"Kansas State Representative John Carmichael told FOX23 that while he did not support an incentive package in his state, the legislature passed one in hopes of landing the company.

“We passed a package valued at 1.3 billion dollars. We were told that we had to get that passed before March because the company was going to make its decision before March. We were also told we had to move fast because we wanted to get our proposal passed and signed by the governor before the Oklahoma legislature came back into session,” Carmichael said.

Since then Carmichael says they have been left waiting.

“Then we heard nothing, nothing, nothing,” Carmichael said.



So good news I guess for us. https://www.fox23.com/news/oklahoma-kansas-state-governments-compete-court-mystery-fortune-500-company/4KEKUX6UBBCMHBMCKDBUEWHK2E/

"Kansas State Representative John Carmichael told FOX23 that while he did not support an incentive package in his state, the legislature passed one in hopes of landing the company.

“We passed a package valued at 1.3 billion dollars. We were told that we had to get that passed before March because the company was going to make its decision before March. We were also told we had to move fast because we wanted to get our proposal passed and signed by the governor before the Oklahoma legislature came back into session,” Carmichael said.

Since then Carmichael says they have been left waiting.

“Then we heard nothing, nothing, nothing,” Carmichael said.



So good news I guess for us. https://www.fox23.com/news/oklahoma-kansas-state-governments-compete-court-mystery-fortune-500-company/4KEKUX6UBBCMHBMCKDBUEWHK2E/

I don't know what to make of that. Over a billion dollars is very alluring, especially compared to what the Oklahoma State Legislature has passed and Stitt will sign into law. However, it's odd that they haven't heard anything. However, considering Stitt is going to sign it, he must know something we don't. At least that's my hope!

They probably have to factor in the workforce availability and other factors

I don't know what to make of that. Over a billion dollars is very alluring, especially compared to what the Oklahoma State Legislature has passed and Stitt will sign into law. However, it's odd that they haven't heard anything. However, considering Stitt is going to sign it, he must know something we don't. At least that's my hope!

I have no faith in a administration that can't even provide restaurants in state lodges without controversy. The legislature should have approached this with extreme caution.

...The legislature should have approached this with extreme caution.

Some Reps did, mine included (from NonDoc):

Rep. Collin Walke (D-OKC) suggested that lawmakers’ constituents may find the price tag of the new incentive program to be unpalatable.

“How am I supposed to go back to my constituents and say, ‘I gave away three-quarters of a billion dollars to a company that I don’t even know their name?’ Is that responsible?”

Some Reps did, mine included (from NonDoc):

Rep. Collin Walke (D-OKC) suggested that lawmakers’ constituents may find the price tag of the new incentive program to be unpalatable.

“How am I supposed to go back to my constituents and say, ‘I gave away three-quarters of a billion dollars to a company that I don’t even know their name?’ Is that responsible?”

they didn't they approved a framework that can be used more then once ..

So not just one but multiple companies we don't know the name of. That doesn't really refute his concern or need for caution.

I'm always leery of these sort of massive giveaways to billion dollar companies, especially given Wisconsin's experience with FoxConn (https://www.theverge.com/23030465/foxconn-lcd-factory-wisconsin-alan-yeung-trump-scott-walker-wisconn-valley-dome-decoder-interview)

No the intent of this package is just one company that is more than likely Panasonic. I don’t understand the issue with the name. Many times on this website Pete has said he has intel on certain projects but isn’t at Liberty to throw a name out there.

The bills passed by the legislature will generate the hundreds of millions for Panasonic and later on when another opportunity presents itself it can be used again. Oklahoma is just a state that loves to piss and whine about what these other states have and why we can’t have it here but when it comes time to do what is needed all the sudden it’s too expensive. Yet, Kansas, was more than willing to give more than 1 billion. If that doesn’t tell you how big this thing and if a state like Kansas can do it but Oklahoma can’t, I’ve lost hope with this place.

...they approved a framework that can be used more then once ..

I spoke with my rep this morning...he told me about the framework that has been setup for future use. He also said he was feeling good about Oklahoma getting this company...but he added anything could still happen.

No the intent of this package is just one company that is more than likely Panasonic. I don’t understand the issue with the name. Many times on this website Pete has said he has intel on certain projects but isn’t at Liberty to throw a name out there.

The bills passed by the legislature will generate the hundreds of millions for Panasonic and later on when another opportunity presents itself it can be used again. Oklahoma is just a state that loves to piss and whine about what these other states have and why we can’t have it here but when it comes time to do what is needed all the sudden it’s too expensive. Yet, Kansas, was more than willing to give more than 1 billion. If that doesn’t tell you how big this thing and if a state like Kansas can do it but Oklahoma can’t, I’ve lost hope with this place.

What in the world are you talking about? You acknowledge the bill passed the legislature. It's going to be signed by the governor. So it's happening! Then you immediately whine about how, for the state, "when it comes time to do what is needed all of a sudden it's too expensive." Huh?! What is the state not doing in this instance that you want it to do?

What in the world are you talking about? You acknowledge the bill passed the legislature. It's going to be signed by the governor. So it's happening! Then you immediately whine about how, for the state, "when it comes time to do what is needed all of a sudden it's too expensive." Huh?! What is the state not doing in this instance that you want it to do?
I’m not whining at all. I’m point out how all of those who are whining about this and how Oklahoma has been. I’m well aware of where the bill stands and I’m very happy to see this. Hopefully this leads to Oklahoma getting more major relocations in the future and can actually become a real competitive state. This is a great thing for Oklahoma if we get it. Keep in mind Kansas offered much more.

What in the world are you talking about? You acknowledge the bill passed the legislature. It's going to be signed by the governor. So it's happening! Then you immediately whine about how, for the state, "when it comes time to do what is needed all of a sudden it's too expensive." Huh?! What is the state not doing in this instance that you want it to do?

I think all judgment should be reserved until a decision is made (and who knows if we'll ever get the reasoning or details). It is interesting that the legislature's incentives are hundreds of millions of dollars less than those offered by Kansas, and from what I understand wasn't exactly what the Governor requested even though the additional safety rails in the bill are probably wise. I have to assume, or hope, given how late in the game we are that they knew what Panasonic was after and they crafted the offer as such vs. lowballing them by that much. There's probably more to it than simply the incentive total dollar amount. While my understanding is also that said bill could be technically applied to any company, there's no denying that there were very specific dollar amounts in there for a reason. Plenty of legislators spoke out against the bill for reasons of IMO varying validity, but they still passed by overwhelming majorities in both chambers.

I’m not whining at all. I’m point out how all of those who are whining about this and how Oklahoma has been. I’m well aware of where the bill stands and I’m very happy to see this. Hopefully this leads to Oklahoma getting more major relocations in the future and can actually become a real competitive state. This is a great thing for Oklahoma if we get it. Keep in mind Kansas offered much more.

No Kansas did not offer much more. Oklahoma has a second local piece in the TIFF that Kansas does not.

No Kansas did not offer much more. Oklahoma has a second local piece in the TIFF that Kansas does not.
Where are you seeing that? All I saw was 730 million vs. the Kansas 1.2 billion dollar offer.

No the intent of this package is just one company that is more than likely Panasonic. I don’t understand the issue with the name. Many times on this website Pete has said he has intel on certain projects but isn’t at Liberty to throw a name out there.

The bills passed by the legislature will generate the hundreds of millions for Panasonic and later on when another opportunity presents itself it can be used again. Oklahoma is just a state that loves to piss and whine about what these other states have and why we can’t have it here but when it comes time to do what is needed all the sudden it’s too expensive. Yet, Kansas, was more than willing to give more than 1 billion. If that doesn’t tell you how big this thing and if a state like Kansas can do it but Oklahoma can’t, I’ve lost hope with this place.
I was surprised by the female representative’s quote that she was against the bill because “her constituents don’t want Oklahoma to change.” I’m trying to find the article where I read it, but some representatives in this state truly don’t want us competing or advancing. Luckily, at least while this is the way it is, the majority supported this.

There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.

There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.

Panasonic is one of the top companies globally. They are a sure thing. Canoo is iffy, but this would be a very sure thing.

Where are you seeing that? All I saw was 730 million vs. the Kansas 1.2 billion dollar offer.

https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/mayes-county-tif-a-must-for-company-to-choose-to-spend-6-billion-for-oklahoma/article_0974c948-bf2c-11ec-8907-73679ccfe36b.html

https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/mayes-county-tif-a-must-for-company-to-choose-to-spend-6-billion-for-oklahoma/article_0974c948-bf2c-11ec-8907-73679ccfe36b.html
I’m not seeing where you said Oklahoma is offering more than the 700 million dollar figure.

It’s actually 613 million dollars and I thought Canoo already received money?

https://www.news9.com/story/6262a9059db96d072aa3c0cb/gov-stitt-expected-to-sign-lead-act-into-law

I’m not seeing where you said Oklahoma is offering more than the 700 million dollar figure.

That article is about a $300 million TIF district which is presumably on top of the $700 million from the state.

I was surprised by the female representative’s quote that she was against the bill because “her constituents don’t want Oklahoma to change.” I’m trying to find the article where I read it, but some representatives in this state truly don’t want us competing or advancing. Luckily, at least while this is the way it is, the majority supported this.

Right. Many Oklahomans in rural counties don’t want Oklahoma to change but the majority of urban Oklahomans don't want to be held back as the world moves on in the 21st century. Oklahoma has changed a lot for the better since 2016 without much help from rural Oklahomans.

Have they figured out how to shorten the half life of the radioactive spent fuel?
Finland might have this figured out. Interesting article.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finland-nuclear-power-radioactive-waste-storage_n_626050d5e4b09c32edf7be5a

Finland might have this figured out. Interesting article.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finland-nuclear-power-radioactive-waste-storage_n_626050d5e4b09c32edf7be5a

No, they think they have designed a better storage system, but there is no way to reduce the half life of radioactive material of which there are 250k tons currently stored around the world and will be a threat for hundreds of thousands of years.

The $698 million would be paid for up front out of state savings of about $2 billion, Thompson said.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/incentive-package-could-affect-tax-cuts-in-oklahoma/article_408c12ec-c25b-11ec-98be-ef75cafc4293.html?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=buffer#tracking-source=home-top-story

No, they think they have designed a better storage system, but there is no way to reduce the half life of radioactive material of which there are 250k tons currently stored around the world and will be a threat for hundreds of thousands of years.

It can fit on 2 football fields. It's also in-cased in glass and concrete.

Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.

It can fit on 2 football fields. It's also in-cased in glass and concrete.

Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.
Yep.

It can fit on 2 football fields.

True, but..

"In fact, the U.S. nuclear industry has produced roughly 64,000 metric tons (one metric ton equals 1.1 U.S. tons) of radioactive used fuel rods in total or, in the words of NEI, enough "to cover a football field about seven yards deep (edit. It is now 10 yards deep)." (Of course, actually concentrating rods this way would set off a nuclear chain reaction.)"


Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.

That would be news to the scientific community. You should enlighten them with your knowledge.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nuclear-waste-lethal-trash-or-renewable-energy-source/

I know this article is 13 years old, but no solutions that are fool proof for storing spent nuclear fuel for 250,000 yrs have been found since it was written.

"A 98-foot-wide, two-mile-long ditch with steep walls 33 feet deep that bristles with magnets and radar reflectors will stand for millennia as a warning to future humans not to trifle with what is hidden inside the Waste Isolation Pilot Project (WIPP) outside Carlsbad, N.M. Paired with 48 stone or concrete 105-ton markers, etched with warnings in seven languages ranging from English to Navajo as well as human faces contorted into expressions of horror, the massive installation is meant to stand for at least 10,000 years—twice as long as the Egyptian pyramids have survived.
But the plutonium ensconced in the salt mine at the center of this installation will be lethal to humans for at least 25 times that long—even once the salt walls ooze inward to entomb the legacy of American atomic weapons. And WIPP will only hold a fraction, though a more deadly fraction, of the amount of nuclear waste the U.S. plans to store at Yucca Mountain in Nevada or some other site designated to replace it as a permanent repository for the residue of nuclear reactions."

True, but..

"In fact, the U.S. nuclear industry has produced roughly 64,000 metric tons (one metric ton equals 1.1 U.S. tons) of radioactive used fuel rods in total or, in the words of NEI, enough "to cover a football field about seven yards deep (edit. It is now 10 yards deep)." (Of course, actually concentrating rods this way would set off a nuclear chain reaction.)"



That would be news to the scientific community. You should enlighten them with your knowledge.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nuclear-waste-lethal-trash-or-renewable-energy-source/

I know this article is 13 years old, but no solutions that are fool proof for storing spent nuclear fuel for 250,000 yrs have been found since it was written.

"A 98-foot-wide, two-mile-long ditch with steep walls 33 feet deep that bristles with magnets and radar reflectors will stand for millennia as a warning to future humans not to trifle with what is hidden inside the Waste Isolation Pilot Project (WIPP) outside Carlsbad, N.M. Paired with 48 stone or concrete 105-ton markers, etched with warnings in seven languages ranging from English to Navajo as well as human faces contorted into expressions of horror, the massive installation is meant to stand for at least 10,000 years—twice as long as the Egyptian pyramids have survived.
But the plutonium ensconced in the salt mine at the center of this installation will be lethal to humans for at least 25 times that long—even once the salt walls ooze inward to entomb the legacy of American atomic weapons. And WIPP will only hold a fraction, though a more deadly fraction, of the amount of nuclear waste the U.S. plans to store at Yucca Mountain in Nevada or some other site designated to replace it as a permanent repository for the residue of nuclear reactions."

The scientific community is largely unconcerned with nuclear waste. They know how to store it safely and effectively. Perhaps your confusing scientific fact with political activism? The point isn't that we should store it on 2 football fields. The point is there is a tiny tiny amount of nuclear waste, the space it takes up is minimal, and there's never been a serious radiation leak or issue.. Compare that to the environmental costs to a landfill.

Yeah tons of humans are going to stumble upon WIPP.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/WORK+COMMUTE+-+WIPP/@32.4458559,-103.8223684,43474m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830e5cae55ca943:0xa1502 2872190c36f!8m2!3d32.3726158!4d-103.7932281

Yep those inert obsidian cubes are super dangerous and easily accessible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kOy0wdDjM&t=3s

The scientific community is largely unconcerned with nuclear waste. They know how to store it safely and effectively. Perhaps your confusing scientific fact with political activism?

Perhaps you are confusing your opinion for fact.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nuclear-environment/storage-of-nuclear-waste-poses-threat-to-u-s-scientists-warn-idUSKBN18M2OP

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission greatly underestimated the risk and potential contamination of a nuclear waste fire triggered by a quake or a planned attack, experts writing in the journal “Science” said.

In 2014, the NRC found the chance of a disaster caused by leaving radioactive waste in storage pools was too remote to warrant the cost of moving it to safer dry casks.

An earthquake that could trigger a radiation leak was likely less than once every 10 million years, hardly justifying the cost of about $50 million per reactor to transfer spent fuel, the NRC said in that report.

An accident at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant in 2011 was triggered by a tsunami after an earthquake.

“We think the NRC gamed their analysis essentially to get the answer they want,” said Edwin Lyman, a senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists and one of the authors of the article in “Science,” a magazine published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

The collapse of a decommissioned tunnel at a plutonium-handling facility in Hanford, Washington, this month was a reminder of the potential risk of storing radioactive material.

The point is there is a tiny tiny amount of nuclear waste, the space it takes up is minimal, and there's never been a serious radiation leak or issue.

80 years down 249,920 to go. What could go wrong?

If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

There’s article after article showing the benefits of nuclear power and off setting the fear mongering https://world-nuclear.org/nuclear-essentials/what-is-nuclear-waste-and-what-do-we-do-with-it.aspx

Amazing how much money has been spent on that WIPP program/facility. It almost would have been cheaper to just launch it all into space on a collision course with the sun. I am kidding. We have put enough junk in space.

If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.

We should all hope the fact scientists are getting very close to nuclear fusion power generation will make the new power issue irrelevant.

But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.

Don't forget the child slave labor for rare earth mining.

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/status/1530195314690465794



In a wild statement from 10 #okleg Republicans that will detract from important budget/veto happenings, Rep. Jim Olsen et al say they don't want #Panasonic to select #Oklahoma because "they have called for advocacy and activism specifically in support of the LGBTQ+ community."

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/status/1530195314690465794

We really do send some insane people to represent us. They better be prepared to leave Oklahoma behind in economic opportunities if they want to keep out any company they consider woke or exercises ESG, which probably covers a large majority of Fortune 100 companies.

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/status/1530195314690465794

They NEVER said they don't want Panasonic to come to Oklahoma. All they said was that the company has, in the past, gone against views most Oklahomans have (not me or you, but most in this state do have) and they hope they won't be super active in promoting said views. But they never said they don't want them in the state, in any way, whatsoever. It is so frustrating how annoying some of these click-bait posts can be. They have already passed the tax incentives, and are just tying to get re-elected. Panasonic won't give a single crap about this.

Granted, it is stupid of them to put this out. But it neither bashes Panasonic nor tells them to stay away.

Exactly, the hope is that by attracting these types of companies we'll have more left-leaning citizens that vote out these idiots.
From your lips to God’s ears. These morons never cease to amaze.

We should all hope the fact scientists are getting very close to nuclear fusion power generation will make the new power issue irrelevant.

do you mean cold fusion?

do you mean cold fusion?

They are not the same thing exactly. Cold fusion would, hypothetically, take place at room temperature while the nuclear fusion processes that is being accomplished now is done at millions of degrees.

We really do send some insane people to represent us. They better be prepared to leave Oklahoma behind in economic opportunities if they want to keep out any company they consider woke or exercises ESG, which probably covers a large majority of Fortune 100 companies.

If enough sane as well as smart people are willing to run for state office and then enough sane people willing to vote for them, it would sure help Oklahoma to advance. Some of the insane ones in office at the state capitol next year want to ban sales of birth control to women unless they can prove they are married. Then there is this article that had better be taken seriously:

Investment group warns that Oklahoma abortion laws could hurt business recruitment and economic development. However, Oklahoma lawmakers shrug off such concerns, saying that if there’s an economic price to pay for protecting unborn life, Oklahomans are willing to pay it.
https://www.enidnews.com/oklahoma/investment-group-warns-that-state-abortion-laws-could-hurt-business-growth/article_32edbc70-45fb-56b3-99f2-6ad21c727151.html

So, if Oklahoma loses the Panasonic plant, then the above likely explains why.

Contrary to what Gov. Stitt thinks, the majority of Oklahomans want abortion well regulated, not banned and out of control as a result.

They NEVER said they don't want Panasonic to come to Oklahoma. All they said was that the company has, in the past, gone against views most Oklahomans have (not me or you, but most in this state do have) and they hope they won't be super active in promoting said views.

65% of Oklahomans support gay marriage (https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9). It’s important to remember that the legislature is more conservative and bigoted than the state as a whole. Unfortunately, many Oklahomans assume these legislators actually represent the state, which has fostered a learned helplessness that the state can’t support LGBTQ+ rights.

65% of Oklahomans support gay marriage (https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9). It’s important to remember that the legislature is more conservative and bigoted than the state as a whole. Unfortunately, many Oklahomans assume these legislators actually represent the state, which has fostered a learned helplessness that the state can’t support LGBTQ+ rights.
But our politicians ARE the face of the state. They have learned very well how to control without representing the majority. They are good at that and propagandizing.

But our politicians ARE the face of the state. They have learned very well how to control without representing the majority. They are good at that and propagandizing.

Yes, that is absolutely true, but you may have missed the reason for my comment. The poster stated that the majority of Oklahomans (not their reps) opposed LGBTQ rights. There is no question that Oklahoma does far too little to support the LGBTQ+ community, but it can result in a learned helplessness when attribute the homophobia and transphobia of the legislature to all Oklahomans. I think Oklahomans are at least a little bit better than the state "reps." It erases queer Oklahomans and all those people who support them. That was my only point.

Is this the Panasonic plant?

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-kevin-stitt-investment-company/40239994

No, the Panasonic investment is close to $1 Billion

The Kansas governor is apparently "very confident" they'll land the Panasonic plant.

Oklahoma is offering less than Kansas in incentives AND has legislators saying they aren’t interested in the “woke nonsense” that company would bring. I’d probably choose Kansas too.

its for RareEarth, will be in Stillwater. Good for Oklahoma, but seems like Governor Stitt is a proponent of bringing more business to Tulsa, OSU, and Stillwater.

Oklahoma is offering less than Kansas in incentives AND has legislators saying they aren’t interested in the “woke nonsense” that company would bring. I’d probably choose Kansas too.
Pretty damn disgusting IMO.

its for RareEarth, will be in Stillwater. Good for Oklahoma, but seems like Governor Stitt is a proponent of bringing more business to Tulsa, OSU, and Stillwater.

He is a Tulsa business man isn't he?

Also, Kansas has more people with Bachelor's Degree (33%) versus Oklahoma (26.1%). The information can be found on Google. To me this says Kansas values education more than Oklahoma. Plus, the sad part is Oklahoma has about 1 million more in population. Just my opinion, but my perception is Kansas values education more than Oklahoma and it shows Kansas has more ambition and drive with much less population. Still hoping Oklahoma wins on this economic front. It remains to be seen??

If Oklahoma loses the Panasonic plant, it will be because Panasonic has decided it can get more money in incentives from Kansas. Further, with the Canoo deal looking increasingly tenuous, that might have changed Panasonic’s calculus on being near potential EV partners. We will not lose Panasonic because we have fewer college graduates than Kansas. Additionally, if you don’t think Kansas has crazy legislators who say the exact same crap the OK legislators cited above say, you aren’t paying attention. We aren’t going to lose because a no name, irrelevant legislator (or six) say something stupid.

^With such a large population difference, I don't think you can infer as much with those percentages. Plus you have to think about how much of OK's pop is rural vs. Kansas. Barely anyone lives in rural Kansas but OK still has a lot.

We've certainly given them plenty of reasons not to come here, but we do have the population, education base, and transport facilities to make the plant work. Kansas government can be pretty bone headed and far right too. The decision will come down to some sort of internal measurement of the value of the respective incentive plans + site infrastructure.

Also, Kansas has more people with Bachelor's Degree (33%) versus Oklahoma (26.1%). The information can be found on Google. To me this says Kansas values education more than Oklahoma. Plus, the sad part is Oklahoma has about 1 million more in population. Just my opinion, but my perception is Kansas values education more than Oklahoma and it shows Kansas has more ambition and drive with much less population. Still hoping Oklahoma wins on this economic front. It remains to be seen??

your post means that Oklahoma has more college grads then Kansas ...

your post means that Oklahoma has more college grads then Kansas ...

Not sure what you’re reading in his post, but it clearly indicates Kansas has more college graduates THAN Oklahoma, which, by the way, happens to be true.

Also, Kansas has more people with Bachelor's Degree (33%) versus Oklahoma (26.1%). The information can be found on Google. To me this says Kansas values education more than Oklahoma. Plus, the sad part is Oklahoma has about 1 million more in population. Just my opinion, but my perception is Kansas values education more than Oklahoma and it shows Kansas has more ambition and drive with much less population. Still hoping Oklahoma wins on this economic front. It remains to be seen??

goodness gracious what world do you live in. i mean holy sh*t that's a galaxy brain objectively false take.