ... (it is not a walkable course) ...

GCofOK and Cedar Ridge are very compareable ..

Tied for 3rd, sorry.

7OUT
12-01-2022, 12:15 AM
onthestrip doesn't play much golf. But when he does, its the LaFortune par 3 and he hits 3 greens in regulation. Best ever. Period.

josefromtulsa
12-01-2022, 10:02 AM
I'm with you. Cedar Ridge is only overshadowed by Southern Hills. It's better than every other course (except Southern) in Tulsa.

I worked at CRCC for 5 summers on groundskeeping and this was what everyone said. If you couldn't become a member at Southern then youd come to CR. I think the dang initiation fee is over 10,000 still and membership was always full.
While I have been hearing that course quality has gone down since they replaced the last superintendent (an old dude who had been in the job for 30 years and knew the course better than his wife) with a new younger guy.

onthestrip
12-01-2022, 04:02 PM
onthestrip doesn't play much golf. But when he does, its the LaFortune par 3 and he hits 3 greens in regulation. Best ever. Period.

Great story, never played LaFortune though.

Its sounds as if the debate is still weather Cedar Ridge is 3rd best in Tulsa. Southern is clearly 1, Patriot is 2nd if you ask me. Some on this thread say Oaks is better than CR. BTW, no regular golfer measures course quality by infrastructure, ability to handle crowds, slope or course rating. Ability to handle a professional tournament is different that a best course list.

Pointless argument really, just opinions we are talking about. But point remains how this shows the struggle LIV is having at being relevant. Even with some talented pro golfers, outside of Tulsa who is going to care about a tournament with zero history or significance played at Cedar Ridge?

soonergolfer
12-01-2022, 04:17 PM
Great story, never played LaFortune though.

Its sounds as if the debate is still weather Cedar Ridge is 3rd best in Tulsa. Southern is clearly 1, Patriot is 2nd if you ask me. Some on this thread say Oaks is better than CR. BTW, no regular golfer measures course quality by infrastructure, ability to handle crowds, slope or course rating. Ability to handle a professional tournament is different that a best course list.

Pointless argument really, just opinions we are talking about. But point remains how this shows the struggle LIV is having at being relevant. Even with some talented pro golfers, outside of Tulsa who is going to care about a tournament with zero history or significance played at Cedar Ridge?

Probably people who enjoy watching some of the best golfers in the world.

sooner88
12-01-2022, 04:31 PM
Great story, never played LaFortune though.

Its sounds as if the debate is still weather Cedar Ridge is 3rd best in Tulsa. Southern is clearly 1, Patriot is 2nd if you ask me. Some on this thread say Oaks is better than CR. BTW, no regular golfer measures course quality by infrastructure, ability to handle crowds, slope or course rating. Ability to handle a professional tournament is different that a best course list.

Pointless argument really, just opinions we are talking about. But point remains how this shows the struggle LIV is having at being relevant. Even with some talented pro golfers, outside of Tulsa who is going to care about a tournament with zero history or significance played at Cedar Ridge?

For what it's worth, Golf Digest has Cedar Ridge ranked as the #5 course in the state, only behind Southern Hills, Oak Tree National, Karsten Creek and the Patriot.

7OUT
12-01-2022, 04:32 PM
Great story, never played LaFortune though.

Its sounds as if the debate is still weather Cedar Ridge is 3rd best in Tulsa. Southern is clearly 1, Patriot is 2nd if you ask me. Some on this thread say Oaks is better than CR. BTW, no regular golfer measures course quality by infrastructure, ability to handle crowds, slope or course rating. Ability to handle a professional tournament is different that a best course list.

Pointless argument really, just opinions we are talking about. But point remains how this shows the struggle LIV is having at being relevant. Even with some talented pro golfers, outside of Tulsa who is going to care about a tournament with zero history or significance played at Cedar Ridge?

LOL. You win.

PhiAlpha
12-07-2022, 06:21 AM
Probably people who enjoy watching some of the best golfers in the world.

LOL, yeah I mean I live in Tulsa and all of my friends/contacts are pretty excited about it. It’s not like Tulsa’s getting shafted of a real golf tournament or something either. We’ve had both the senior PGA Championship and PGA Championship over the last two years and will have another 1-2 majors here over the next decade. Everyone’s looking at this as a fun addition.

Not surprised that southern isn’t hosting it after 2 straight years of hosting tournaments but was a little surprised that they chose Cedar over golf club of Oklahoma. Never really thought of the Patriot as the type of course that would host a professional event so that’s not all that surprising.

ditm4567
12-14-2022, 09:19 AM
LIV pours a ton of money into the course. This is a huge get for Tulsa. Outside of Rory, Tiger, JT, and Spieth, a typical LIV leaderboard would have been a golfer's dream pre-split.

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 09:55 AM
this is now official LIV to tulsa May 12-14

https://twitter.com/LIVGolfInv/status/1603027078680543233?s=20&t=3i-72j734i-l6HG0oPIIAw

onthestrip
12-14-2022, 10:40 AM
LIV pours a ton of money into the course. This is a huge get for Tulsa. Outside of Rory, Tiger, JT, and Spieth, a typical LIV leaderboard would have been a golfer's dream pre-split.

What do you mean pours a ton of money into the course? The grounds? Physical improvements? How much can you improve the grounds from now to May?

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 11:08 AM
What do you mean pours a ton of money into the course? The grounds? Physical improvements? How much can you improve the grounds from now to May?

you can do a huge change between now and may .... the masters redid the entire par 3 course from may until a month ago ..

ditm4567
12-14-2022, 11:29 AM
What do you mean pours a ton of money into the course? The grounds? Physical improvements? How much can you improve the grounds from now to May?

Greens, traps, practice facilities, tee boxes, etc. LIV updated the roads in/around the course in Portland.

onthestrip
12-14-2022, 12:54 PM
you can do a huge change between now and may .... the masters redid the entire par 3 course from may until a month ago ..

This is a bad comparison. Augusta works on a different level than anyone else, they can make the impossible happen almost. Plus being in the south without as harsh as a winter as we have, and using fescue makes a huge difference for getting things greened up much quicker than Oklahoma can.


Greens, traps, practice facilities, tee boxes, etc. LIV updated the roads in/around the course in Portland.

I just dont see how theyll be able to do all this throughout the winter and have it championship quality ready by May. Traps, sure, its sand. Greens, Im skeptical, those take time to come back from any major work. And besides, this is all speculation from you that LIV will actually pour in a bunch of money here. We dont know any details of this.

Whatever it is, I say good for Cedar Ridge and Tulsa.

ditm4567
12-14-2022, 12:57 PM
I just dont see how theyll be able to do all this throughout the winter and have it championship quality ready by May. Traps, sure, its sand. Greens, Im skeptical, those take time to come back from any major work. And besides, this is all speculation from you that LIV will actually pour in a bunch of money here. We dont know any details of this.

Whatever it is, I say good for Cedar Ridge and Tulsa.

Not sure if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed or not, but I am just basing this off of what LIV did to other courses here in America--two of which are owned by one of my best friend/groomsman's father. But hey, it is all speculation by me! People on OKCTalk never cease to amaze me.

ManAboutTown
12-14-2022, 01:35 PM
LIV pours a ton of money into the course. This is a huge get for Tulsa. Outside of Rory, Tiger, JT, and Spieth, a typical LIV leaderboard would have been a golfer's dream pre-split.
Count me as a huge golf fan and golfer who will NOT be in attendance in Tulsa, or anywhere else for that matter, where the Saudi Arabian government hosts a tournament. I find it rather ironic that it's called "LIV Golf" when they couldn't find the basic human decency to NOT hack journalist Jamal Khashoggi to death. These guys are anti-democratic goons and thugs and anyone doing business with LIV Golf ought to be ashamed of themselves.

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 01:42 PM
Count me as a huge golf fan and golfer who will NOT be in attendance in Tulsa, or anywhere else for that matter, where the Saudi Arabian government hosts a tournament. I find it rather ironic that 's called "LIV Golf" when they couldn't find the basic human decency to NOT hack journalist Jamal Khashoggi to death. These guys are anti-democratic goons and thugs and anyone doing business with LIV Golf ought to be ashamed of themselves.

use UBER ?? support hundreds of other products involved with the SWF ?? i bet you do ..


LIV = 54 pretty simple ..

saudi a great ally of the united states ..

Timshel
12-14-2022, 01:45 PM
I mean, I think it’s more a practical consideration of trying to grow in Bermuda (what I’m assuming is at CR) in Oklahoma from now until basically the end of April - even with PIF money and a warm winter - is an extremely tall task.. And especially with greens - which would be rock hard at that point - something the pampered boys tour would not be fans of (though PGA Tour players would also feel the same way about that). . Not to mention there was a recent renovation that I’m sure much of the membership wouldn’t be thrilled to see go away, or the fact that there’s nothing in LIV’s history that suggests they really care about the architectural quality of the golf courses they’re playing. Could see them changing mowing lines to narrow some fairways and trying to add some tee boxes to increase the length but outside of that hard to imagine they will, or the membership would want them to since they probably just paid for/are still paying for, a recent renovation. And that’s even if it’s physically possible to have mature Bermuda grown in by the time the tournament rolls around.

While this is undoubtedly a good get for Cedar Ridge, let’s not act like this is the PGA Championship where the membership will be cool with the course being closed and/or completely trampled multiple months before/after the event. Am curious if the membership voted on this or if the board had the power to make the decision without the larger membership’s input.

Jersey Boss
12-14-2022, 01:46 PM
Count me as a huge golf fan and golfer who will NOT be in attendance in Tulsa, or anywhere else for that matter, where the Saudi Arabian government hosts a tournament. I find it rather ironic that 's called "LIV Golf" when they couldn't find the basic human decency to NOT hack journalist Jamal Khashoggi to death. These guys are anti-democratic goons and thugs and anyone doing business with LIV Golf ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Blood money. FSA

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 01:56 PM
I mean, I think it’s more a practical consideration of trying to grow in Bermuda (what I’m assuming is at CR) in Oklahoma from now until basically the end of April - even with PIF money and a warm winter - is an extremely tall task.. And especially with greens - which would be rock hard at that point - something the pampered boys tour would not be fans of (though PGA Tour players would also feel the same way about that). . Not to mention there was a recent renovation that I’m sure much of the membership wouldn’t be thrilled to see go away, or the fact that there’s nothing in LIV’s history that suggests they really care about the architectural quality of the golf courses they’re playing. Could see them changing mowing lines to narrow some fairways and trying to add some tee boxes to increase the length but outside of that hard to imagine they will, or the membership would want them to since they probably just paid for/are still paying for, a recent renovation. And that’s even if it’s physically possible to have mature Bermuda grown in by the time the tournament rolls around.

While this is undoubtedly a good get for Cedar Ridge, let’s not act like this is the PGA Championship where the membership will be cool with the course being closed and/or completely trampled multiple months before/after the event. Am curious if the membership voted on this or if the board had the power to make the decision without the larger membership’s input.

one of the best things about LIV is the quality of golf courses that they play on ...

ManAboutTown
12-14-2022, 01:59 PM
use UBER ?? support hundreds of other products involved with the SWF ?? i bet you do ..

LIV = 54 pretty simple ..

saudi a great ally of the united states ..

No, I don't Uber and haven't in years. I know that LIV is 54 in Roman numerals, which is why I used the word "ironic" in my post. See, LIV is pronounced "live" and Kashoggi is...uhhh, nevermind.

And oh, by the way, were the 15 Saudi Arabian hijackers on 9/11 "great all(ies) of the (U)nited (S)tates?"

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 02:09 PM
No, I don't Uber and haven't in years. I know that LIV is 54 in Roman numerals, which is why I used the word "ironic" in my post. See, LIV is pronounced "live" and Kashoggi is...uhhh, nevermind.

And oh, by the way, were the 15 Saudi Arabian hijackers on 9/11 "great all(ies) of the (U)nited (S)tates?"

uber Beoing facebook citigoup softbank BP EA Activision Nintendo Embracer group twitter among others ..

also yeah there are some very bad people in saudi .. (just like there are bad people in the United States)

with out the Saudi Royal Family and the Saudi Military they would be the largest sponsor of terror on earth ..

onthestrip
12-14-2022, 02:13 PM
Not sure if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed or not, but I am just basing this off of what LIV did to other courses here in America--two of which are owned by one of my best friend/groomsman's father. But hey, it is all speculation by me! People on OKCTalk never cease to amaze me.

I didnt say they didnt do things at other courses. But you also didnt show anything concrete of what they'll do to Cedar Ridge. I just pointed out how unlikely theyll be able to do much to the course in such short time with most of it being winter. Im genuinely curious if course improvements are part of the agreement.


one of the best things about LIV is the quality of golf courses that they play on ...

With the money behind it you would fully expect it to play on good courses. This should be a given, not one of the best things about LIV. But Im sorry, them picking Cedar Ridge is a knock against your statement.

MooreOrLess
12-14-2022, 03:21 PM
uber Beoing facebook citigoup softbank BP EA Activision Nintendo Embracer group twitter among others ..

also yeah there are some very bad people in saudi .. (just like there are bad people in the United States)

with out the Saudi Royal Family and the Saudi Military they would be the largest sponsor of terror on earth ..

This is some really interesting apologia. Just because their Sovereign Wealth Fund invests in a lot of companies doesn't mean it's a moot point to try to ignore LIV. LIV is a blatant attempt in sportswashing for a country that has done some pretty awful things as of late. Opting to not support it is anyone's right.

BoulderSooner
12-14-2022, 03:41 PM
This is some really interesting apologia. Just because their Sovereign Wealth Fund invests in a lot of companies doesn't mean it's a moot point to try to ignore LIV. LIV is a blatant attempt in sportswashing for a country that has done some pretty awful things as of late. Opting to not support it is anyone's right.

people can choose to support whatever they want ...

April in the Plaza
12-14-2022, 05:35 PM
This is a bad comparison. Augusta works on a different level than anyone else, they can make the impossible happen almost. Plus being in the south without as harsh as a winter as we have, and using fescue makes a huge difference for getting things greened up much quicker than Oklahoma can.



I just dont see how theyll be able to do all this throughout the winter and have it championship quality ready by May. Traps, sure, its sand. Greens, Im skeptical, those take time to come back from any major work. And besides, this is all speculation from you that LIV will actually pour in a bunch of money here. We dont know any details of this.

Whatever it is, I say good for Cedar Ridge and Tulsa.

I could have sworn that ANGC overseeds its Bermuda with elite cultivars of Perennial Ryegrass. Shouldn’t be even a single blade of fescue on the grounds.