https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

ESPN is reporting that USC and UCLA are moving to the Big10. Sources say it's "immanent". If so and there was any truth to the idea that Riley bailed for an easier path to the championship that plan just backfired.

Big 10 football is far inferior to the SEC.

But better than the old Big 12.

Big 10 football is far inferior to the SEC.

But better than the old Big 12.
Definitely not on par with the SEC. But a very mediocre USC could contend for championships in the PAC. Probably not so much in the Big 10. Ohio St, Michigan and Iowa are usually pretty solid. And others pop up and have strong seasons now and then.

wow... that's a crazy development. both institutions are aau members, so that part fits.

I just thought about it but ESPN radio this morning was saying there are rumors that Oregon is talking to the Big 10. Could we really be heading towards 2 or 3 "super" conferences?

just thinking out loud... i wonder if this could eventually open up the possibility of colorado and utah joining the big xii. colorado would be rejoining and utah would be with their rival byu.

just thinking out loud... i wonder if this could eventually open up the possibility of colorado and utah joining the big xii. colorado would be rejoining and utah would be with their rival byu.

I think the Big XII and Pac-12 will merge

I just thought about it but ESPN radio this morning was saying there are rumors that Oregon is talking to the Big 10. Could we really be heading towards 2 or 3 "super" conferences?

Yes. I expect the big football schools to form their own organization soon, possibly completely outside the NCAA which keeps proving they have no idea what they are doing or how to adapt to changing times.


And as much as all the outsiders threw stones at OU & Texas for switching conferences, both schools had the foresight to find a great landing spot.

Now, a huge game of musical chairs has been set in motion and a lot of schools are going to be left without a seat.

I could see Arizona and Arizona St jumping ship to the Big 12

That seems like the travel schedule from hell for UCLA and USC. The closest team is over a 3 hour flight, with an average in the ballpark around 4, and a max of 6.

looks like we will end up with a power 2,

if oregon and washington stay in the Pac 12 ... they will raid the big 12 ...


if they both leave as well .. then everything is on the table ..

I could see Arizona and Arizona St jumping ship to the Big 12

There are radio reports now that the Big12 is discussing "aggressively" pursuing some of the schools that would be left in the remains of the PAC.

Big 10 football is far inferior to the SEC.

But better than the old Big 12.

in TV money the Sec and BIG will be 50-70 mil dollars per school per year ahead of every one else ... and the BIG will likely be #1

That seems like the travel schedule from hell for UCLA and USC. The closest team is over a 3 hour flight, with an average in the ballpark around 4, and a max of 6.
But thats only really for like 4 games for football. Play all your non-con on the west coast, and 8 conf games- 4 at home 4 on the road.

But for basketball and other sports its going to be a nightmare.

I could see the BigXII and Pac-12 merging and forming a new super conference named The Western Conference, or something like that. All schools with the exception of West Virginia, UCF, and Cinci would be situated midwest and points west.

I could see the BigXII and Pac-12 merging and forming a new super conference named The Western Conference, or something like that. All schools with the exception of West Virginia, UCF, and Cinci would be situated midwest and points west.
It would surprise me if WVU will stay once the GoR expires.
It makes more economic sense to join the ACC and to compete against their closest rival, Pitt. The travel expenses would also be favorable.

Just remember that WV's climb to fame was beating Oklahoma in Norman 41-27 back in 1982. Since then, the Mountaineers have felt they could be as relevant in football as the Sooners.

NCAA Division I aspiring schools like WV and Boise State felt like their wins over OU was their springboard to bigger and better things.

Now this USC-UCLA planned jump to the BIG 10 is two California schools way of making their present known powered and partnered by the BIG 10 to challenge the SEC's acceptance of Texas & Oklahoma.

Biggest problem will be those East & West coast time zones--this free movement of schools from one conference to another is going to be problematic for Notre Dame. The 'Fighting Irish' will be forced to choose a football conference and get ready to take its knocks.

The NIL and the 'Super Conference' saga continues to get VERY INTERESTING.

I could see the BigXII and Pac-12 merging and forming a new super conference named The Western Conference, or something like that. All schools with the exception of West Virginia, UCF, and Cinci would be situated midwest and points west.

Ohio isn't the midwest?

It would surprise me if WVU will stay once the GoR expires.
It makes more economic sense to join the ACC and to compete against their closest rival, Pitt. The travel expenses would also be favorable.Most national sports talk suggests 3 super conferences at the end of all this. The ACC isn't on that list.

NCAA Division I aspiring schools like WV and Boise State felt like their wins over OU was their springboard to bigger and better things.


Biggest problem will be those East & West coast time zones--this free movement of schools from one conference to another is going to be problematic for Notre Dame. The 'Fighting Irish' will be forced to choose a football conference and get ready to take its knocks.
he NIL and the 'Super Conference' saga continues to get VERY INTERESTING.

Notre Dame is already a memberof the ACC except for football. Should they go into a conference it will be the ACC. WVU has a much deeper D! history than BSU and the fact that the travel schedule in the ACC would be vastly superior to a stretching into the Pacific time zone. The Big 12 would have nothing to offer WVU in either competition or better marques to play in if comparing to the ACC.

Most national sports talk suggests 3 super conferences at the end of all this. The ACC isn't on that list.

I have also heard national pundits say 2 conferences, The Big 10 and SEC.

I have also heard national pundits say 2 conferences, The Big 10 and SEC.
I've heard that too but now nearly as much. Either way there's still no ACC.

One of these conferences will be left out in the cold.

Now Oregon is the latest school who may defect to the Big 10..

There's only room for 3 super mega conferences. An ACC & Pac-12 scramble is on. Which among these might be more appealing.

One of these conferences will be left out in the cold.

Now Oregon is the latest school who may defect to the Big 10..

There's only room for 3 super mega conferences. An ACC & Pac-12 scramble is on. Which among these might be more appealing.
As far as appealing I don't know. As far as logical it makes the best sense for the remains of the Big 12 and PAC 12 to merge and for the ACC to divide between the Big 10, SEC and maybe the PAC-Big 12 merger whatever they call it.

But logic and college sports don't always go hand in hand.

IMO if Notre Dame football joins the ACC in football the ACC lives on. If not, it won't. The ACC also holds a trump card over a depleted PAC 12 and Big 12 with basketball.

One of these conferences will be left out in the cold.

Now Oregon is the latest school who may defect to the Big 10..

There's only room for 3 super mega conferences. An ACC & Pac-12 scramble is on. Which among these might be more appealing.

Not so much appealing to the fans but what appeals to the the stakeholders at ESPN/ABC and FOX Sports. Those folks are what determines everything from what time games start to who is in prime time.

IMO if Notre Dame football joins the ACC in football the ACC lives on. If not, it won't. The ACC also holds a trump card over a depleted PAC 12 and Big 12 with basketball.
Basketball doesn't matter jack in this case. Football makes exponentially more money than basketball and this is all about chasing the $

IMO if Notre Dame football joins the ACC in football the ACC lives on. If not, it won't. The ACC also holds a trump card over a depleted PAC 12 and Big 12 with basketball.

ACC basketball is in no way above the Big-12. And Oklahoma and Texas leaving does very little to change that.

Basketball doesn't matter jack in this case. Football makes exponentially more money than basketball and this is all about chasing the $

Not if the super conferences take over the tournament. That's the next bucket of money for them to go after.

IMO if Notre Dame football joins the ACC in football the ACC lives on. If not, it won't. The ACC also holds a trump card over a depleted PAC 12 and Big 12 with basketball.

No one can leave the Acc until 2036

No one can leave the Acc until 2036

Wow, BoulderSooner, you're on to the trend...

Many events are tied to 2035 and beyond. Take for instance the contracts that WCWS softball has with Oklahoma City (2035) and CWS baseball with Omaha (2035).

All the major league cities, parks & stadiums are wanting in on the collegiate action like Globe Life Field Arlington NCAA baseball, NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP GAME FOOTBALL rotation: State Farm Stadium, Glendale, AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Hard Rock Stadium, Miami and Caesars Superdome, New Orleans, Mercedes-Benz, Atlanta all NFL venues except the Rose Bowl, Pasadena; basketball and even NCAA ice hockey dates are filled out. These stadiums & venues change names & sponsorships faster than cities can build them.

As soon as they figure out a way to wrestle away the mighty vice grips of the WCWS softball from OKC, it too along with baseball won't survive past 2035.

OKC, get ready to expand HOF (20,000) and build a retractable roof over this venue, it will be the only thing that can save this event beyond 2035.

No one can leave the Acc until 2036

If the college football world decides to go with 3 super conferences and the ACC isn't one of them I bet that changes almost immediately.

If the college football world decides to go with 3 super conferences and the ACC isn't one of them I bet that changes almost immediately.

Considering that half the league would be left out. It wouldn’t change.

There is a reason OU and Texas are still not in the sec until 2025

Considering that half the league would be left out. It wouldn’t change.

There is a reason OU and Texas are still not in the sec until 2025But the top half would be left out of any chance of the playoffs. If the ACC stayed together they'd drop to something like the Group of Five conferences are now. And the 2025 deal for OU and UT was before the possibility of the Power Five conferences completely realigning. That will rewrite the conference contact rule book.

But the top half would be left out of any chance of the playoffs. If the ACC stayed together they'd drop to something like the Group of Five conferences are now. And the 2025 deal for OU and UT was before the possibility of the Power Five conferences completely realigning. That will rewrite the conference contact rule book.
So what are you speculating for a 3 super conference make up that excludes ACC members? As far as the present 4 team playoff that deal expires in 2025. No use to speculate any team being left out. Post 2025 I'm going to go on a limb and say there will be more than 4 in any playoff.

So what are you speculating for a 3 super conference make up that excludes ACC members? As far as the present 4 team playoff that deal expires in 2025. No use to speculate any team being left out. Post 2025 I'm going to go on a limb and say there will be more than 4 in any playoff.
I agree there will be 8 or 16 teams in the playoffs. But if the ACC refuses to fold and let their teams join the Super 3 club they will be looked at as a second class conference by the selection committee. Like the Group of Five are now. The playoff committee will almost certainly not give wins over ACC teams the same weight as a Super 3 conference victory. So being in the ACC, if they continue to exist, will put those teams in a sort of limbo. I will be amazed if this doesn't end up a whole different world.

I agree there will be 8 or 16 teams in the playoffs. But if the ACC refuses to fold and let their teams join the Super 3 club they will be looked at as a second class conference by the selection committee. Like the Group of Five are now. The playoff committee will almost certainly not give wins over ACC teams the same weight as a Super 3 conference victory. So being in the ACC, if they continue to exist, will put those teams in a sort of limbo. I will be amazed if this doesn't end up a whole different world.

I believe if there are 3, the ACC will one of them. Easier to add teams to that conference than to pry teams out.
Last year the tv deals paid the ACC 240m, the Big12 200M. TV folks give more worth to the ACC.

No matter what happens I'm an OU fan. My school will be in a good place. What happsns to the B12 or PAC 10 is of little concern to me. I have no more feelings toward OSU than I do for Tulsa. I wish them both well.

No matter what happens I'm an OU fan. My school will be in a good place. What happsns to the B12 or PAC 10 is of little concern to me. I have no more feelings toward OSU than I do for Tulsa. I wish them both well.I'm also a huge OU fan. I don't give much of a rat's about OSU. However if the remains of the Big 12 and PAC merge OSU should be one of the dominant teams in the new conference. Good for my OSU fan friends. Tulsa will probably get screwed. As will all of the Group of Five schools because there won't be as much reason for a Super 3 team to play the lower conference teams.

I think along with the number of conferences, we should also consider the number of teams in the overall "Super League". 64 teams could give us 4 conferences of 16 each, which is roughly what the Power 5 consisted of.

I think along with the number of conferences, we should also consider the number of teams in the overall "Super League". 64 teams could give us 4 conferences of 16 each, which is roughly what the Power 5 consisted of.
There's already 16 team leagues. Every prediction of scenarios see 20 or more team conferences. And no more than 3. It could be that the accepted, knowledgeable national insiders predicting this don't know what they're talking about but if they do things in a very few years aren't going to look anything like they do now. And it's all about the money and the money makes sense for 3 Super Conference scenario.

It is a big 2. Big 10 and sec and then everyone else and they won’t change

I believe if there are 3, the ACC will one of them. Easier to add teams to that conference than to pry teams out.
Last year the tv deals paid the ACC 240m, the Big12 200M. TV folks give more worth to the ACC.

The ACC has somehow found themselves in a really bad spot. They are locked into a bad and getting worse tv contract until 2036. The schools are all locked in a GOR contract until 2036 as well. The ACC can’t expand because that would involve a new GOR giving an opening for the top teams to leave for the SEC or B1G. Currently the teams in the ACC can’t really leave and the conference itself can’t expand. Really bad situation for them.

I think there will be 3 conferences when everything shakes out. B1G and SEC at the top paying out the big bucks and the Big 12 scooping up some teams from the PAC and ACC that the top 2 conferences don’t want and being a serviceable yet distant third conference. It is kind of wild that the big 12 is most likely to survive all of this after constantly being on the brink of collapse for the past decade.

I heard a new twist on FoxSports radio on the way home from a guy that's a respected SEC reporter. He believes that the SEC and BIG aren't finished expanding and might just swallow up all the decent football schools. Then leave the current playoff system and form their own. If this happens and the ACC makes schools stick to the current GOR the ACC schools are really screwed. I hate to believe that a conference would do that to their member schools. And the current GOR will be a joke if there ends up being 2 or 3 super conferences and the ACC isn't one of them because the ACC TV revenue, which this is all about, will be diddly squat.

I believe if there are 3, the ACC will one of them. Easier to add teams to that conference than to pry teams out.
Last year the tv deals paid the ACC 240m, the Big12 200M. TV folks give more worth to the ACC.

The ACC has somehow found themselves in a really bad spot. They are locked into a bad and getting worse tv contract until 2036. The schools are all locked in a GOR contract until 2036 as well. The ACC can’t expand because that would involve a new GOR giving an opening for the top teams to leave for the SEC or B1G. Currently the teams in the ACC can’t really leave and the conference itself can’t expand. Really bad situation for them.

I think there will be 3 conferences when everything shakes out. B1G and SEC at the top paying out the big bucks and the Big 12 scooping up some teams from the PAC and ACC that the top 2 conferences don’t want and being a serviceable yet distant third conference. It is kind of wild that the big 12 is most likely to survive all of this after constantly being on the brink of collapse for the past decade.