Welcome back to Daylight Savings Time. It's good to see you again.

Amen!

I prefer standard time, but I would certainly compromise on settling for DST if we could just stop the changes altogether.

I prefer standard time, but I would certainly compromise on settling for DST if we could just stop the changes altogether.
Same.

Not me. I want everything to stay exactly as it is right now.

Yup. Later evenings year round. I am more productive in the evening. I look at it as I have to wake up early for work no matter what, the sunrise time doesn’t change that. But when the sun sets early I have less motivation to take care of things around the house or take the dogs for evening walks etc because I have less available daylight time after work to take care of those things.

In the winter time I get home from work after sunset, at 430pm. So the only opportunity to do anything around the house is on my days off. If we stayed on summer time year round I would at least have an hour before sunset in the winter time to take care of anything outside.

How people prefer early sunsets I can never understand.

Yup. Later evenings year round. I am more productive in the evening. I look at it as I have to wake up early for work no matter what, the sunrise time doesn’t change that. But when the sun sets early I have less motivation to take care of things around the house or take the dogs for evening walks etc because I have less available daylight time after work to take care of those things.

In the winter time I get home from work after sunset, at 430pm. So the only opportunity to do anything around the house is on my days off. If we stayed on summer time year round I would at least have an hour before sunset in the winter time to take care of anything outside.

How people prefer early sunsets I can never understand.

kids in the pitch black dark for school bus pick up is not a great idea ...

kids in the pitch black dark for school bus pick up is not a great idea ...

but this already happens. Sunrise in OKC mid December is around 7:30- 7:35... it's already pitch black when most kids are waiting for the school bus. yes, it's not for but a few weeks... but it already happens.

but this already happens. Sunrise in OKC mid December is around 7:30- 7:35... it's already pitch black when most kids are waiting for the school bus. yes, it's not for but a few weeks... but it already happens.

all edmond elementry schools have bus pick up after that time ..

kids in the pitch black dark for school bus pick up is not a great idea ...

Adjust the school hours by one hour.

Adjust the school hours by one hour.

8:40 sunrise would not be great

Staying on standard time year round would result in a 5:15am sunrise, with civil twilight beginning around 4:45am in the summer. That would also be not great.

Where I live it would be a 4:31am sunrise, with civil twilight starting at 4am. Also not great.

Staying on standard time year round would result in a 5:15am sunrise, with civil twilight beginning around 4:45am in the summer. That would also be not great.

Where I live it would be a 4:31am sunrise, with civil twilight starting at 4am. Also not great.

which is why what we do now is the best option ..

which is why what we do now is the best option ..

I agree. If we had to get rid of one, I would prefer to eliminate standard time as in my opinion a late sunrise in the winter is more manageable than a ridiculously early sunrise in the summer.

all edmond elementry schools have bus pick up after that time ..

not all children live in edmond

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Staying the same all year round would just cause too many complications unless the whole country does it. For me, just leave it as it is with a change twice a year. It normally only takes me one day to adjust my sleep pattern.

Staying the same all year round would just cause too many complications unless the whole country does it. For me, just leave it as it is with a change twice a year. It normally only takes me one day to adjust my sleep pattern.

why? there are other states that do this without issue. what complications would arise?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/

This is a rather convenient timing for this thread.

Calling it now, we’ll try this for one (1) year, hate it like we did back when we tried the same thing for a year in the 70’s, and then go back to the present system, until another 50 years from now when we’ll probably be convinced to try the same damn thing for a third time because people love having things to complain about.

I think people are more social and more active than they were in the 1970’s. More people go out for runs, walks, or out to eat/drink than they did. More people have energy efficient homes that have air conditioning than back then. I think people would probably be fine with having an extra hour in the evening to do those things.

I wasn’t alive then but I bet the main complain was having to wait for the house to cool down an extra hour. No virtually every home has air conditioning and people go out to eat or do exercise in the evening than before.

I think people are more social and more active than they were in the 1970’s. More people go out for runs, walks, or out to eat/drink than they did. More people have energy efficient homes that have air conditioning than back then. I think people would probably be fine with having an extra hour in the evening to do those things.

I wasn’t alive then but I bet the main complain was having to wait for the house to cool down an extra hour. No virtually every home has air conditioning and people go out to eat or do exercise in the evening than before.

my guess is people will hate the late late sunrises in the winter as they did in the 70's

my guess is people will hate the late late sunrises in the winter as they did in the 70's

Those people are retiring.... They don't mind sleeping in a little now.

I don't understand why DST bothers people so much. Who cares?

I don't understand why DST bothers people so much. Who cares?

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

waste of money?? lol

the statements about the 1974 attempt to go to permanent daylight savings were well documented as having one massive problem, it started with an earlier change in time. January 6th of 74 was the time change to daylight saving, and people went straight into having dark morning, rather than it happening gradually. the statement was made when it was repealed, that the biggest failure of it, was not that people wouldn't grow to like it, but that they implemented it in a way that no one would like it.

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.
Nah, you get that hour back in the fall.

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10620705/Bill-eliminating-changing-clocks-make-Americans-sicker-fatter-depressed-DR-MEETA-SINGH.html)

The weather hasn't changed much where I live since the time change (we got a foot of snow today) and I have already noticed a sharp uptick in people out doing yard work, jogging, etc. -- I am not sure I agree with their assessment that it makes people fatter and more depressed. I went to the park yesterday evening and was unable to find anywhere "safe" to let my small dogs off their leash to get out their zoomies because there were so many people out. Two weeks ago at around the same astronomical time, I was the only person in the entire park.

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

Time: It takes 10 seconds.

Money: WTF?

Move to Arizona

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10620705/Bill-eliminating-changing-clocks-make-Americans-sicker-fatter-depressed-DR-MEETA-SINGH.html)

This might be the dumbest thing I've read in my life and that's saying something considering I read this board a few days a week.

This might be the dumbest thing I've read in my life and that's saying something considering I read this board a few days a week.

Why? Pretty much everything in the article is accepted knowledge by specialists in the field. And these organizations are "dumb"?

The [AASM] statement was endorsed by more than 20 medical, scientific, and civic organizations, including the American College of Chest Physicians, American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, National PTA, National Safety Council, Society for Research on Biological Rhythms, and World Sleep Society.

The reason Arizona doesn’t spring forward is because they want early sunrises and sunsets in the summer, which makes sense given their climate.

States further north than Oklahoma would really struggle with year round standard time.

June civil twilight/sunrise for Standard time:

Denver: 4:02am/4:32am
Seattle: 3:41am/4:11am
Chicago: 3:44am/4:14am
New York City: 3:54am/4:24am

etc.

Civil twilight means it is light enough to perform most tasks outside without any lighted aid. Usually a half-hour before sunrise. Anyone who thinks year round standard time is a good idea is kidding themselves. Maybe they can adjust kids school hours instead of making the entire rest of the country suffer with 4 hours of sunlight before we are even out of the door in the morning.

The reason Arizona doesn’t spring forward is because they want early sunrises and sunsets in the summer, which makes sense given their climate.

Exactly right - I got the historical dissertation on this from a golf pro in Arizona one time. I was out there during the time change and I was confused on the time and mentioned it. He launched into it and how much better it is for them to not change.

Arizona and Hawaii would be allowed to stay on Standard time from what I read on the new bill that was passed in the US Senate.

I don't care personally either way. My wife and I both leave for work at 5:30ish so that commute is in the dark most of the year anyway. And we're inside and on the couch by 8 most every night so being light later is nothing to us. So everyone else can take sides on this one.

Why? Pretty much everything in the article is accepted knowledge by specialists in the field. And these organizations are "dumb"?

The [AASM] statement was endorsed by more than 20 medical, scientific, and civic organizations, including the American College of Chest Physicians, American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, National PTA, National Safety Council, Society for Research on Biological Rhythms, and World Sleep Society.

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10620705/Bill-eliminating-changing-clocks-make-Americans-sicker-fatter-depressed-DR-MEETA-SINGH.html)

Sounds like they need to move to the equator where they get roughly the same amount of sunlight a year. I bet they really hata Alaska. Humans adapt just like they already do during the seasons. Human time will never perfectly sync up with the Earth and Sun.

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

"Yes those organizations are dumb".That right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

Sounds like they need to move to the equator where they get roughly the same amount of sunlight a year. I bet they really hata Alaska. Humans adapt just like they already do during the seasons. Human time will never perfectly sync up with the Earth and Sun.
Hate to tell you, suicides rise greatly in winter in the far north. Even in SSeattle, Portland, Vancouver, etc. Not just Alaska. It’s a real problem.

Hate to tell you, suicides rise greatly in winter in the far north. Even in SSeattle, Portland, Vancouver, etc. Not just Alaska. It’s a real problem.

Seattle disagrees with you

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/suicide-rates-dont-go-up-winter-holidays/281-1d9db61d-47d6-483d-b699-935ef1a97d86

here is john hopkins on the matter

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/suicide-rates-spike-in-spring-not-winter

here is a study just for British Colombia, so Vancouver that says that's wrong

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12635735_The_Effect_of_Season_and_Weather_on_Suici de_Rates_in_the_Elderly_in_British_Columbia

Same in Alaska, Umass found that May actually was the Peak for Alaskan Suicides.

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2133&context=theses

Sorry, i couldn't find a study for Portland specific to season affect on suicide rates. But to your last point that it's a real problem.... no, it really isn't.

Definitely a hot topic:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/daylight-savings-debate-whats-at-stake-163814558.html

I heard something on NPR that made me look up the bill going through Congress. I get lost often reading legalese but I'm pretty sure this bill doesn't make DST permanent. It gives the states more freedom to do that themselves. That's what the NPR piece said and that's the way I read the text of the bill. So we could end up with a mess of x number of states staying as is and x number being DST all the time.

I heard something on NPR that made me look up the bill going through Congress. I get lost often reading legalese but I'm pretty sure this bill doesn't make DST permanent. It gives the states more freedom to do that themselves. That's what the NPR piece said and that's the way I read the text of the bill. So we could end up with a mess of x number of states staying as is and x number being DST all the time.

I can’t claim to have read the actual bill but my understanding was it was mandatory for all but the carve out states:

The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time as well as American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

I can’t claim to have read the actual bill but my understanding was it was mandatory for all but the carve out states:

The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time as well as American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
That's the way I thought it was. But the NPR reporter and I now read it differently. I need to reread it. I might have had a mindset that NPR was right so that's what I read.

Time: It takes 10 seconds.

Money: WTF?

Move to Arizona

You sound mad, Bud.

Out of the top 10 states for suicides the only that aren't northern states are new Mexico and Oklahoma.. That's most likely associated with their poor economics and health

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

This is a way “dumber” post than the one that you said is “dumb.” Considering how time change will effect people’s circadian rhythm and how studies show the effects of time change and sunlight to effect things like depression, exercise, and other factors are exactly the types of things that should be taken into account.

After reading a few articles on the debates this morning, I tend to agree that ending daylight saving and reverting to standard time, not daylight time, makes more sense even if I’d prefer it the otherwise as a night owl.

Out of the top 10 states for suicides the only that aren't northern states are new Mexico and Oklahoma.. That's most likely associated with their poor economics and health

Correct. But the darkness of winter isn't the reason for those northern states. Unless there are long dark periods in may and September that I'm unaware of

You sound mad, Bud.

Not at all, I just have no patience for laziness

Time: It takes 10 seconds.

Money: WTF?

Move to Arizona

The poster you were responding to can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the “time and money” he/she was referring to is not the time it takes to literally change the clocks (especially since most change automatically now) but the time and money lost due to the disruption in sleep schedules, as well as schedules in general, and how that seeps into business and other parts of society (as well as other scheduling issues that result from the time change).

The poster you were responding to can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the “time and money” he/she was referring to is not the time it takes to literally change the clocks (especially since most change automatically now) but the time and money lost due to the disruption in sleep schedules, as well as schedules in general, and how that seeps into business and other parts of society (as well as other scheduling issues that result from the time change).


That may be the case. If so, it further illustrates the laziness. Sleep schedules get messed up because of an hour time change? GTFOH. People are soft

That may be the case. If so, it further illustrates the laziness. Sleep schedules get messed up because of an hour time change? GTFOH. People are soft

There’s science to back it up. But keep railing.

The HoR is not going to pass this the way the Senate did. It was announced today that they will be studying the impact from both sides and taking comments from their constituents.
https://bangordailynews.com/2022/03/21/news/nation/us-house-unlikely-to-vote-for-permanent-daylight-saving-time/

kids in the pitch black dark for school bus pick up is not a great idea ...

That was tried ONE year back in the 1960's. Parents raised HOLY HELL about it. Never did it again.

That was tried ONE year back in the 1960's. Parents raised HOLY HELL about it. Never did it again.

When I was in Junior high in san antonio we waited for the bus in the dark all the time but that was the late 80's

Me and my brother walked to school when I was in first grade and we was in 3rd grade. Crazy how many parents drop off and pick up their kids now.

Yep, I walked about ten blocks to school starting in kindergarten until 4th grade, when I started riding a bus to a school quite a bit further away. Walked, rode my bike or carpooled in the case of bad weather during jr high

But during high school in the 80s for the first month or so each I had to be at the bus stop at about 5:30-5:45 AM because schools had no AC, had shortened days due to heat, and started at 7 AM. Solved that problem when I started driving myself to school in a luxurious ‘68 Ford Falcon my senior year.

That was tried ONE year back in the 1960's. Parents raised HOLY HELL about it. Never did it again.

it was 1974. and it didn't work because it was basically still a time change. so it was clearly noticeable. because they made a time change to DST in janurary. had they just never rolled off of DST that fall, and it had gradually just gotten darker, i don't think the complaints would have been nearly as bad. Then it was rolled back and another DST roll off occurred in the fall. so it was never really given a fair chance.