After watching the first couple of episodes, the biggest problem I have with it is the film editing. They are constantly changing shot angles every few seconds which is very distracting and makes it much harder to follow what is happening.

After watching the first couple of episodes, the biggest problem I have with it is the film editing. They are constantly changing shot angles every few seconds which is very distracting and makes it much harder to follow what is happening.

In another thread we talked about attention spans of the modern content consumer recently. I think you will continue to see this trend develop. On my YT channel I have to make cuts every 4-5 seconds because if not people will exit. On my videos with longer cuts (over 10 seconds) viewership plummets. Content has to now be formatted to be digested in very small increments. It’s hard to do on longer films but quick cutting is a way to keep a viewer’s mind fresh and feel like it isn’t dragging on.

Catch22, What is your Youtube Channel? I wonder if this attention span dilemma is more focused towards some content areas or is very broad.

Catch22, What is your Youtube Channel? I wonder if this attention span dilemma is more focused towards some content areas or is very broad.
I won’t link to it. But my channel isn’t huge at about 800 subscribers. I get about 3,000 views and 800 watch hours per month, so I do have a little bit of data I am commenting with. longer videos with longer cuts I get about a 20% retention, shorter videos with quick cuts I get about 35-45%. Same overall content and format, just different length of cuts. I think this experience is similar with many other channels as I notice quick cuts taking over among many different content types. I personally am not a fan of it but it is the only way to compete with Shorts and TikTok. People will lose interest after a while if there’s not a cut.

I've seen both episodes now. It's entertaining and fun to spot landmarks.

Tried to find it last night but none of my kids have paramount plus. For the reviews, not sure I want to sign up for $10 month to watch it. Is there any other way to access it?

Episode 1 is free on Apple TV as well. That’s where I watched it.

I wonder if episode 2 only airs on Paramount Network at the given time slot tonight or if it will be available to stream after that? Episode 1 doesn’t show up on a search there, just ep 2. I’m using Philo for a week free and Paramount Network is on there. Trying to figure it out. Some things on there do stream. I’ll probably subscribe at the end of the trial since it has a few shows on different channels I usually rent on Amazon.

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I believe it airs at 8 PM every Sunday on the Paramount Network.

Tonight it's at 8:14 for some reason.

Yellowstone which comes on right before never ends right at 8:00, it always goes long by about 10 minutes for some reason.

I liked the third episode best so far.

There are some very obvious shots with the OKC skyline in the background. A scene outside the old Oklahoman building near the Y substituting for the Mayo. I don't recall seeing that location in the last episode, but I do think we'll see it again at least once.

Looks like next week we'll get a pretty big scene that was filmed at the fairgrounds.

In episode 3 (new today on Paramount+) Dana Delaney enters.

Took a bunch of OKC screen grabs I'll post later.

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Harvey Ave. just south of Dean A. McGee - OG&E building on the left


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In front of Oklahoma Commons (formerly Sandridge/Kerr McGee) - on Robert S. Kerr just east of Robinson


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Leadership Square in the background


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Old service station just west of the Farmers Market


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Old service station just west of the Farmers Market



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Old service station just west of the Farmers Market


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Old service station just west of the Farmers Market - Palo Santo in the background


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NE 4th just east of Broadway


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NE 4th just east of Broadway - YMCA Building


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NE 4th just east of Broadway - looking south


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NE 4th just east of Broadway - YMCA Building


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OKCPS Admin Building - NW corner of NW 5th & Classen


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Back to Harvey just south of Robert S Kerr


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Classen just south of NW 5th


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NW 5th just west of Dewey


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Looking south on Dewey from NW 6th


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Looking east on NW 6th at Dewey


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Looking north on NW 5th just west of Dewey


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Looking east on NW 6th west of Dewey


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Looking south on Francis at NW 6th


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NW 5th just west of Dewey (The Bower in the background)


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NW 6th just west of Dewey


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Looking southwest from NW 6th and Dewey


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Chelio's Diner, I-35 just south of SE 15th

That took some work.

Episode 1 is free on Apple TV as well. That’s where I watched it.

I wonder if episode 2 only airs on Paramount Network at the given time slot tonight or if it will be available to stream after that? Episode 1 doesn’t show up on a search there, just ep 2. I’m using Philo for a week free and Paramount Network is on there. Trying to figure it out. Some things on there do stream. I’ll probably subscribe at the end of the trial since it has a few shows on different channels I usually rent on Amazon.
I have watched all 3 episodes on youtube,com without a subscription.

I have watched all 3 episodes on youtube,com without a subscription.

Just to be clear, those are pirated and look/sound like they were done on a camcorder.

Here is a cool Youtube video about the making of episode 3, including the car chase and stunts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsANZORMIoM

Was this show cut-rate? I mean they could have shot all of ep. 3's downtown driving around footage in Tulsa for not much more--and trying to pass of the Mayo's entrance as that of the YMCA? I don't think you'd have to be a resident of OKC or Tulsa to be able to tell that's no entrance to a luxury hotel.

Ep. 3's production values seem pretty phoned in.

Any idea what restaurant was used for the dinner between Dwight and Stacy in Ep. 3?
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Any idea what restaurant was used for the dinner between Dwight and Stacy in Ep. 3?
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I think it's the Belle Isle Brewery.

While I don't think the show's writing is awesome, I also don't think the show feels particularly cheap. Either way, I don't see how filming driving scenes in Tulsa would impact that. It is super common for shows and movies to film in places they're not set in. I don't know the financial difference between shooting here or in Tulsa specifically, but once they decided OKC would be home base I imagine they kept as much of it here just for convenience if anything else. Close to the studio, limit how many organizations you have to coordinate with, don't have to transport the vehicle or source an identical one, etc. etc.

And I don't see how their faux hotel entrance looked worse than like Skirvin's or Colcord's (not to say I think those look bad at all).

I don't mean to tear down your opinion. I do think, though, that familiarity with some of this stuff makes us a little more critical when we notice, like, the OKC skyline in what's supposed to be Tulsa. It pulls us out of the world of the show. I've seen comments regarding other shows/movies taking place in cities more often depicted on film making the same kind of comments when clearly X show is not from the city or they question how someone got from point A to point B in 5 minutes when it should take 20 even without traffic or they see what they're told is NYC but obviously they know its Toronto because they live there. Meanwhile the rest of the world doesn't know or care. Now its our turn.

(doesn't help that the writing isn't elevating it past this effect also)

I think it's the Belle Isle Brewery.

I believe you are correct.

I didn't recognize it at first but it's the same curved archways and booth fabric.

It's TV, not a big-budget studio movie.

I think the production values are quite high for a TV show.

We should see the plotline and writing start to ramp up now that we are 3 episodes in and we have the foundation established.

Dana Delaney made an appearance in Ep 3 and I know she's going to be a big part of future episodes.

I think Stalone is doing a good job and really the rest of the acting has been pretty solid. Jay Will (plays Tyson) has been particularly good IMO.


I'm starting to get drawn in a bit and looking forward to see where this is going.

I’m pretty sure one of the investigators in Netflix’s “Girl in the Picture” was interviewed at Chelio’s.

Nm

Just to be clear, those are pirated and look/sound like they were done on a camcorder.

You're probably right but I found the quality and sound of the episodes I've watched to be excellent.

I will say at 76, Stallone still looks darn good (hair transplant aside) and is doing a good job on the show.

Not many actors still working at that age and he looks very fit.

This was renewed for a 2nd season. Good to see.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/tulsa-king-renewed-season-2-paramount-plus-1235445674/

Edit: It's apparently done very well ratings-wise.

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Great news!

Yes. It's in fact probably underrated what great news that is. It's good to see mainstream projects here rather than a bunch of religious themed content.

Yes. It's in fact probably underrated what great news that is. It's good to see mainstream projects here rather than a bunch of religious themed content.

someone reported earlier that they have a plan for 6 seasons .. that would be great for the city and for our film industry

someone reported earlier that they have a plan for 6 seasons .. that would be great for the city and for our film industry

That seems pretty iffy for a lead actor of that certain age. But Paramount keeps renewing Pickard, so..

That seems pretty iffy for a lead actor of that certain age. But Paramount keeps renewing Pickard, so..

Maybe they will introduce a protege in the show to take over if he gets "clipped."

Maybe they will introduce a protege in the show to take over if he gets "clipped."

We already have the Tyson character specifically asking to grow in the business. Obviously no idea how the rest of season 1 plays out or what the plan is for season 2 and beyond, but as it is right now it seems like they have a character who could potentially fill that role.

Bit of a morbid topic though. Hopefully if they have a plan for 6 seasons they get to play out that narrative naturally.

Big scene at the state fair was in today's episode. I was there, but couldn't pick myself out from the screen. Did see my car parked and blurry in the background during one of the scenes outside the stand in Mayo entrance.

They stopped airing it on Paramount Network a week later after they did that with the first two episodes. <sigh>

Nothing for me to see tonight.

They stopped airing it on Paramount Network a week later after they did that with the first two episodes. <sigh>

Nothing for me to see tonight.

I read they only aired the first two episodes on the Paramount Channel but from here on in they'll only be on Paramount +.

I think the show may be getting better as it starts hitting its stride. I think Episode 4 was the best, yet. I also looked up the house on Zillow in The Village where Armand lives and found it interesting they used both the exterior and interior of that house. I guess I'm used to shows shooting exteriors and then doing the interiors on a soundstage or something.

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I agree, I found the 4th episode the best thus far. The plotline with Tyson and his dad is pretty interesting. I would also say the acting is pretty good across the board. Starting to get much more violent.

Regarding filming in the Village, a location scout reached out to my neighbor two doors down because they thought the house was unoccupied and they wanted to film there. It didn't work out but it was clear they wanted to work both inside and out.

The scene where the woman met her internet date at a bar was filmed downstairs at Nic's in Midtown. Obviously, the fairgrounds were featured prominently. I'll do some screen grabs and post them later.

I'm seeing on social media that this was renewed for season two last week.

One aspect I appreciate as the series moves on is it seems to be moving away from the "old guy just out of prison doesn't know how the world works" jokes. The bigger focus on the impact being in prison had on him personally rather than culturally is much more compelling. The scene with his brother (even though I don't think we knew he had a brother until now) was very impactful, as an example.

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That was Annabella Sciorra playing Dwight's sister.

I've always loved her and she had a great turn as Tony's crazy girlfriend on The Sopranos.

That seems pretty iffy for a lead actor of that certain age. But Paramount keeps renewing Pickard, so..

They filmed Season 2 and 3 of Picard together because they were worried about this. Season 3 is probably the last for 'Picard', but other cast members may be interested in continuing. Maybe there will be a spinoff called 'Riker' , 'Sisko' or 'Janeway'

Paramount + and Taylor Sheridan have been a lifeline for a bunch of aging actors: Sly, Kevin Costner, Dana Delaney and now Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren.

It's smart to leverage those huge names that really don't have much left in terms of movie careers.

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That was Annabella Sciorra playing Dwight's sister.

I've always loved her and she had a great turn as Tony's crazy girlfriend on The Sopranos.

I didn't recognize her!

I didn't recognize her!

She's gained weight.

I hope she plays a bigger part going forward.

She's gained weight.

I hope she plays a bigger part going forward.

Unintentional, I'm sure, but ouch, lol....

She's gained weight.

I hope she plays a bigger part going forward.

I would assume they don't cast her unless she'll play a bigger part. The only name that came to me when I saw here was Talia Shire, but I honestly didn't get a good enough look at her to recognize her in either case. I think I'm so used to seeing Talia Shire with Sly, my brain went there.

Screen grabs from Episode 4.

First is from downstairs at Nic's in Midtown. Next two are at the fairgrounds.

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This scene was at the gym in the 21c:

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Didn't care for the racist and corrupt cop scenes in Episode 5. Plays into the redneck stereotype of Oklahoma. As does a good chunk of the show, unfortunately.

Beyond that, I think Ep 5 was a step back in terms of storyline. Also things are getting pretty violent.


Some screen grabs... First is an actual place in Luther. 2nd is NW 16th & Youngs; 3rd is the empty parcel at NW 4th & EK Gaylord.

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I thought the same at first, but then it also fits the narrative of their story. If it had been any other state, I wouldn't have blinked.

I did find it interesting they had OHP uniforms instead of police, especially doing a traffic stop, but I don't claim to know anything about jurisdictions, ticketing practices, etc.

There are enough stories of police corruption and racism in other shows and movies (and reality!) that I don't think it's inclusion here says anything or was meant to say anything about Oklahoma specifically.


I did find it interesting they had OHP uniforms instead of police, especially doing a traffic stop, but I don't claim to know anything about jurisdictions, ticketing practices, etc.

I also don't know anything about that, but regarding the show I thought the implication was the officers were under the payroll of the biker gang. So any discrepancy with jurisdiction, etc may have been intentional.

There are enough stories of police corruption and racism in other shows and movies (and reality!) that I don't think it's inclusion here says anything or was meant to say anything about Oklahoma specifically.



I also don't know anything about that, but regarding the show I thought the implication was the officers were under the payroll of the biker gang. So any discrepancy with jurisdiction, etc may have been intentional.

Very good point.

The whole storyline towards the end with his daughter, including that final scene, is nearly a complete copy of a season six storyline from The Sopranos. Terence Winter as a showrunner without David Chase certainly leaves a lot to be desired, in my humble opinion.

I haven't seen this announced, but heard that they will be filming Season 2 in Kansas City. I know that this was the working title of the series and their originally planned location, but haven't seen this verified anywhere.

I haven't seen this announced, but heard that they will be filming Season 2 in Kansas City. I know that this was the working title of the series and their originally planned location, but haven't seen this verified anywhere.

Saw on social media (not reliable, I know) that the showrunners didn't like filming here. Hope that's not true because it'd be a big bummer to land this only to lose it once it takes off. Hope I'm wrong, I usually am!

Saw on social media (not reliable, I know) that the showrunners didn't like filming here. Hope that's not true because it'd be a big bummer to land this only to lose it once it takes off. Hope I'm wrong, I usually am!

Well we know how much Stallone enjoyed our weather.... https://thenationaldesk.com/news/from-the-desk/sylvester-stallone-says-scorching-oklahoma-heat-has-prepared-him-for-a-lifetime-in-hell-actor-hollywood-paris-of-the-southwest-tulsa-king-series-sooner-state-comedian-andrew-dice-clay-rocky-rambo-paramount-plus-streaming-mobster-dwight-manfredi-instagram

The whole storyline towards the end with his daughter, including that final scene, is nearly a complete copy of a season six storyline from The Sopranos. Terence Winter as a showrunner without David Chase certainly leaves a lot to be desired, in my humble opinion.

Tulsa King isn't even in the same universe let alone ballpark of the Sopranos.

Many regard the Sopranos as the best series of all time so nobody expected that level of quality, but the gap is bigger than I had hoped.

Saw on social media (not reliable, I know) that the showrunners didn't like filming here. Hope that's not true because it'd be a big bummer to land this only to lose it once it takes off. Hope I'm wrong, I usually am!

While that's certainly possible - for whatever it's worth, in an interview with the Tulsa World last month, showrunner Terence Winter said, "Oklahoma was challenging and wonderful at the same time." (https://tulsaworld.com/entertainment/television/filming-in-oklahoma-challenging-and-wonderful-tulsa-king-showrunner-terence-winter-says/article_ffbc6f10-650b-11ed-813e-1b29814e7353.html) Of course, maybe they were just being nice, but still.

While that's certainly possible - for whatever it's worth, in an interview with the Tulsa World last month, showrunner Terence Winter said, "Oklahoma was challenging and wonderful at the same time." (https://tulsaworld.com/entertainment/television/filming-in-oklahoma-challenging-and-wonderful-tulsa-king-showrunner-terence-winter-says/article_ffbc6f10-650b-11ed-813e-1b29814e7353.html) Of course, maybe they were just being nice, but still.

It was originally supposed to be set in and filmed in KC, but Kansas couldn't get anywhere close to the incentives Oklahoma offered for filming.